Could Phoebe and Cole have Lasted?

[whitelightertony]

Apparently, no one else thinks it's necessary to call Ljones on her rude mistreatment of Vandergraafk, Pubesy, and myself (and occasionally other people)...either they're afraid of her for some reason, or they're afraid it will make them look "mean"...or, as I suspect, they agree with many of her points, and for that reason they are reluctant to "chase her away" from the board...

Don't ask me to explain that mindset. Ljones is clearly employing bully tactics...anytime she can't argue her way out of the narrow corner she's boxed herself into, she resorts to a pathetic attempt to put other people on the defensive through contrived logic (oh, and name-calling, of course) - - usually some variation of her accusing other people of telling her she can't have an opinion...when, in RealityLand, no one ever actually told her she couldn't.

Extenuating circumstances, my behind. I don't buy this. As far as I'm concerned, all sentient beings - are basically ambiguous.

Universal ambiguity, my behind. Nothing in the Charmedverse has shown us that all creatures of Good and Evil have a equal propensity for eschewing their upbringing and adopting a diametrically opposed code of morality. Certain characters have strayed from their moral upbringing to different degrees...but this so-called 50/50 theory of yours is something you're seeing only because you want to.

Perhaps one day, human beings will stop pretending that they are basically inclinded toward good and accept that they can go either way or remain gray. But I doubt it. We've been feeding on illusions about ourselves for centuries and they are reflected in shows with poor writing like CHARMED.

I'm sorry, but who are all of these whitelighters and demons and cupids whom you're acquainted with in real-life, whom you're using to back up your assertions (including your randomly-conceived 50/50 theory)?

I have to agree with Pubesy here...Charmed is using fictitious (as far as we know) characters as an allegorical device to comment on the choices that human beings can make in the real world. When various characters make mistakes or choices that go against their nature, the writers are basically telling us to self-reflect on our own decision-making.

[Astral Echo]

I'm sorry Tony I didn't realise there was any bullyment invovled - I'll be sure to bring it up with Jackie the next time I speak to her. However pubsey you acted in a similar fashion and there is no need for it, conformation is the answer to every situation, you should of personal messaged AW and not retailated - it simply makes you look bad.

I haven't seen this bullyment so if someone would kindly point out a few examples and send the links to me through PM I'll pass them onto AW.

[whitelightertony]

I'm sorry Tony I didn't realise there was any bullyment invovled - I'll be sure to bring it up with Jackie the next time I speak to her.

I'm not trying to get Ljones in trouble with Jackie.

I'm trying to get people to stop making excuses for Ljones when she acts in an uncivil and disrespectful manner.

[whitelightertony]

But Vengeance, in case you want specific examples, here are some:

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“Judging the Charmed Ones: Crimes & Witchdemeanors” – Pg. 5

I see that you guys are STILL trying to insult my character. So now, I guess I'm going to have to lower myself to your level. How f*cking immature. And pathetic. And puseby . . . I see that you've joined in with the insults. You're just as pathetic as they are.

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“Was Cole Evil?” – Pg. 11

Puseby and whitelightertony . . . f*ck you, you narrow-minded little sh*ts!

You f*cking liar. I never said sh*t about the Charmed Ones having a destiny to protect innocents. I couldn't give a rat's a*s about them protecting innocents by killing demons. All I had pointed out is why they couldn't see that Cole needed emotional help in S5. They noticed that Piper did in early S4. They noticed that Prue did in S3. What the f*ck?

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“Personal Gain” – Pg. 4

I know what it is, you stupid b*tch! I also know that fantasy or not, it should at least contain good writing. Which CHARMED didn't.


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[pubesy]

i agree with whitelighter tony. i dont want ljones banned from the site. ljones is entitled to her opinions, and is welcome to share them.

my issue with ljones is that she cannot form a logical arguement, or explain her point of veiw without resorting to name calling, person insults, and bully tactics. not just to me, WLtony, and vandergraafk, but also about Kern, writers, storylines, and anything else she does not like.

this has been going on since i joined 4 months ago. and by the look of other threads before i joined, years before too.

we have all tried to tell ljones this many times in a professional and civil mannor. the message does not get through.

and yes, i will agree, i myself have not been completely innocent either. but when someone is calling you a "bitch" or a "f**k**g liar" i think it is fair to defend yourself.

but let me just make myself clear. i dont want ljones banned or anything similar.

