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Post by ljones on Dec 30, 2015 12:37:47 GMT -5
How would any of know what went on in the Underworld? First of all, the show's portrayal of the Underworld is off. It's a realm for the dead, not demons. Also, the show never really went into any real detail about society in the Source's Realm.
And your description of "the underworld" sounds a lot like what happens here on Earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 18:45:40 GMT -5
In the Rex and Hannah Chronicles, I made it clear that Cole has moved on. Below is a scene from my 14th story, Redemption. It is this story in which I brought Cole back.
To set the scene up, Cole had requested a meeting with Phoebe at Halliwell Manor. Phoebe agreed, provided both her sisters were present at said meeting. Here we go:
"I can't believe I'm doing this." Phoebe Halliwell said as she paced around the living room of Halliwell Manor with her sisters, her husband Coop, and Kira, looking on (Piper had sent Leo and the two boys to Magic School): "I mean this is Cole! The guy who made me Queen Of The Underworld, the one who impregnated me with his Demonic spawn. You remember that guy, don't you?"
"Pheebs, I just think that you should hear Cole out. That's all." Piper replied.
"Since when are you a Cole fan, Piper?" Paige asked.
"Well, there is something you two should know. Remember that nasty incident with the Thorn Demons and when the Elders took Leo away?" Piper said: "Remember, after it was all over, I said that an old friend had helped me get Leo back?"
"I don't see what that has to..." Phoebe began, but then broke off when realization hit her: "You mean that "old friend" was Cole!?"
"Yeah, Pheebs, it was."
"Well, how did you know that wasn't just some scheme for him to get back into our lives again?" Phoebe asked.
"I initially thought the same thing." Piper replied: "However, in the end, I realized that Cole was right all along. He also said he had another mission. He didn't want you to give up on love."
"Oh, how nice of him." Phoebe snorted.
"Well, Phoebe, after Cole you did have problems finding someone new." Paige said.
"Hey, there was Jason!" Phoebe said, thinking of Jason Dean, the former owner of the Bay Mirror newspaper, where she worked as an advice columnist.
"Who freaked and ran when he found out who and what you really were." Paige pointed out.
"Well, then there was Drake, until he died and headed off to the spirit world." Phoebe said, remembering the Demon turned human who had captured her heart a few years back. Unfortunately, the same deal that had made Drake human had given him only one year to live. He had spent his remaining days in a loving relationship with Phoebe, and she had been crushed to let him go: "But how did Cole have anything to do with me finding love again?"
"I can answer that." Cole said as he, Rex, and Hannah, arrived on the scene.
"Well, look who's here." Phoebe said as she locked eyes with her ex-husband.
Oh dear, this could get ugly. Rex thought as he sensed the tension in the room.
"Okay, Pheebs, just hear Cole out." Piper suggested.
"Okay, I will." Phoebe said and turned to Cole: "Just how did you help me find love again?"
"You were talking about Drake just now." Cole replied: "He was a friend of mine. I was the one that set up the meeting between him and the Sorcerer in which he made the deal to become human."
"And then you sent him to meet me." Phoebe said, putting the pieces together: "I'm not sure whether to thank you or slap you across the face!"
"Yet you did love him, Phoebe." Coop said.
"How do you know that?" Phoebe asked her husband: "I hadn't even met you at that point."
"Because I know true love." Coop replied: "It's kind of my job, after all."
"If I may intervene." Rex said and turned to Phoebe: "You should listen, Phoebe. That Drake chap did allow you to find love again, didn't he."
"Yeah, he did." Phoebe admitted.
"And if it were not for him, you might not have ended up with Coop." Rex went on.
"Rex, where is this going?" Phoebe asked.
"It's simple. Because of Cole, you found love again, and because of that, you ended up happily married. Despite what he may have done in the past, Cole did something good in helping both you and Piper."
"Besides, evil beings have been known to change for the better." Hannah said: "Rex and myself, for example."
"And Christy Jenkins." Paige said, remembering the incident of the previous winter that saw the troubled spirit of Christy Jenkins make peace with her sister, Billie, before crossing over to the spirit world. Paige, along with Rex and Hannah, had been present during that reconciliation: "It can happen, Phoebe. Anyone can change for the better."
"And me." Kira said.
"So you see, Phoebe, perhaps you should let Cole tell you his side of the story." Rex said: "Then you can make your judgement."
"Phoebe, I know there are no words I can say to make up for what happened between us." Cole said: "I just want you to know one thing, I did not become the Source of my own choice."
"What do you mean?" Phoebe asked.
"I meant that the original Seer tricked me. When I took the Source's powers from the Hollow, I also took his essence as well, although I didn't know about that part. That essence gradually took me over. In the end, my own personality was totally suppressed. It was the Source, not me, that impregnated you, Phoebe. I had no control over those actions."
"I never knew that." Phoebe said slowly: "Why didn't you say something after you came back from the Wasteland?"
"You never gave me a chance." Cole replied: "In the time it took me to get back, you made up your mind that I had been evil all along. You tried and convicted me without hearing my side of things. Is it any wonder I went a little bonkers after that. I got so desperate to get you back that I went so far as to become an Avatar. I just wanted you back, Phoebe, because I loved you."
