Season 6: Ready Set go!

[cyma]

It’s been like 3 years since Season 5 discussions started here. I may not be able to change Season 5 Discussions Title to Season 6 since I’m not an admin, but like most of the members here, I have been granted these awesome powers which allow me to create threads anywhere I want on this forum. So even if I start season 6 related threads in Season 5 discussion board, it’s okay, it’s cool for now. One day hopefully, an admin will sort it out, but for now, let’s start discussing instead of waiting for that day? Good idea? Well?



I’m glad you guys agree  So with the powers vested in me and all that, let’s start season 6!



 

[Esmeralda]

You're right - we really have been on Season Five too long - wasn't it really only supposed to be a month??? *scratches head*

So onward and forward to Season 6. Since it's my least-favorite season (especially if you include "Oh, My Goddess!" as part of it, , I'll sit it out unless I can translate it to the original verison of the sisters, like I did in the other thread.

But for all of you who love Wyatt and Chris, this forum is all yours - have fun!

[cyma]

Jun 18, 2015 14:41:31 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

You're right - we really have been on Season Five too long - wasn't it really only supposed to be a month??? *scratches head*

I believed a year had passed. It's when I looked at one of the threads I got a nice shock. With busy real life and then FB and what not, you never really keep track of time anymore.

[Chrisaholic]

Thanks, thanks so much. I'm lucky that S6 runs here at the moment but it ends on Monday already (again). I love S6 - the reason shows my nick here.

[Melinda Halliwell]

I liked season 6 in certain ways and then not so in other certain ways which I think happened more so then for me.

There were some good episodes there like 'Chris Crossed' and the finale and some not so good episodes either like 'The Power Of Three Blondes' and 'I Dream Of Phoebe'.

Chris could've been more nice and treated his family better and had a more better reason to hate Leo than otherwise stated.

Nothing was ever done about Piper and Leo in terms of divorcing or not which I would've liked to have seen.

I didn't like Phoebe channeling powers with her empathy which I think should've entirely been emotion based.

Gideon could've fought another way to deal with his concerns about Wyatt and told Piper and Leo what than trying to kill him.

There could've been a good explanation why magic school was created like someone said in another post before to luer Wyatt and what not.

And finally I wanted the Charmed Ones to care about innocents again and not family more and whine about wanting normal life's all the time etc.

[Esmeralda]

LOL, the funny thing about that is that except for Chris being more of a creep than usual, the only S6 episode that I like is "I Dream of Phoebe" - I laugh and I laugh and I laugh! One of Alyssa's best performances.

[Melinda Halliwell]

I must admit Alyssa was good comedic wise in that episode. It's the storyline I hated most from that.

[cyma]

Jun 19, 2015 14:12:36 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

There could've been a good explanation why magic school was created like someone said in another post before to luer Wyatt and what not.

I think I might've mentioned that in here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/11131/seasons-5-8-7-concept:

Instead of some random demon who wanted to rule the Underworld, the Crone releases the Titans. We find out later releasing the Titans was Crone’s way of catching the Elders attention. If she really wanted all the Elders dead she would’ve released all the Titans rather than three. She is able to locate one of the Elders in hiding, Gideon and reveals that there’s a bigger threat to both their worlds than the Titans and shows him the vision of Wyatt she saw in the Sense and Sensibility episode.

After Titans, while Leo becomes an Elder, Gideon stays on Earth with the pretense of opening Magic School to help witches learn and to make sure someone releasing Titans like that never happens again. Of course his real motive is obviously to get rid of Wyatt somehow.

Jun 19, 2015 14:12:36 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

Gideon could've fought another way to deal with his concerns about Wyatt and told Piper and Leo what than trying to kill him.

I really would've liked to see Gideon try to find alternate ways to make sure Wyatt doesn't turn evil before he finally decides that killing is the only solution. Wyatt using magic to conjure a dragon which injured people and almost destroyed the city can be when Gideon finally concludes getting rid of Wyatt is the only solution. The Cleaners erasing Wyatt and Gith luring Piper and Wyatt in the world of desires could easily be revealed as one of Gideon's attempts on Wyatt.

[cyma]

One of the problems with Season 6 was, it was focusing on things probably nobody wanted to watch. I didn’t want to watch Phoebe’s high school reunion or how crappy her love and work life was. I didn’t want to watch teenage Grams or her husband's hippy days. One or two of Paige’s temp jobs were okay but the rest I just didn’t care. Piper and Leo’s constant one-off got annoying two seasons ago. The sisters falling under a spell and doing stupid things wasn’t funny in Chris-Crossed and neither when they used the same technique in the season finale.

