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Post by forbuss on Feb 26, 2014 21:01:56 GMT -5
TIme for another list! I got to thinking today - the Charmed Ones have broken the Wiccan Rede so many times - everything from small things like casting spells to clean the manor to bigger things (that we will discuss!). So when I say evil - I mean using their powers for personal gain, murder, punishing the guilty, etc. Basically anything that an evil witch would do. NOTE: I do not think we should include any time that the sisters were under the influence of a spell - if they casted the spell themselves and it backfired you can include it in your list, but nothing like when they were infected with the 7 deadly sins - or anytime a demon cast something on them.
I don't have 10, but I am interested in hearing what you guys think to help me round off my list!
1) Phoebe Killing Cal Green in "Morality Bites" - This was pretty bad. Within the canon of the show we didn't know the circumstances of why phoebe killed this man, and we didn't have to. She herself admitted that it was not their job to punish he guilty - and she was willing to die so that other witches could live on (which is why I almost put this lower on my list, because she redeemed herself a bit).
2) Phoebe and Paige stealing Daryl's Soul in "Vallhalley of the Dolls Pt. 1/2" - I hated hated hated when they did this. Daryl said no that he didn't want to offer his soul, and they did it anyway. They definitely took advantage of him and it was not okay!
3) The Charmed Ones killing Billie & Christie in "Kill Billie Vol. 2/Forever Charmed" - Even though I was super happy to see this happen, they did attempt to kill those two girls. I guess I am counting them attempting on Billie, because Christie was a little nuts.. Haha.
4) Phoebe abusing her premonitions in "So many episodes" - Probably the greatest abuse of power that their was that we saw on "Charmed" - but hey, at least she paid for it by getting her powers taken away for awhile.
5) Phoebe and Paige casting the "Mr Right Spell" in "Prince Charmed" - Seriously?
I wasn't sure whether I should include Phoebe Marrying Cole - thoughts? I didn't because I was leaning towards no..
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Post by esperanzaa on Feb 27, 2014 14:59:42 GMT -5
Phoebe turning Spencer Rick into a pig Phoebe and Paige letting Rick get killed
in a S2 episode, with Jack at the Buckland's, he had a piece of paper that Prue wanted, so she took it- with Telekinesis (though that's not as evil as the other ones) hmm, right now, I can't think of anything else.
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Post by esperanzaa on Feb 27, 2014 15:00:17 GMT -5
edit - ooh double post, please delete this one
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 9, 2014 21:35:50 GMT -5
Although there not really evil things there still personal gain though. Prue & Phoebe casting a spell using a puppet to remove a deadly disease Piper had which woke it up causing the thing to infect other people even if the sisters did it to save Piper. & Paige using the "Vanishing Spell" to clean up the sunroom after the demon Gith tried sucking Piper into a portal season 6. Talk about a quick fix.
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Post by CharmedBOSthanh on Mar 13, 2014 14:30:01 GMT -5
I would of found it interesting if in Charmed the girls had of used the spell for a fresh human heart and they had actually killed an innocent. That would of been an interesting twist to Charmed I would of liked to see how the girls would of gotten out of that one. I liked when Prue was taken and Piper and Phoebe were torturing the High Priestess when she took the book of shadows. Personal gain spell was "I conjure thee, I conjure thee" and the poor cat got all those Tom cats. They did this so they could meet guys. I didn't mind when they killed Christie cause she did go bad in the end. Billie came back to good. b b
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Post by Chrisaholic on Mar 16, 2014 9:31:37 GMT -5
They were many things the Charmed Ones shouldn't have done and I guess, the list would be endless if we go through each season and episode.
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Post by ljones on Apr 9, 2014 10:52:29 GMT -5
I just recently finished watching the Season Two episode from ”CHARMED”, (2.20) "Astral Monkey" . There were some things that were said in this episode that really pissed me off. And all of my complaints centered upon the character, Dr. Curtis Williamson.
Curtis Williamson first appeared in an earlier episode, (2.12) ”Awakened”. In this episode, Piper became infected with a deadly disease called Arroyo Fever, after eating some South American fruit she had purchased to serve at her club, P3. After her sisters and later Leo had both cured her using magic, Williamson became obsessed in discovering the reason behind Piper’s miraculous recovery from a disease that had no cure.
In ”Astral Monkey”, Williamson’s obsession not led him to continuously contact Piper by letter, but use the Halliwells’ blood drawn by the doctor in ”Awakened” to experiment on a trio of monkeys kept in his lab. Eventually, the Halliwells and Leo learned about Dr. Williamson’s experiments when the monkey with Prue’s abilities, astral projected to the manor. Piper, Prue and Phoebe went to the hospital to examine Dr. Williamson’s laboratory and Leo consulted the Elders . . . after they discovered that the Charmed Ones’ blood had been accidentally injected into Dr. Williamson and he ended up with their abilities. The following is what Leo had to say on the matter:
Piper: So what's the bad news?
