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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 9, 2007 16:16:27 GMT -5
So I was pondering towards the end of Cole's character mostly in the end of season four since its the only season I own and thus know it best; Could Phoebe and Cole have worked it out?
I think there was a small chance. Their love I believe was the strongest of all Phoebe's loves. Demonic blood and instincts are not easy to overcome. Perhaps they could have tried again to strip him of his demonic side. He did not want to be evil it was just the source's strong soul speaking. Previous he had strongly refused the role of the source when it was offered to him before he was stripped of Belthazor in "Black as Cole". And even when the Source did manage to control him his love for Phoebe was the only thing that allowed him to keep the source at bay when he needed to. He even demanded that his demon minions keep their claws off of Phoebe. He even made himself stand Paige(who he despised) for the sake of making sure that Phoebe did not lose another sister.
Because he was half human part of his heart had the ability of human feelings and thus even as the source his love for her remained. And Human feelings can be defeated but only after a painful fight. Even after he was dead for good he cared about her future and did not want to see her end up alone because of him and thus sent Drake to stop her from giving up on love. Even being vanquished at her hand did not vanquish his love. That's the definition of true love.
I have not seen her with Coop because as I have not seen season eight but I know from the trivia that he is the real true love whose' name begins with C as stated in a fortune Phoebe received. And they had kids together so obviously its a great love but Cole was the most serious he was a regular cast member even for what three seasons(seems like longer). So he is definitely a cherished love even pending that Phoebe ended up hating his guts by his final vanquish in "Centennial Charmed". He did make me mad forcing Phoebe to choose between him and her sisters because thats a cruel thing for a lover to do despite that its oblivious his love for her was true and that he grew to hate Piper and Paige. But no one can top his love even Coop despite that he turned to be Phoebe's forever. Even though I don't know him and he was the father of her children; I doubt his love could top Cole's.
I think they could have tried again to strip his demonic side perhaps.
I don't know. What do you think? Is there a way it could have survived?
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Nov 9, 2007 16:36:15 GMT -5
Phoebe was far too immature to even try and make a go of it with Cole. She could never accept what happened to him, and Cole was far to pig-headed to give her the space she needed. So no they could not have lasted. Not with these quliaties
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 10, 2007 4:39:09 GMT -5
Agreed with DrewsGal, on both points.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Nov 10, 2007 18:10:54 GMT -5
And i still don't think Phoebe is mature enough to handle a adult relationship. Cole seemed to have changed alot when we saw him in Seven year Witch.
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Post by ljones on Nov 11, 2007 22:41:29 GMT -5
I doubt that Cole giving Phoebe space in Season 5 would have helped their relationship. Then again . . . who knows?
In fact, I don't think that any of us really knows what would have happened to Phoebe and Cole if they had stayed together. Many would either like to think that they would have had a happy ending, because of their "great love". Others want to believe that it would have always been doomed, because Cole was a half-demon.
But I'm going to be honest. I have no idea what would have happened to them. When Piper and Leo got married, I never realized that they would end up separating for as long as they did, within two years or so.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 12, 2007 0:20:22 GMT -5
I doubt that Cole giving Phoebe space in Season 5 would have helped their relationship. Then again . . . who knows? In fact, I don't think that any of us really knows what would have happened to Phoebe and Cole if they had stayed together. Many would either like to think that they would have had a happy ending, because of their "great love". Others want to believe that it would have always been doomed, because Cole was a half-demon. But I'm going to be honest. I have no idea what would have happened to them. When Piper and Leo got married, I never realized that they would end up separating for as long as they did, within two years or so. Yeah I must say that when Cole went demon again I had a feeling poor Phoebe would have her heart sliced in two when she discovered it. Plus he became kind of a jerk because he made her choose between him and her sisters which is unfair for any boyfriend to do demonic, witch or mortal. I would never be with a guy who did that to me. Although he was indirect about it because of course Phoebe had no idea he was getting steamed with Piper and more so Paige. I guess this thread was pointless, sorry  |
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Post by ljones on Nov 12, 2007 0:42:17 GMT -5
Leo was also complaining about Piper's close relationship with Prue and Phoebe in late Season 2, after they had reunited.
