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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 8, 2008 16:51:33 GMT -5
Well, I'll admit we have no proof that Elizabeth was working directly with The Source.
So then why did she kill Cole's father? What were her motives...how did she believe Cole should be raised?
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 8, 2008 19:22:38 GMT -5
"Killing a politician, burning a bra ... what's the difference?" he inquired rather tongue-in-cheekedly.
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Post by pubesy on Jul 8, 2008 20:17:17 GMT -5
oh, ok.
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Post by pubesy on Jul 10, 2008 8:39:57 GMT -5
maybe she wanted cole to see the source as a father figure
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Post by ljones on Jul 11, 2008 10:03:40 GMT -5
How would I know? How would any of us know? The series never explored the circumstances or reasons behind Elizabeth's murder of Benjamin. Or why it took her several years to commit the act.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 11, 2008 17:34:48 GMT -5
Yes, we are all painfully aware of that, Ljones.
I'm just pointing out if no one can speculate on reasonable motives for Elizabeth Turner, then there is no excusing what she did.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 11, 2008 17:36:40 GMT -5
But Cole already had a father figure in Benjamin. Who was Elizabeth to decide that The Source should suddenly fill that paternal role for Cole?
And, as Ljones already pointed out, there's no definite evidence that Elizabeth was working with The Source. Only speculation based on probability.
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Post by pubesy on Jul 11, 2008 20:47:19 GMT -5
maybe, that is why elizabeth killed benjamin, so he could no longer be in cole's life, hence elizabeth could now raise him to see the source as a powerful, authoritative "father figure."
To gain this, elizabeth wold not have to work directly with the source. all she would have o do is convince cole that it is the sources respect that he desires.
maybe it was elizabeth's greatest desire to have her son working hand-in-hand with the source.
yes, there is no direct evidence of this. and all we can do is make assumptions. there is nothing wrong with making speculations.
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Post by wican1215 on Jul 19, 2008 11:19:55 GMT -5
phoebe should be with The main one shes happy with but in all she doese have a bewitched life no mater how much she tries she will couldn't have a normal life until the avatars come and so she had to think of the grand scheme of things so yes she got over Cole witch no mater how much he loved her could never be truly good to what she really needed and got it in the purest for LOVE so i think its cupe i also thought i connected more with phoebe then any other sister for those of u out there who do practice blessed be
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Post by ljones on Jul 20, 2008 1:49:15 GMT -5
What Phoebe found with Coop was a romance fit for a 15 year-old, and not for a woman of 30, which she was at the time the show ended.
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Post by pubesy on Aug 16, 2008 22:45:54 GMT -5
well, maybe that of a 16 year old too!
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Post by marienomad on Oct 12, 2008 21:51:49 GMT -5
In regards to Elizabeth, maybe Cole's father noticed that she was a demon and tried to kill Cole and her. She killed him to protect Cole and decided that humans are not worth the trouble and made Cole focus on his demon half.
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Post by ljones on Oct 15, 2008 16:21:55 GMT -5
In regards to Elizabeth, maybe Cole's father noticed that she was a demon and tried to kill Cole and her. She killed him to protect Cole and decided that humans are not worth the trouble and made Cole focus on his demon half. Is this a theory? If so, then it is also an example of why I don't buy the argument that the writers had ran out of things to write for Cole. |
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Post by marienomad on Oct 15, 2008 16:27:28 GMT -5
It's just a theory of mine. I have a few.
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Post by ljones on Oct 16, 2008 11:42:17 GMT -5
It's just a theory of mine. I have a few. It's a shame that the show's writers never considered such theories. I probably would have been more appreciative of their talents. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 16, 2008 12:54:39 GMT -5
And Elizabeth had such potential to be a formidable nemesis for the Charmed Ones...since she probably would have viewed Phoebe as a "bad influence" on her son.
In fact, if Elizabeth is still alive somewhere in the demonic world, she probably blames the Charmed Ones for Cole's demise.
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Post by jate88 on Oct 16, 2008 21:10:00 GMT -5
I was planning,for my fan fic, on having the reason for why Elizabeth aloud a human to get her pregnant was because The Seer told her that the most powerful force of evil that world would ever know would be born through her if she did. This would be Cole's and Phoebe's daughter that I'm speaking of course. Cole from season five is just an added bonus that neither The Seer nor Elizabeth planned on happening.
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Oct 16, 2008 22:59:03 GMT -5
And Elizabeth had such potential to be a formidable nemesis for the Charmed Ones...since she probably would have viewed Phoebe as a "bad influence" on her son. In fact, if Elizabeth is still alive somewhere in the demonic world, she probably blames the Charmed Ones for Cole's demise. I agree that it's unfortunate that they never pursued this potential. I theorize that maybe the writers had planned to before Shannen left, but the idea got lost in the shuffle once everything with Shannen went down. Otherwise, I can't see the significance of Phoebe's computer screen specifically noting that Cole's mother was still alive. It seems like classic foreshadowing. |
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Post by jate88 on Oct 17, 2008 20:55:05 GMT -5
And Elizabeth had such potential to be a formidable nemesis for the Charmed Ones...since she probably would have viewed Phoebe as a "bad influence" on her son. In fact, if Elizabeth is still alive somewhere in the demonic world, she probably blames the Charmed Ones for Cole's demise. I agree that it's unfortunate that they never pursued this potential. I theorize that maybe the writers had planned to before Shannen left, but the idea got lost in the shuffle once everything with Shannen went down. Otherwise, I can't see the significance of Phoebe's computer screen specifically noting that Cole's mother was still alive. It seems like classic foreshadowing. Maybe.... I think another reason might be that they didn't want to get people's hopes up that Cole would be coming back because then you would probably be having people complain because they didn't bring Cole back while they were doing a story arc on Cole's mother. |
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Post by ~Andrew~ on Oct 27, 2008 11:12:31 GMT -5
yea cole's mother would've been a great big bad. I think that if they made her a character, then we would also learn alot about cole's past. He was one of the best characters on the show and i liked him when he was evil but i like him more when he was on the charmed ones side
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