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Post by tim66 on Jun 29, 2015 0:10:47 GMT -5
And thus the Charmed Sons campaign was born. Chris's story kept S6 from being the total failure S5 had been. As Betty said, the ratings soared.
And back down the ratings went. By the time the Zankou storyline started, it was too late. Seemed that Charmed was done. However, it was picked up for the eighth season. However, the ONLY reason why that happened was that the dying WB had nothing else to put on. Charmed only got its final season by default.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 29, 2015 3:22:03 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't like it when Chris died without any explanation either.
Which's why I would've preferred he went back to the future or rather his soul did merging with baby Chris's who was now adult Chris instead of going to heaven as he died outside his timeline and he lived his life there with Wyatt who was good now which we'd see at the end and no other offsprings since there weren't any known of at the time showcasing Chris's mission had worked as bringing him back to life wouldn't have been an option if he could've have been because of Inspector Sheridan and the police outside who would've questioned that obviously seeing his wound beforehand.
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Post by adzpower on Jun 29, 2015 4:25:09 GMT -5
Chris' death was complicated, I mean, yes he was stabbed, but I always found it strange how he just faded away into thin air.
None of the other witches died like that, not Prue, not Patty, no one.
So I always kind of saw it as yes, he died, but that wasn't why he faded away.
He faded away because that version of Chris no longer existed, he faded out of existence like in Courtship of Wyatt's Father because the timeline had been changed and he had done his job. Him dying gave Leo the nerve to go after Gideon. Job done. So he faded from existence.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 29, 2015 4:57:49 GMT -5
Chris' death was complicated, I mean, yes he was stabbed, but I always found it strange how he just faded away into thin air. None of the other witches died like that, not Prue, not Patty, no one. So I always kind of saw it as yes, he died, but that wasn't why he faded away. He faded away because that version of Chris no longer existed, he faded out of existence like in Courtship of Wyatt's Father because the timeline had been changed and he had done his job. Him dying gave Leo the nerve to go after Gideon. Job done. So he faded from existence. I do agree that Chris faded because the timeline that he was part of could no longer be - his death led to Leo becoming a mortal, not an Elder - but I don't agree that he faded because he did his job. After all, Wyatt still turned evil in Season Seven, and I believe that despite "Forever Piper", I mean "Forever Crap", I mean "Forever Charmed" (which I still think is just Piper's delusion after she almost dies after the explosion in "Kill Billie, Vol 2" - no way I believe that each of the sisters lived sappily ever after, married with three kids -- that's just too barfy for words. Despite the comics, I'll always believe that Leo put up with Piper for just so long and finally took his sons and left his shrew of his wife who never remarried, that Phoebe left Coop as soon as she had Ladybug and never remarried, and that Henry left because he got scared off by the magic before he and Paige had any kids and she never remarried, so although all three lived happily as single women - they were all happiest and their least-self-centered when they weren't in a relationship - none of them lived sappily ever after.), Wyatt will *always* turn evil unless Piper does the right thing and binds his powers - absolute power corrupts absolutely. Wyatt should be the Halliwell with no powers. If anyone is going to live happily ever after, he'd still have magic - perhaps he becomes the potion-maker/spell-writer of the future - but absolutely no powers. Naturally, to Piper, she'd want a life where each of them are sappily married and Wyatt and Chris continue the Charmed tradition, but that would just be a delusion, nothing else makes much sense given the Charmed Ones we saw in Season 8. No, all of the lives Chris changed by being in the past for OVER A YEAR (he never should've stayed longer than a few days, which was as much Leo's and the other Elders' fault as anyone else) was a total waste, particularly once the Charmed Ones knew what his mission was. As soon as they found out, that's when they should've sent him home, letting THEM be the ones to fix their future. |
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Post by tim66 on Jun 29, 2015 5:56:37 GMT -5
Forever Charmed is indeed "barfy", Es. Unfortunately, it happened, it's canon, including that dammed flash forward that has caused so much grief for Fan Fiction writers, the comics included. Had the comics depicted anything else happening, well, they wouldn't be set in the canon Charmedverse anymore, but in an AU. Like all post series Fan Fictions, the comics have no choice but to acknowledge Forever Charmed and the flash forward.
Does that suck? You bet it does. As I have said, that flash forward could have easily been left on the cutting room floor. The comics certainly would have a lot more creative wiggle room if it had been. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 29, 2015 11:36:25 GMT -5
But if wouldn't be canon if a movie comes out that shows that "Forever Charmed" was nothing but Piper's delusion for 10 years and she's just waking up now. Until that movie comes out, which would be canon rather than the comics, I'll believe that that's what happened.
Of course, if I had my way, Piper would wake up to find that S4-8 never existed and she still has a living older sister and never had to be the leader, and that she was pregnant and while in her coma gave birth to a girl name Melinda, but that's probably asking.