I don't see how Cole being a demon again would break Phoebe's heart. That tells me that she is only capable of judging other for "what" they are . . . instead of "who" they are. And if Phoebe couldn't look past Cole being half-demon, then she had lacked the maturity to be involved in the first place.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 12, 2007 1:08:37 GMT -5
colehellsangel, I don't think your thread is "pointless"...it's intriguing to speculate what could have happened, had events transpired differently.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 12, 2007 1:26:47 GMT -5
Leo was also complaining about Piper's close relationship with Prue and Phoebe in late Season 2, after they had reunited. I don't see how Cole being a demon again would break Phoebe's heart. That tells me that she is only capable of judging other for "what" they are . . . instead of "who" they are. And if Phoebe couldn't look past Cole being half-demon, then she had lacked the maturity to be involved in the first place. That's true its super important to accept someone for who they are inside. Although you truely can't blame Phoebe all that much I mean he was the king of evil literally and he very nearly killed Paige in Bite Me. After he vanquished the queen he got a fireball ready for a knocked out Paige right before he heard the girls and Leo approaching and left. So that is an issue but it Phoebe still could have helped him turn good again had she just accepted the circumstances. As for your mention of Leo, I have not seen the Prue seasons for ages thanks to my doesn't-know-the-meaning-of-the-word-ASK mother. So I don't remember and thus have nothing to say to that. Thanx you for the kind words, Tony. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 12, 2007 2:58:01 GMT -5
colehellsangel, I don't think your thread is "pointless"...it's intriguing to speculate what could have happened, had events transpired differently. Exactly who had called colehellsangel's post, "pointless" whitelightertony? |
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 12, 2007 3:22:16 GMT -5
colehellsangel, I don't think your thread is "pointless"...it's intriguing to speculate what could have happened, had events transpired differently. Exactly who had called colehellsangel's post, "pointless" whitelightertony? lol, that had been me. hehe ;D |
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Post by ljones on Nov 12, 2007 3:29:10 GMT -5
Exactly who had called colehellsangel's post, "pointless" whitelightertony? lol, that had been me. hehe ;D I understand. My mistake. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 12, 2007 13:58:09 GMT -5
lol, that had been me. hehe ;D I understand. My mistake. What mistake you were only asking a question, there is nothing wrong with that.  |
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Post by ljones on Nov 13, 2007 2:01:45 GMT -5
"The king of evil" ? That was the Source in possession of Cole's body, who had committed those acts. Have you forgotten? When Phoebe was possessed by the Woogeyman, she tried to kill Piper and Prue. When Piper was a Fury, she tried to kill Paige. Phoebe tried to kill Paige when she Barbas used a spell to bring out her fears. Paige tried to rip out the heart of a man she thought was a child abuser, when the Source used a spell to bring out her own inner darkness. Remember? Half-demon or not, I simply find it difficult to view Cole as more evil as the Halliwells. They have committed acts that I have found just as heinous as Cole's own darker acts. Apparently, one does not have to be demonic to be a monster.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 13, 2007 3:18:58 GMT -5
"The king of evil"? That was the Source in possession of Cole's body, who had committed those acts. Have you forgotten? When Phoebe was possessed by the Woogeyman, she tried to kill Piper and Prue. When Piper was a Fury, she tried to kill Paige. Phoebe tried to kill Paige when she Barbas used a spell to bring out her fears. Paige tried to rip out the heart of a man she thought was a child abuser, when the Source used a spell to bring out her own inner darkness. Remember? Half-demon or not, I simply find it difficult to view Cole as more evil as the Halliwells. They have committed acts that I have found just as heinous as Cole's own darker acts. Apparently, one does not have to be demonic to be a monster. Quote from my original post: I was not thinking when I said that in the other post. I still believe as I stated in my original post that they could have tried to strip the source from him instead of vanquish all of him. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 13, 2007 11:07:57 GMT -5
Again, my apologies and my mistake. And I agree with you that the writers could have allowed the sisters to learn the truth about Cole and exorcise the Source's spirit from his body.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 13, 2007 14:51:36 GMT -5
They totally could have done it they already had defeated the source once in his full form and they also stripped Cole of Belthazor.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 17, 2007 23:26:54 GMT -5
Definitely one of the writers' biggest mistakes.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 18, 2007 17:17:31 GMT -5
Well if its true that Julian's departure was not anticipated than what exactly did happen?
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 18, 2007 17:51:45 GMT -5
I think Kern & Company did know about Julian's forthcoming departure. They just chose a lousy way to write Cole off the show.
There were many other ways they could have written Cole out.
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? That was the Source in possession of Cole's body, who had committed those acts. Have you forgotten?