(and i stand by my statement made. if all she wants to do is insult us, charmed's fans, the writers, the story lines, the characters and everything else, THEN call people insults and accuse them of being narrow minded when the refuse to agree with her points of view, then why is she here? this is a fan site!)

[whitelightertony]

Pubesy, but the difference is that you haven't used obscenities at anyone, even if they make you angry.

[Astral Echo]

Well if you don't want her banned or punished for her behaviour then there is nothing an admin or moderator can do. Sorry.

I will however still pass the above on to Jackie and she can deal with her how she thinks best fits.

[whitelightertony]

As I said before, I'm not trying to get the moderator or administrator to take action against Ljones.

I want certain people on here (they know who they are) to quit making excuses for her behavior.

[ljones]

We also know she was born in the Manor, making her more easily swayed to evil than the other sisters. (That's probably why she was drawn to Cole so much in the first place.)

Congratulations, puseby. You just proven that you're also inclined to make an opinion, while insulting the person who disagrees with you. Not only that, you've just proven that you can be incredibly hypocritical.

You're very good at pointing out my flaws, but apparently you're blind in noticing yours. You, whitelightertony and vandergraaftk are all equally proficient in this area.

You want to chide or criticize me for my behavior? Why don't you clean up your own mess - namely your character . . . FIRST.

[pubesy]

what on earth are you talking about?

you posted a quote which bears NO logical sense, and the continue to insult me STRAIGHT AFTER a whole heap of posts outlining your bullying behaviour.

did you notice that you were going to receive a warning or a ban until whitelighter tony and i told them not to?

so why are you insulting me?

[whitelightertony]

You're very good at pointing out my flaws, but apparently you're blind in noticing yours. You, whitelightertony and vandergraaftk are all equally proficient in this area.

What exactly are my flaws that you have such a problem with?

[pubesy]

oh, tony,
[glow=red,2,300]YOU'RE FLAWLESS BABY![/glow]

[jate88]

Crush Crush Crush ;D

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8hPkyJ0bU

[pubesy]

haha, i don't think so! ;D

just good friends!

Flawless friends

[ljones]

Apr 26, 2008 2:07:37 GMT -5 pubesy said:

what on earth are you talking about?

you posted a quote which bears NO logical sense, and the continue to insult me STRAIGHT AFTER a whole heap of posts outlining your bullying behaviour.

did you notice that you were going to receive a warning or a ban until whitelighter tony and i told them not to?

so why are you insulting me?

For the same reason you harass me . . . I dislike you.

[pubesy]

i'm glad you got that out in the open! at least you were honest. but you are wrong...

i dont dislike you. i don't even know you! it is hard to dislike someone you do not know.

[jate88]

I wanna play peacemaker but I have a feeling that would end very badly

[misskitty66]

no matter how hard phoebe and cole tried they always seemed to be doomed. cole couldnt let go of his demonic side and phoebe couldnt let go of her wiccan ways. i dont know that it had anything to do with maturity. on either part. cole was proably her greatest love as far as we saw. and truly he did alot for her even when she gave up on him. he saved her over and over again. if that is not true love i dont know what is. cole was a passionate charater. and phoebe could be as passionate. after all they did seem to give her the gift for love. but when it's over it's over. any one have an x you just cant let go of? i did. and they are your x for a reason. and honestly it is too bad they couldnt last.

[pubesy]

but when it's over it's over. any one have an x you just cant let go of? i did. and they are your x for a reason.

i couldn't agree more. and sometimes you just have to accept that the relationship is over. even if you don't want to.

i always saw phoebe and cole as star cross'd lovers. and now that phoebe will spend her life with coop, is cole nothing more than a flash in the pan?

[ljones]

no matter how hard phoebe and cole tried they always seemed to be doomed. cole couldnt let go of his demonic side and phoebe couldnt let go of her wiccan ways.

If the show had not been so set on portraying anything demonic as one-dimensionally evil instead of morally ambiguous, this would not have been so bad.

The Halliwells could have finally learned to develop a more mature outlook on morality. Phoebe could have learned to accept Cole as half-human, half-demon. And Cole could have developed into someone who has learned to balance both sides of his nature. Now that I think of it, the Halliwells could have also learned this lesson.