"He's telling the truth." Coop said: "I don't condone his actions, Phoebe, but he did love you. He can't hide that from me."
"So if I had listened..." Phoebe said: "If I had only listened, then maybe..." she broke off as she considered choices made and paths not taken.
"Maybe we're both at fault here." Cole said: "Maybe we were both victims of circumstances beyond our control. I know that I can never get you back now, Phoebe, you've moved on. I just needed to set the record straight, to let you know I was not the evil creature you thought me to be."
"Oh man." Phoebe said as she sat down on the couch and looked at Cole: "How could I have been so wrong about you? How could I have been such a selfish bitch?"
"You were hurt, Phoebe." Coop said, before Cole could reply: "In your mind, Cole had betrayed you. So you wanted to hurt him back. As Cole said a moment ago, both of you were victims of circumstances. Perhaps you should leave it at that."
"Yeah, Coop, you're right." Phoebe said and looked at Cole: "Can you forgive me for being so closed minded?"
"I can." Cole replied and the two of them hugged. No longer lovers, but just friends.
"Now is the moment." the Angel Of Destiny said as she appeared among them: "Cole Turner, the Council has made its decision."
"And?" Cole asked.
"Your soul will be returned to you." the Angel said and raised her hands and a bright glow enveloped Cole: "It is done." the Angel said, after the glow had faded: "You are fully human now, Cole Turner. Have a good life." With those words, the Angel vanished.
"Well, that was different." Cole said. He turned to Coop and said: "You married a good person. Take good care of her."
"Don't worry, I will." Coop replied as the two of them shook hands.
"Well, I guess all is well." Rex said as he watched the scene in front of him.
And that's it. Not long after, Cole hooked up with Kira. The two of them are now engaged (this was revealed in my latest R&H Story, Secret Of The House). Cole is moving forward in the R&H Chronicles, not backwards, like in the comics.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jan 21, 2016 15:45:09 GMT -5
I think if Julian stayed on Charmed yeah eventually.
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Post by ljones on Jan 22, 2016 15:14:41 GMT -5
If this show had learned to rise above its black-and-white morality . . . perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 18:00:00 GMT -5
With two pre-World War II relics like Spelling and Vincent in overall charge? Those dinosaurs imposed their 1950's values on Charmed, hence that outdated black and white morality. It's no wonder Charmed has been more or less forgotten by most, what Millennial can relate to a show who's values reflect those of the Eisenhower Administration.
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Post by sol on Jan 24, 2016 17:29:57 GMT -5
Once Upon a Time is a lot about black and white morality and so?
Maybe it can be relaxing and fun, better than some falsely complex show
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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2016 0:44:07 GMT -5
Although "ONCE UPON A TIME" is also plagued by occasional bad writing, at least it has shown the capacity for rising above black and white morality with a lot more success - especially with characters like Regina Mills aka the Evil Queen, Snow White, Rumpelstiltskin and Killian Jones aka Captain Hook.
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Post by sol on Feb 2, 2016 15:01:12 GMT -5
Although "ONCE UPON A TIME" is also plagued by occasional bad writing, at least it has shown the capacity for rising above black and white morality with a lot more success - especially with characters like Regina Mills aka the Evil Queen, Snow White, Rumpelstiltskin and Killian Jones aka Captain Hook. In my country is a flop, the characters too much predictable, habitual overturning of the characters, the good becomes bad and vice versa, repetitive plot Snow White is boring as her prince, Rumpelstiltskin was interesting for two seasons, now is almost pitiful, Killian is hot but it's not enough to make interesting a show |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 6, 2016 19:28:19 GMT -5
Walking Dead in the earlier seasons had some bad writing but it got better.
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Post by ljones on Feb 20, 2016 3:06:44 GMT -5
Why are we supposed to judge "ONCE UPON A TIME" on how you and your country feel about it?
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Post by sol on Feb 23, 2016 0:33:45 GMT -5
Do you need a spoon of honey?
It was only an information about the rating of Once Upon a Time in my country, because of my work I am updated on what people like or dislike, I hope people'ld be free to like or dislike a show regardless of your opinion
After all, may I judge OUAT boring and predictable and repetitive series?
It's not mandatory that what you like, everyone had to like, if you fell in love with Killian as you did with Cole, it's your business
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Post by ljones on Feb 26, 2016 12:08:43 GMT -5
Wow . . . you made an assumption about me without really knowing me. If you consider yourself smart, don't bother. The next time you judge someone, get to know that person first.
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Post by sol on Feb 28, 2016 16:11:31 GMT -5
At least I have always had the doubt not to be so smart
In my culture, doubt is the antechamber of truth
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Post by ljones on May 2, 2016 23:07:59 GMT -5
At least I have always had the doubt not to be so smart In my culture, doubt is the antechamber of truth Again, you passed judgment on my character without really knowing me. Right now, you're batting two strikes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 23:47:14 GMT -5
Again, you passed judgment on my character without really knowing me. Because, you don't constantly do that to other people yourself, nosiree.  |
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