The main things which should’ve been the focus should’ve been the Wyatt’s turning evil storyline and most episodes should’ve been set in the future where we see how the Future Charmed Ones fell and Wyatt’s turning. Chris-Crossed should’ve been followed by more future episodes revealing such things. The whole vision quest in Legend of Sleepy Halliwell with Phoebe's pregnant belly:




Makes me just wanna scream bloody murder because that is not the kind of future I'm talking about

[Chrisaholic]

Yeah, and the authors seem to have forgotten what had happened in the beginning to the characters, hence the interaction between Phoebe and Chris in "Oh my Goddess!" and "I Dream of Phoebe". Hello? All were 'blessed' with memory gaps in this particular field. Logic went out of the window then?!

[cyma]

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[cyma]

[Esmeralda]

Very, very interesting comments - I agree with most of them.

Rather than Prue's son (because I agree that he looks the most like her), I would've preferred them finding out that he was the reincarnation of Prue, back to once more try to save his family - if indeed they made him be that way. Because I would've 100000% preferred him being the evil one, the dark-haired jealous younger brother.

[Chrisaholic]

Whatever the authors had in mind for S6, the great storyline (background: Chris/Wyatt) was "ignored" for other major things it seems. Yeah, there were enough hints in some episodes, yet still, the whole background of Chris was missing. From the Titan's episodes till the Valkyries' ones. How, in God's name, could we switch from the Titans' ruling the world to Wyatt's doing it?! It doesn't make sense and Chris only went back to the future in E10. Hence, now I've got a headache myself!! lol

[tim66]

Since this area is open to guest posters, I suppose I'll add my two cents.

I know that there is someone here who doesn't particularly like Chris (Hello Es, it's been a while, hasn't it). However, there is one clear fact that must be addressed. Chris saved this season. It was his story that kept fans coming back week after week. Chris Crossed, in which Chris played a key role, was one of the highest rated episodes of the season. This episode gave rise to the Charmed Sons Campaign, in which I was a part of (and some others here were too), in which we campaigned to get a spin off series centered around Wyatt and Chris. Although the campaign was, in the end, unsuccessful, it was a worth effort and I met some nice people because of it, some whom I an online friends with to this day.

However, imagine Season Six without Chris and his story. What do you have? Frankly, not much. Chris made this season stand out, rising from the rubbish that was Season Five.

Now, I shall address some posts made here by others

I didn't like Phoebe channeling powers with her empathy which I think should've entirely been emotion based.

I didn't like Phoebe becoming an empath period.  Did Charmed really need a second rate Deanna Troi?     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deanna_Troi

Gideon could've fought another way to deal with his concerns about Wyatt and told Piper and Leo what than trying to kill him.

That's what I've been saying for years.  He could have approached the Halliwell's and stated his concerns about Wyatt.  Why he just threw away everything he'd believed in for centuries made no sense at all to me.

There could've been a good explanation why magic school

Ah, Magic School.  The following is taken from my 28th Rex and Hannah Chronicles story, The Fallen One II (which features the aforementioned Gideon (BTW):


“Why is it every time I come here to this Magic School, I feel I’m in a Harry Potter novel.” Hannah said: “Come on, don’t any of you see the resemblance?”

“Yes, Hannah, there is a distinct resemblance, now that you mention it.” Rex said, grinning: “Strange how these things happen.”


Yep, Magic School was created to mooch off the popularity of the Harry Potter franchise, nothing more.  I'm surprise J.K. Rowling didn't sue them into the poor house for this blatant theft of her idea.

I didn’t want to watch teenage Grams or her husband's hippy days.

Ugh, Witchstock.  That episode stomped all over continuity it wasn't funny.  There is NO WAY that Grams could have been that young in 1967.  Rumour has it that Patty was supposed to be the hippy, but Finola Hughes wasn't available.  Of course, they should have fed this script into a paper shredder right there and then, but, as we saw, to our misfortune, they didn't.

And Grams still acting like a hippy in the changed time line.  RUBBISH!  Hippis grew out of it and became responsible adults.  One ex-hippy became President Of The United States.  His wife later became Secretary Of State, for crying out loud!

