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Post by jacksparrow on Aug 18, 2007 21:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 19, 2007 9:06:08 GMT -5
And that works fine for virtual series, like yours and Charmed: Reality Reset. BUT if there was truly tension on the set, either between Alyssa and Shannen or Shannen and Brad Kern, then it wouldn't, and that's what this is all about.
And if the original three had stayed together, I truly don't think the idea of Sam and Patty having a daughter would've ever come up. Of course, now we know all about Paige, but had the three actresses gotten along with each other and with Kern and with Spelling and all the others, I truly think we never would've known that Paige existed.
So if *that's* the case, Total Charmed One's, who would you have let die?
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 20, 2007 20:04:13 GMT -5
If Piper had given up her powers, there was a chance Wyatt wouldn't have been born with powers either.
However, if Wyatt was conceived before the Halliwells gave up their powers, then a powerless Piper might have still given birth to a magical Wyatt, and been unable to protect him since her magic would have been gone.
Regardless, Wyatt still would have been born: the debate is whether or not he would have been magical or non-magical.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 21, 2007 1:10:57 GMT -5
If Piper had given up her powers, there was a chance Wyatt wouldn't have been born with powers either. However, if Wyatt was conceived before the Halliwells gave up their powers, then a powerless Piper might have still given birth to a magical Wyatt, and been unable to protect him since her magic would have been gone. Regardless, Wyatt still would have been born: the debate is whether or not he would have been magical or non-magical. Shortly before the Angel's appearance, Piper found out that she could not get pregnant due to all the injuries caused by her being Charmed. I truly believe that having and raising a magical kid was the Charmed Ones' new destiny once they accepted the fact that they were going to continue to be Charmed. So I don't think she was already pregnant at the time that the Angel showed up--that without the help of the Angel, the pregnancy never would've been (still Leo's kid, mind you--although if it wasn't, that could've made an even more interesting plotline. I think it's why they had Wyatt be blond, so we were certain that he was Leo's, the way Chris being brunet was supposed to assure us that he wasn't Wyatt--stupid, I know, because everyone's hair color can change as they age, but that's the Charmedverse for you!) Therefore, had the Charmed Ones not agreed to continue their destiny, I truly believe that Piper never would've had *any* kid--mortal or magical.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 21, 2007 11:03:48 GMT -5
i would have let prue die! i have said this before and i will say it again! piper could not have died!!! i would have been devestated! plus, even though her whining gets on a lot of people nerves how would you feel if yoyr life, your sisters life your MORTAL husbands life, and your children's life were in danger ALL THE TIME!!!!!! wouldnt you get sick of that! plus because of them risking their and their family's life it got prue and their mom killed so the whining is just what any sane person would do!!! who wants to be in that kind of danger all the time!! plus all those people who think piper is an idiot or annoying for complaining about powers all the time- who was the one to deny powers in the forst place??? PRUE!!! she didnt wan tphoebe using them!!! plus what about after andy died??!! the first eppy if season 2 how did prue act??!! whiny, and in mourning- just like piper!! so there! ps i could rant about this plenty! pss i pick prue to die! not that i hate her but i would rather lose her than piper!!!!!!
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Post by jacksparrow on Aug 21, 2007 23:32:22 GMT -5
And that works fine for virtual series, like yours and Charmed: Reality Reset. BUT if there was truly tension on the set, either between Alyssa and Shannen or Shannen and Brad Kern, then it wouldn't, and that's what this is all about. And if the original three had stayed together, I truly don't think the idea of Sam and Patty having a daughter would've ever come up. Of course, now we know all about Paige, but had the three actresses gotten along with each other and with Kern and with Spelling and all the others, I truly think we never would've known that Paige existed. So if *that's* the case, Total Charmed One's, who would you have let die? Ouch, ok I suppose i would have to kill of Prue. I love her but she never really seemed into the whole witch thing in the first place and the other girls got into saving lives after a while so i would have to say Prue.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 22, 2007 9:03:38 GMT -5
i would have let prue die! i have said this before and i will say it again! piper could not have died!!! i would have been devestated! plus, even though her whining gets on a lot of people nerves how would you feel if yoyr life, your sisters life your MORTAL husbands life, and your children's life were in danger ALL THE TIME!!!!!! wouldnt you get sick of that! plus because of them risking their and their family's life it got prue and their mom killed so the whining is just what any sane person would do!!! who wants to be in that kind of danger all the time!! plus all those people who think piper is an idiot or annoying for complaining about powers all the time- who was the one to deny powers in the forst place??? PRUE!!! she didnt wan tphoebe using them!!! plus what about after andy died??!! the first eppy if season 2 how did prue act??!! whiny, and in mourning- just like piper!! so there! ps i could rant about this plenty! pss i pick prue to die! not that i hate her but i would rather lose her than piper!!!!!! If Piper had died at the end of Season Three, you never would've known that she would've had kids. Instead, I'm sure one of the others would have been married and had kids. Who knows? Maybe Leo would've eventually ended up marrying Paige and Paige would've never kept trying to change Leo from the angel he was into a useless mortal stuck in a time not his own. To top it off, their kids would've been three-quarters whitelighter. So Wyatt and Chris could've still been born; they just would've been better because they would've had a larger angelic side to balance out all of the power they had--Wyatt wouldn't have become evil under that circumstance, so Chris would've stayed in his own time and his parents wouldn't take over the show. Letting Prue, the true and best leader of the Charmed Ones, the one who actually looked for and saved innocents, not just battle the evil that went after her own family, live, makes the most sense, since then we don't have to listen to Piper whine about a normal life--the three Charmed Ones--Prue, Phoebe and Paige were all ones who wanted their magic, unlike Miss Whinealot. Of course, IF indeed there was tension between Alyssa and Shannen, the show might not have lasted as long, especially without Holly around to keep them from tearing each other to shreds, like her character, but I think the show would've been a lot better, because without Piper's explosive powers all three Charmed Ones would've been equally powerful, so all three would've been true stars of the show, not just Piper.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 22, 2007 21:15:54 GMT -5
So are you suggesting that the Angel of Destiny blessed Piper with the fertility to enable her to give birth to Wyatt?