Leo: Well, simply put, Dr. Williamson is cosmically screwed. He's got your powers in his mortal body. It took generations to prepare you for that, you can handle it, he can't.
Mortal body? Once again, the audience are led to believe that the Halliwells are not mortals. And yet, the series has proven over again that they were mortals. This point was specifically made in the Season Three episode, (3.22) "All Hell Breaks Loose", when Piper died from a gunshot wound in the first timeline before the demon Tempus changed it on behalf of the Source and the whitelighter Elders.
However, the following comment made by Leo really pissed me off:
Phoebe: Wait, are you saying that out powers are in our blood and he injected himself with it?
Leo: That blood, yeah. See, the spell that you cast to cure Piper changed everything and now it's changing Dr. Williamson. See, your magic is meant for doing good but in the wrong person, somebody not ready for it, that need to do good things...
Piper: Could go bad?
Leo: Real bad. Piper, it's nobody's fault. Dr. Williamson chose his own path. This is not the consequence of anybody's actions except his own. Still, you have to find a way to stop him before things get worse.
One, Leo had claimed that the spell Prue and Phoebe had cast to cure Piper in ”Awakened” was partly responsible for the Halliwells' abilities affecting Dr. Williamson. But it got worse. Then he further claimed that none of them - Piper, Prue and Phoebe, and he - were not responsible for Williamson’s abuse of their abilities and the latter’s effect upon him. Only Williamson was to blame.
Leo . . . Let me take a deep breath, here. Constance Burge, who wrote ”Astral Monkey”, really got the whitelighter’s character down pat in this episode. It seemed quite obvious – at least to me – that Leo’s feelings for Piper have constantly led him to spout stupid lies in order to placate any negative feelings she might be experiencing. In ”Astral Monkey”, she felt guilt for failing to respond to his letters about her recovery from Arroyo Fever . . . and because he was a mortal that she and her sisters had to kill.
After listening to Leo’s attempt to solely blame Williamson over the entire incident, I still find it amazing how fans continue to condemn Brad Kern for some of the series' bad writing, when Burge was also responsible for the crap that popped up during her tenure as executive producer of ”CHARMED”. And I am condemning Burge for an act that Kern consistently committed in the series’ future – namely give the Halliwells slack for some of their questionable actions in both ”Awakened” and ”Astral Monkey”.
I am quite certain that Curtis Williamson had been partially responsible for what happened. After all, he became obsessed with finding the source of Piper's "miraculous" cure from Arroyo Fever in "Awakened". Even the hospital’s Chief of Staff, Dr. Jeffries, warned him to allow the matter to drop. But the Halliwells and Leo should have accepted some of the blame over the entire situation. And Burge refused to allow this to happen in her script. Back in ”Awakened”, Prue and Phoebe used magic to cure Piper’s fever, when they should not have done so in the first place. After the pair reversed the spell and Piper fell ill for the second time, Leo stepped in and cured her . . . when he should not have done so. Because of Prue, Phoebe and Leo’s actions, Piper managed to avoid facing the consequences of her actions. And it was Piper who had started this whole mess in motion when she became greedy and decided to purchase South American fruit that had not been inspected by U.S. Customs.
It had been bad enough when Vivian and Valerie Mayhew’s script for ”Awakened” had failed to allow Piper face any legal ramifications from the U.S. government for her act of greed. After all, the episode never mentioned any legal fines and P3 had only been closed for a day . . . before Leo cured her. But in the story for ”Astral Monkey”, Constance Burge had failed to bring up all of the Halliwells and Leo’s past transgressions. Instead, she decided to lay all of the blame on Williamson's shoulders. Prue and Phoebe did not even seem the worse for wear following Williamson's death at the end of the episode. As for Piper, she only felt guilty for not being able to save Williamson and for failing to respond to his letters in the first place. Not once did the episode’s script allow Piper to express any guilt for allowing her greed in ”Awakened” to set everything in motion.
For two episodes considered to among the best by the series’ fans, I find it interesting that both managed to fill me with disgust from its portrayals of the main characters. Even worse, the only character who ended up facing consequences from questionable choices happened to be one portrayed by a guest star. And I find it ironic that I have Constance Burge, and not the much maligned Brad Kern, to blame.
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Post by isaiah on Nov 5, 2014 21:19:05 GMT -5
Prue took the piece of paper because jack took away the client she was talking to so as they say an eye for an eye. And the reason phoebe kill cal is because he kill elise i know it's wrong to kill. Some one should tell cal greene that
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Post by isaiah on Nov 5, 2014 21:22:49 GMT -5
And also billie and christy tried to kill them first phoebe even wanted to save them but christy went nuts and tried to kill her own sister NOW THATS EVIL.