Phoebe’s high school reunion

When she and Paige murdered a man in cold blood you mean.  Yes, demons did the actual killing, but she and Paige set Rick up for it.  They're just as guilty (if you hire a hit man to kill someone, you're just as guilty, even though you didn't personally pull the trigger).  

I mean Paige could have orbed the blood gun right out of Rick's hands!  They they could have easily subdued him and called Daryl to come and pick him up.    Es's calling of Paige a ditzy valley girl is spot on by this point.


No, Chris was the saving grace of this season.  Drew Fuller gave us a great character. 

[Chrisaholic]

Besides, the introduction of Magic School came kind of late if you ask me. I mean, if Gideon knows the sisters as kids, why was he never mentioned before? The blame here goes mainly to Leo. He must have known all of this, or can I blame the authors again? Or BK who was responsible for the big picture in the show?

[Esmeralda]

Blame Harry Potter for not being popular sooner!

[BettyN]

Tim pretty much said it 100%--"Imagine Season Six without Chris and his story. What do you have? Frankly, not much. Chris made this season stand out, rising from the rubbish that was Season Five."

Season 6 had a GREAT idea with Chris and the Evil Wyatt storyline, but without Chris, you pretty much had the same old fairytale crap from Season 5--Magic School (aka. Not!warts), Excalibur, Mata Hari, and so on. And, I can almost assure you that this stuff stole screentime that could've just as easily gone to Chris, instead (hence, one reason why his storyline was so rushed and sloppily-written).

The sisters also continued to be horribly-written this season, with Piper devolving further and further into being a selfish bitch, Paige's IQ plummeting even further, and Phoebe continuing to be Freebie/PhoeMe. As many have pointed out, this was the season where Phoebe forgot the lesson she learned in "Morality Bites" and murdered a man in cold blood. (And, in that same episode, Paige forgot how to use her own powers. Duhhhhhh...)

It was also in this season that Leo became an Elder and began his decline into being an almost equally unlikable character as the sisters. Looking back, I really wish Brian had not renewed his contract after Season 5 and that "Oh, My Goddess" was the last we saw of Leo (at least, until the series finale), as had almost happened. It would've spared me from seeing his long, painful decline from Elder to Avatar to Doormat to Icicle to Doormat again (and Brian's painful attempts at trying to act this material out).

Yes, Chris stole the spotlight from this sisters and Leo, but for damn good reasons.

Now, at another site, I came across a collection of the Nielsen ratings for Charmed's last 5 seasons. Here are Season 6's ratings:

Season 6:

• "Valhalley of the Dolls, Part 1": 6.3
• "Valhalley of the Dolls, Part 2": 6.3
• "Forget Me... Not": 5.8
• "The Power of Three Blondes": 5.4
• "Love's a Witch": 5.4
• "My Three Witches": 5.5
• "Soul Survivor": 5.2
• "Sword and the City": 5.2
• "Little Monsters": 5.3
• "Chris-Crossed": 6.0
• "Witchstock": 5.3
• "Prince Charmed": 3.9
• "Used Karma": 4.2
• "The Legend of Sleepy Halliwell": 4.8
• "I Dream of Phoebe": 4.1
• "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father": 5.0
• "Hyde School Reunion": 4.8
• "Spin City": 3.8
• "Crimes and Witchdemeanors": 3.4
• "A Wrong Day's Journey Into Right": 4.1
• "Witch Wars": 2.7
• "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World, Part 1": 4.8
• "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World, Part 2": 4.8

The first half of the season had some of the highest ratings the show had seen in YEARS (and during a season when ratings were declining on the entire network, mind you... even top-rated shows like Gilmore Girls and Smallville suffered huge drops in the 2003-04 season), and no doubt, it's because of Chris. After the nonsense of Season 5, he renewed people's interest in the show and gave people a reason to watch again. "Chris-Crossed" was a powerful climax for his storyline, and no surprise, it was the show's highest-rated non-premiere episode since Season 3.

But, once that powerful climax was followed up by the turd that was "Witchstock," people started to lose interest and the ratings dropped like a hot potato in the latter half of the season (hitting a record low with "Witch Wars"). "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father" was the only episode in the season that would reach 5 million again after "Witchstock," no doubt because of the much-hyped Piper/Leo reunion.