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Post by foxfire on Aug 23, 2007 0:09:46 GMT -5
As to the earlier statements that Prue was never truly interested in being a witch. True. At first she was extremely skeptical and not liking the fact that she had these unknown powers. Now fastforward to season three and Prue's the only one who has full embraced her powers and has become "Superwitch" or the "Wiccan Wonder".
If Piper had died, even though I hate to say it, I think Leo would have remained an outsider. I couldn't see them sticking him with one of the other sisters because he'd already married Piper and it'd be weird for Prue or Phoebe. However, if you factored in Paige... well... let's face it... Leo's not her type. We might have had a different Paige without Piper though.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 23, 2007 12:23:23 GMT -5
So are you suggesting that the Angel of Destiny blessed Piper with the fertility to enable her to give birth to Wyatt? Very much so. It's what her next destiny--being the embodiment of the Earth Goddess and not good for much else besides making and raising kids and then protecting them from anyone who goes after her family and to heck with anyone else--definitely was, since it sure wasn't looking for and saving innocents, the original destiny of The Charmed Ones!
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 23, 2007 12:24:52 GMT -5
So are you suggesting that the Angel of Destiny blessed Piper with the fertility to enable her to give birth to Wyatt? Very much so. It's what her next destiny--being the embodiment of the Earth Goddess and not good for much else besides making and raising kids and then protecting them from anyone who goes after her family and to heck with anyone else--definitely was, since it sure wasn't looking for and saving innocents, the original destiny of The Charmed Ones, which I think would've continued to be the destiny of The Charmed Ones if Piper had been the one who died and not Prue! I would've preferred not seeing any kids until the finale, since that's when the show most definitely changed, and IMOHO, not for the better!
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 23, 2007 18:48:59 GMT -5
My goodness, Piper had two babies, not 15. She was good for many other things besides making babies. In any case, what is so wrong about Piper becoming a mother figure and being protective of her family? How is that a negative trait? I honestly don't get this.
I also think, this is more suited for the "Issues with Piper" thread.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 24, 2007 16:13:33 GMT -5
Maracev, still holding out, I see. No, she didn't have 15 babies, but she did have 3: two on screen, one off screen. Are you aligning yourself with the "canon" only camp who assert that if it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen? Do official companions mean anything to you other than a marketing device to generate more revenue? Just curious.
I don't think the Angel of Death had anything to do with Piper's becoming pregnant. All he did was confide that Piper would become pregnant. Even though whitelightertony points out that the thrust of the previous episodes was to establish the likelihood that Piper might not have a baby, gynecology is not 100% fact. Some women try many, many years before conceiving. And yes, sometimes the prospects look rather grim. But fate has a way of changing for some.
I hope no one will soon suggest that the Angel of Destiny determined the gender of the child. As you know, the thrust of the episodes prior to the birth of Wyatt was that the child would be a girl. Prudence Melinda came third, not first, as we were led to expect from Morality Bites forward.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 24, 2007 19:29:36 GMT -5
No, no, no. I'm not denying the third baby. That little girl was definitely Piper and Leo's little "welcome back from the deep freeze" gift. I just meant that she only had two babies during the course of the show. We didn't get to see much of the third one on screen. Totally with you. The doctor said it would be difficult, not impossible.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 29, 2007 20:00:44 GMT -5
Make no mistake: I disagree 100% with Esmerelda that the Angel of Destiny had anything to do with Wyatt's conception.
I was just challenging Esmerelda as to her assertion that Wyatt never would have been born if the Halliwells had chosen to give up their magical identities. Clearly, he still would have. The question is whether baby Wyatt still would have had powers.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 29, 2007 20:49:18 GMT -5
I would assume he wouldn't. Wyatt wouldn't fit into any prophecy or pre-ordained destiny like the Charmed Ones did so I don't see why he should have powers. Oh wait, I'm lying. He'd have his whitelighter powers as would Paige. Right? Or does that mean that the Charmed Ones become completely free of any magic. I'm not too familiar with that episode as I'm typing.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 29, 2007 21:05:16 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Even if Piper could give up her powers, Leo as the other half of the equation still retained his and if powers truly are genetic, then Piper would not have any control over whether Wyatt would get magic from daddy's side or not. The other thing is, Wyatt is a separate being from Piper, with his own destiny to fulfill (I hate the use of the word destiny, but you get it) and I don't think Piper had the right or the power to make the decision that would prevent Wyatt from doing his own thing in the magical world.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 29, 2007 22:44:59 GMT -5
Wasn't one of the catches to that episode that Leo would be taken away from Piper because he's part of the magical side of things?
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 19:38:36 GMT -5
God no. Piper never would've agreed to that. As much as she didn't like the witch thing, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have sacrificed her marriage to Leo for the chance of being normal, specially not at that point in their lives together.
The angel of destiny said exactly the opposite. He said that neither decision would've affected Piper and Leo's personal destiny.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 20:08:16 GMT -5
Oh okay. But seriously. If they wanted to remove magic from Piper's life there'd have to be a catch surrounding Leo. He's magic. Plain and simple. He's dead, for God's sake. He'd still be running off to help his charges and that is far from normal. I'd imagine they'd have to make him mortal or something. Even then, Piper wouldn't want that.
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