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Post by EatenDoll on Nov 6, 2014 11:00:48 GMT -5
How come no one talks about the episode 6x17 Hyde School Reunion? This is by far the most evil thing they did and it chocks me everytime I see it again, so I try not to think about it that much but still. Yes Phoebe's high school friend was now a criminal, in jail, and a murderer because he killed a cop or something if I remember well, but the girls are not supposed to be murderers, and when they get rid of him by turn him into Chris so the demon that are after him kill him instead just after that, they really crossed a line here! Especially because there were so many other ways to stop him, Paige could have gotten rid of his gun instead of turning him into Chris, Piper could have frozen him, they could have used a spell to stop him, I don't know!, It's not like in the Astral Monkey episode with the doctor even though that one could easily be a big deal too.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 6, 2014 14:27:41 GMT -5
Getting Rick killed by demons that were after Chris was absolutely awful, yes, but so was ripping Daryl's soul out of his body against his will, and also deciding to follow the Avatar's plans in creating Utopia. For the first two cases it was sheer abuse of power over human beings that had no way of protecting themselves and fighting back, for the third one the sisters had no right to make that kind of decision. And yet these three things wouldn't be so bad if the Charmed Ones had suffered for it afterwards, if they had had their powers stripped from them and had been made to acknowledge how wrong it was for them to act that way, to make those kind of decisions. They so should have payed for it somehow in Season 8.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 6, 2014 15:18:43 GMT -5
Agreed totally. I also consider the way they took care of the Jenkinses as first-degree premeditated murder. It wasn't self-defense - that would've been if the Jenkinses took in the Hollow (actually the Shadow, but since Kern mistakenly had that vanquished in Something Wicca That Way Goes, he had to use something else) without the Warrens (I call them that since Paige is a Warren but not a Halliwell) knowing about it, walked in, and THEN the Charmed Ones took care of them. Planning it - especially against Billie who was obviously still a witch and not a warlock like Christy, who was actually the Ultimate Innocent and should've had her powers bound - is what made it one of the most evil things that they did, and yet they were still rewarded for it.
Yes, that happened in a different timeline than the one they're living in, but just the fact that they conspired to do it still should've seen them severely punished. Like you, I count ripping Darryl's soul out without his permission as the worst thing they did - especially doing it to a friend, but doing it to someone who they counted as a fifth sister was almost as bad.
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Post by EatenDoll on Nov 6, 2014 16:13:25 GMT -5
All that doesn't chock me as much as the Rick thing. Yes they took Daryl's soul but Idk, it didn't make me feel the same at all, because we knew that it the end they would take good care of it and let nothing happen to it. What I can't understand though is the fact that they let him in the street like that, his empty body, vulnerable, and that wasn't just a street but an alley, even worse! And frankly I don't care about the Jenkins. I can't stand them. I don't like how Billie's being an arrogant idiot at first, and then an ungrateful idiot, turning her back against the sisters so fast, and so deeply. That was totally self defense, they set them up, a lot of innocents would have died if the Charmed ones just did nothing and waited for the other two to finally kill them. They already caused the death of Paige's innocent and almost Paige's too, they used Wyatt, they turned everyone against them, took the manor, etc etc... I really hated that part of the season 8, it just irritates me so much. Billie could be dead too & I couldn't care less. They weren't mortal so that's not the same to me, and they certainly weren't innocent either.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 6, 2014 16:42:02 GMT -5
But they ARE mortals - just like the Charmed Ones. If you mean they're not non-magical, the fact that they AREN'T demons and Billie, at least, was still a WITCH, makes what they did even more evil - in fact, it makes them warlocks who should be vanquished. Yes, the fact that she was murdering them makes Billie one, too, but it does not absolve the Charmed Ones from doing it.
Vanquishing demons and warlocks is one thing; murdering mortals is something totally different. And it doesn't truly matter if you like them or not - Phoebe was burnt to death for murdering a murderer - my least-favorite non-magical on the show - but I agree that she should've been punished for doing that - just because you don't like someone doesn't means it's okay to have someone perform premeditated murder on them - if that's the case, all of us would be dead because someone wouldn't like us!
I don't count setting up Rick as badly as that because it's something that Phoebe and Paige came up with on the spur of the moment. It's the fact that they were PREMEDITATED that makes stealing Darryl's soul and murdering the Jenkinses as their worst crimes in my book - no matter how much I dislike Billie - I abhored Season Eight Piper and Season Eight Phoebe a whole lot more for doing this, and Season Eight Paige for not stopping them from attempting to murder her charge.