And, to see even further how much of an impact Chris had on the show's ratings, take a gander at Season 7's ratings:

Season 7:

• "A Call to Arms": 5.5
• "Bare Witch Project": 4.8
• "Cheaper by the Coven": 5.4
• "Charrrrmed": 4.7
• "Styx Feet Under": 4.8
• "Once in a Blue Moon": 4.6
• "Someone to Witch Over Me": 3.9
• "Charmed Noir": 3.9
• "There's Something About Leo" 4.0
• "Witchness Protection": 4.2
• "Ordinary Witches": 3.5
• "Extreme Makeover": 3.6
• "Charmageddon": 4.0
• "Carpe Demon": 3.0
• "Show Ghouls": 3.2
• "Seven Year Witch": 4.0
• "Scry Hard": 3.5
• "Little Box of Horrors": 3.9
• "Freaky Phoebe": 3.7
• "Imaginary Friends": 3.3
• "Death Becomes Them": 3.4
• "Something Wicca This Way Goes": 3.3

A lot of people tuned into Season 7 to see if the Chris/Wyatt storyline would be followed up on, and when it wasn't, the ratings fell HARD. The boring, plodding, anti-climactic Avatar storyline (an idea that should've been left behind in Season 5, IMO) did nothing but drive viewers away, especially when so many were expecting something completely different. Sad thing is, Season 7, itself, may not have even happened if not for Chris and the higher ratings he brought in Season 6.

[cyma]

Jun 20, 2015 18:43:20 GMT -5 tim66 said:

Phoebe’s high school reunion

When she and Paige murdered a man in cold blood you mean.  Yes, demons did the actual killing, but she and Paige set Rick up for it.  They're just as guilty (if you hire a hit man to kill someone, you're just as guilty, even though you didn't personally pull the trigger).  

I mean Paige could have orbed the blood gun right out of Rick's hands!  They they could have easily subdued him and called Daryl to come and pick him up.    Es's calling of Paige a ditzy valley girl is spot on by this point.

What I actually meant was the whole reunion was pointless. We could've gotten a Pre-Witched sort of episodes which actually shows what happens to Chris on his fourteen birthday and how Piper dies. And ofcourse Wyatt's turning to evil.

As for Rick being killed, well it's not really shocking seeing Charmed writers screwed up continuity and whatever consistently. But personally, I'm not so shocked and horrified by Phoebe's or Paige's actions. We have plenty of people like Rick running around robbing banks and killing people who get in their way so, you know if you wanna adopt them, treat them like human beings, defend them or whatever, be my guest because I feel no pity for guys like these. I also completely find the whole Morality Bites lesson flawed. If Phoebe had killed Hitler or any terrorists, everyone would be awarding her medal of bravery and stuff. But since she happen to kill a man who only she knew was guilty but the rest of the world didn't. She got caught, was called a monster and executed by burning. While Cal Greene was free to brutalize his next victim. So what's the lesson here exactly?   I really think Charmed should've addressed all this, but since it can't even be consistent with its previous episode, I can only dream.

[BettyN]

As for Rick being killed, well it's not really shocking seeing Charmed writers screwed up continuity and whatever consistently. But personally, I'm not so shocked and horrified by Phoebe's or Paige's actions. We have plenty of people like Rick running around robbing banks and killing people who get in their way so, you know if you wanna adopt them, treat them like human beings, defend them or whatever, be my guest because I feel no pity for guys like these. I also completely find the whole Morality Bites lesson flawed. If Phoebe had killed Hitler or any terrorists, everyone would be awarding her medal of bravery and stuff. But since she happen to kill a man who only she knew was guilty but the rest of the world didn't. She got caught, was called a monster and executed by burning. While Cal Greene was free to brutalize his next victim. So what's the lesson here exactly? I really think Charmed should've addressed all this, but since it can't even be consistent with its previous episode, I can only dream.

The main thing that the show had emphasized from Day One was that the primary job of the Charmed Ones was to protect the innocent, not punish the guilty. Murdering humans, criminal or not, was NEVER part of their mandate. Like Superman, they do not kill.

The obvious way they should've dealt with Rick was to have Paige orb the gun out of his hands while Phoebe calls Darryl to take him back into custody. There was no need to kill him. And, if he just HAD to die, then, please, AT LEAST show Phoebe and Paige suffering consequences from it. You don't just kill somebody and move on from it like it's no big deal. Think of how torn up Piper was at the end of "Astral Monkey" after the sisters were forced to kill Dr. Williamson out of self defense. Phoebe and Paige should've felt the same way about killing Rick.