pubesy
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Post by pubesy on Feb 23, 2008 3:17:15 GMT -5
you said most.....
define most....say 98% of the world population???
thats a big statement. so are you saying both you and i are selfish? and the majority of people on this board, or the majority of charmed viewers are self absorbed also? i am not putting words in your mouth, i am just using examples to demonstrate how ridiculous a statement it is, that most of the people in the world are only interested in themselves.
i am not saying that i have "been around for long enough" to know the ways of the world, or how to look at the world through any coloured glasses for that matter.
i dont think that ANYONE can be around for long enough to even begin to know the world. and i am not saying that all human characters on charmed were good, or should have been good, so i dont know what you were on about there.....
i just prefer to be optimistic about the human population. most of the people in the world cannot be as selfish as you suggest. what a horrible world that would be. ALOT of people spend their time trying to benefit mankind. doctors, nurses, paramedics, policemen, firemen, teachers, coaches, the list goes on. you dont have to do something huge to help another.
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 23, 2008 7:02:23 GMT -5
When did anyone on this board ever make the claim that humans are inherently good? (as portrayed on Charmed, or in the real world itself).
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Post by ~:*Destiny*:~ on Feb 23, 2008 7:07:21 GMT -5
Cole was evil in a lot of ways. He was cruel and did all that stuff to Phoebe especially during season 4.
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Post by *Sammi!* on Feb 23, 2008 7:30:15 GMT -5
I know Im not an admin, but could people possibly calm it down a bit and get back to the original topic. Youre ruining it for the others.
missneworleans12 - I understand what youre saying, but Cole was tricked into doing all those things. I mean, being influenced by the Source is going to have a negative effect on anyone.
People just thought to shift the blame of everything onto Cole because he had been evil before, so surely if thats the case it must be his fault for hurting Phoebe? I dont think so.
Like people have said before in this thread, Phoebe had a lot to do with Coles eventual insanity...
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Post by ~:*Destiny*:~ on Feb 23, 2008 7:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah if you put it that way then yeah.
But I am not blaming Cole.
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Post by ~B@MeLiSsA30@B~ on Feb 23, 2008 15:27:34 GMT -5
I knew that Cole was influenced by the Source and it was Cole's love for Phoebe that he never hurt her. So yeah...I see what ya saying.
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Post by ljones on Feb 24, 2008 1:23:42 GMT -5
Ah. You're putting words into my mouth . . . again. Keep up the good work.
Are you kidding me?
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pubesy
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Post by pubesy on Feb 24, 2008 1:25:59 GMT -5
i was asking a question...thats all
you define most then......... ""most" is an extremely ambiguous term
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Post by ljones on Feb 24, 2008 1:29:02 GMT -5
i was asking a question...thats all you define most then......... ""most" is an extremely ambiguous term Yes, it is an ambigous point. To expect me to give you an exact number is pointless. Don't you think? |
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Post by pubesy on Feb 24, 2008 1:34:41 GMT -5
no, i dont think it is pointless.
especially if you are accusing me of putting words in your mouth. i define "most" as - an overwhelming majority, like 98%,
you must define it another way, which is great, theres no problem with that. ....... but clarification of how you view "most" would be excellent.
making a general statement like "most humans only care about themselves, and those close to them" or whatever you said, without clarification or specifics, is pointless
i think clarification is necessary
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 24, 2008 4:06:03 GMT -5
Cole wasn't merely "influenced by" The Source. The Source possessed Cole's body. As in, took over. Occupied. Controlled. There was nothing Cole could do to stop the demonic entity who had commandeered Cole's body as a vessel. Yes, Ljones, I'm playing mind games with you because I like to be snarky and vindictive.  Well, if anyone here actually does believe that humans are inherently good and only conditioned into evil, then I disagree with their view of humanity. It's way more complex than that. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 24, 2008 4:48:48 GMT -5
I wish this was true, but I fear that you're simply being sarcastic. Too bad.
Puseby, please do yourself a favor and just stop it. Please stop. There is no way in the world I can give you a definite number or percentage. You're just wasting your breath. And by the way, who are you to tell me that "I MUST" define what I had said by the word "most" one way or the other?
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Post by pubesy on Feb 24, 2008 4:59:35 GMT -5
you know what, i agree, just forget it.
i just think that it was such a horrible statement of humanity. but if thats how you see the world, then thats fine.
people care. i care.
lets just agree to disagree and move on.
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Post by marienomad on Feb 24, 2008 8:12:40 GMT -5
Well, I stood by the sidelines and let's talk about Cole. Cole was evil at the beginning and then he discovered Phoebe and felt something in him. He teeters between good and evil because of his inner war and his misconceptions of good and evil. He didn't really know the idea of good and evil and the Charmed Ones didn't do such a good job of teaching him. In Season 5 (ugh), he tried very hard to be good but wasn't entirely sure what good was. The Avatars appealed to him because they were 'beyond' good and evil. He was vanquished because he was completely confused and he had no one to talk to.
In the end, he became somewhat good and evil and is in the progress of being satisfied with himself which is 'Cole'.
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 24, 2008 17:35:29 GMT -5
Aw, sorry to disappoint you...
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Feb 24, 2008 18:18:13 GMT -5
The transition into becoming "good" was certainly not an easy transition for Cole to make. He was constantly teetering between both sides, but the Charmed Ones never REALLY helped him commit fully to good. They really just ASSUMED he would know how to act being an entity of good. The closest thing would be binding his pwers, but even that would not make him "good" because there are people-MORTALS who do "evil" actions ie: murders. Based off of this Cole didn't really have the opportunity to be good.
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Post by ~B@MeLiSsA30@B~ on Feb 24, 2008 18:40:56 GMT -5
I like the way you put that.
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pubesy
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Post by pubesy on Feb 24, 2008 19:12:34 GMT -5
weren't coles powers too strong to be bound, hence they had to be stripped?
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Post by ljones on Feb 25, 2008 15:10:57 GMT -5
Who does? I never demanded that Cole dedicate himself to be being good. Why should I? I'm certainly incapable of being that. Neither are anyone else I know. And neither were the Halliwells or Leo, as they had eventually proved. I don't think that Cole should have been expected to be some pristine figure of good. Neither the Charmed Ones or Leo or a good number of other characters were capable of being just that. Why should he?
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Feb 25, 2008 16:28:40 GMT -5
No one should have to dedicate fully to good, Cole especially. But Phoebe (and the rest of the sisters for that matter) nearly EXPECTED that he should be all good with no mistakes, despite Cole's demonic past. Even though the Charmed Ones made plenty of mistakes I got the impression that Phoebe wanted him to forget how to be "evil" and it wasn't going to happen. And if that was the case then, (bringing up my previous statement) Phoebe should have helped him make that transition rather than merely expect or assume he knew how to make it himself.
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