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Post by EatenDoll on Nov 7, 2014 4:48:19 GMT -5
Yes when I say mortals I mean non-magicals, and that's exactly my point the fact that you're saying the sisters became no different than warlocks that should be vainquished for what they did to Billie & Christie, well in the first place these two did far worse, so that made them exactly the same thing so then the sisters had to vainquish them because of that. I will never see it as something unfair, what's unfair and horrible to me is what B&C did, not the other way around, at all. The Rick thing however is totally different to me.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 7, 2014 5:09:55 GMT -5
What horrible thing did the Jenkins's do that you are talking about? Turning the whole magical community against the sisters? Kidnapping Wyatt? Yes, all that is pretty bad, except for the fact that Christy didn't know any better: she thought she was doing the right thing. The Halliwells, on the other hand, have done worser things over the years, not just one bad thing, and they were never called on any of it. What's even worse is that they should have known better.
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Post by ljones on Nov 7, 2014 23:01:40 GMT -5
I don't care how well Phoebe and Paige took care of Darryl's soul. They took it without his consent. Those two had more or less committed psychic rape. They have no excuse, as far as I'm concerned.
That excuse doesn't make sense to me. I don't care if they had taken a while to plot Rick's death or not. The gist of the matter is that they had orchestrated his murder, using demons. That's the worst thing I've seen any of the Halliwells do on this series. It disgusted me.
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Post by cyma on Nov 8, 2014 2:25:31 GMT -5
And frankly I don't care about the Jenkins. I can't stand them. I don't like how Billie's being an arrogant idiot at first, and then an ungrateful idiot, turning her back against the sisters so fast, and so deeply. That was totally self defense, they set them up, a lot of innocents would have died if the Charmed ones just did nothing and waited for the other two to finally kill them. They already caused the death of Paige's innocent and almost Paige's too, they used Wyatt, they turned everyone against them, took the manor, etc etc... I really hated that part of the season 8, it just irritates me so much. Billie could be dead too & I couldn't care less. They weren't mortal so that's not the same to me, and they certainly weren't innocent either. Not to mention the whole situation had gotten out of control. Without even listening to their side of the story, Billie and Christy tried to kill the Charmed Ones in the attic. Then it got worst when they decided to summon the Hollow. Using Wyatt. Even took his powers after that. Unlike the Source who was only extracting powers from the Hollow, Billie and Christy had the Hollow within them. Realistically, how much dodging Charmed Ones could've done in order to say the Hollow banishing spell? There's a good possibility Hollow possessed Billie and Christy would've killed them before they could even utter a word. And then what? Gone to lay waste to the whole world until there was nothing, no life, nothing. As the Seer in season 4 said. In that kind of uncontrollable situation if you're thinking about things like 'oh no killing and pre-meditated murder is bad cause they're mortals' a serious reality check is needed. Even Phoebe and Piper were ready to sacrifice Prue in 'Apocalypse Not' in order to save the world and many countless lives. Christy unfortunately was too far gone. And Billie going along with her sister even when she started feeling something things Christy doing was wrong: like using Wyatt. Or that being told by Coop that Phoebe was under a spell. She ignored all those things. Worst of all, the Triad killed Christy's parents. She knew that. And she still worked for them to destroy the Charmed Ones. She even manipulated Billie with the whole 'Piper being responsible for their parents death' in the next episode. Even after Billie tried to tell her they were being manipulated, she didn't listen. In the end, she tried to kill Billie along with the Charmed Ones. So when you have ultimate innocent gone bad and the Hollow, it's either be killed and let the world die too or get rid of the ex-Ultimate Innocent.
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Post by ljones on Nov 9, 2014 15:16:46 GMT -5
Pre-meditated murder is still murder. No "serious reality check" is needed. And your argument strikes as an excuse to pretend that the Halliwells have done nothing wrong, because their victims are "evil" and they are the show's protagonists. I have encountered this kind of attitude from fans of other shows - like "LOST", "BUFFY", "ONCE UPON A TIME" and "ANGEL".
If the Halliwells had killed in order to defend others or themselves at a certain moment when their actions were needed, I can understand. But murder to prevent future crimes? Give me a break.
Then again, I keep forgetting about human nature. We humans love to drum up excuses to enact our aggressions upon others. And if we cannot do it, we try to indulge our desire for aggression through others and especially via fictional characters.
This would make a great argument for bigotry. It's okay to harm or kill those considered different from us. But we're not allowed to do the same to those to be one of "our kind".
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Post by robert123 on Nov 9, 2014 21:09:59 GMT -5
This would make a great argument for bigotry. It's okay to harm or kill those considered different from us. But we're not allowed to do the same to those to be one of "our kind". But the thing is, those demons and warlocks are evil and kill innocent people. And as witches (And more importantly, as Charmed Ones), thy're protectors of the innocent, and to protect them they have to vanquish demons and warlocks. Now, with non-magicals it's different because they don't have any powers so they can't protect themselves from witches. At least that's what I think it is, based on the show.
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