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Post by BettyN on Jun 29, 2015 11:53:39 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't like it when Chris died without any explanation either. Which's why I would've preferred he went back to the future or rather his soul did merging with baby Chris's who was now adult Chris instead of going to heaven as he died outside his timeline and he lived his life there with Wyatt who was good now which we'd see at the end and no other offsprings since there weren't any known of at the time showcasing Chris's mission had worked as bringing him back to life wouldn't have been an option if he could've have been because of Inspector Sheridan and the police outside who would've questioned that obviously seeing his wound beforehand. I wish we could've seen that, too. That entire episode could've been done FAR differently. But if wouldn't be canon if a movie comes out that shows that "Forever Charmed" was nothing but Piper's delusion for 10 years and she's just waking up now. Until that movie comes out, which would be canon rather than the comics, I'll believe that that's what happened. Oh, how I WISH that would happen, but the chances are slim. At this point, we're more likely to see another reboot attempt. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 29, 2015 11:59:32 GMT -5
You're probably right. BUT say that Shannen, Holly, Alyssa and Brian (and maybe Julian since Shannen is???) wanted to be part of a reunion movie and Rose and Kern didn't....Maybe get Paul Ruditis to write the script...oh, would Es be in Charmed heaven!
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Post by tim66 on Jun 29, 2015 16:02:52 GMT -5
The chances of seeing any continuation of the 1998-2006 incarnation of Charmed is slim to none. The comics are probably as close as that will ever get.
What I would like to see is a cast reunion show. Where the cast get together and discuss their memories of making the show. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 29, 2015 16:24:47 GMT -5
I have a hunch that's even less likely.
If they ever do a reunion TV-movie (and I doubt Rose will ever agree to that), then when the DVD comes out, they might have something like that as an extra.
But just that on an actual show where they'd have to discuss what truly happened during Season Three? No, I truly don't think we'll ever see that.
Now one of those movies where they show what happened during that time but the actors are played by someone else, that I'd love to see and is definitely possible. The problem is that like so many of those shows, it's usually produced by one of the actors who has an axe to grind, and again, there's no saying how much is the truth.
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Post by tim66 on Jun 29, 2015 17:15:48 GMT -5
I would love to hear the full story on what happened. I mean you don't often hear of the lead star of a show getting axed without getting the full story why. When Charlie Sheen got canned from Two And A Half Men in 2011, we got the full story how and why it happened (such as Charlie's insane "Winning" rants).
I've seen a couple of those. I wonder how they get away with it. I mean most of the original actors portrayed in these things are still alive. They can easily say "That's NOT what happened!" |
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Post by BettyN on Jun 29, 2015 20:44:11 GMT -5
I have a hunch that's even less likely. If they ever do a reunion TV-movie (and I doubt Rose will ever agree to that), then when the DVD comes out, they might have something like that as an extra. But just that on an actual show where they'd have to discuss what truly happened during Season Three? No, I truly don't think we'll ever see that. You seriously think that?!? A scripted reunion would actually require producers and writers who are interested in the idea, and I don't think there's anyone who is, especially not with the way Kern left the show. A cast reunion, on the other hand, is something that the actors, themselves, could throw together. They wouldn't have to talk about what happened behind the scenes of Season 3 (just like the 90210 reunion from 2003 didn't get into what happened between Shannen Doherty and Jennie Garth), and to be honest, it was so long ago that they probably don't even care anymore. Shannen and Alyssa have long since made up. Of course, the possible feud that's ignited between Holly and Alyssa in more recent years could prevent them from getting together, but they could probably tolerate each other long enough for a reunion if the rest of the cast was there. They would have to sit next to each other or even speak to each other. (Again, I refer back to the 90210 reunion. Shannen was still on bad terms with Jennie when it was done, and yet, they still put their issues aside and got together. They didn't sit next to each other and they hardly spoke to each other, with Luke Perry sitting between them and acting as a moderator.) |
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Post by adzpower on Jun 30, 2015 4:08:51 GMT -5
Please people, lets not talk about Forever Charmed, a sorry excuse piece of crap television, the cheesiest, most awful snooze-fest I have ever had the misfortune to watch in my entire life.
The finale of a show about sisterhood and how they work together with 2/3 of the sisters dead for half of it and it being completely Piper-centric. Even down to the last scene. They could have at least bought Prue back to guide Piper through the timelines.
But anyway, I digress, must focus on season six lol.
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Post by tim66 on Jun 30, 2015 6:22:31 GMT -5
I'd like to see that. Just hearing the cast reminisce about making the show. It would be fun to watch.
The reason for that is because Rose was shooting Grindhouse and Alyssa needed time off for family issues. So both their characters had to be temporarily killed off. Yeah, this was their Grand Finale and they should have been there, but, sometimes life throws one a curveball. That is why Penny and Patty were dragged into this mess.
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Post by BettyN on Jun 30, 2015 12:00:15 GMT -5
Please people, lets not talk about Forever Charmed, a sorry excuse piece of crap television, the cheesiest, most awful snooze-fest I have ever had the misfortune to watch in my entire life. The finale of a show about sisterhood and how they work together with 2/3 of the sisters dead for half of it and it being completely Piper-centric. Even down to the last scene. They could have at least bought Prue back to guide Piper through the timelines. But anyway, I digress, must focus on season six lol. THANK YOU. For a long time I thought I was alone in thinking that "Forever Charmed" was the show's absolute WORST episode ever. I'd explain why, but I'll save it for another time.  Anyways, back to Season 6. What are some things you would've changed about the season? 1. More Chris. His story is kept consistent, and is allowed to develop at a natural pace. If it had to continue into Season 7, so be it. No killing him off without closure. 2. No filler garbage like "Witchstock," "Used Karma," and "Hyde School Reunion." 3. No fairytale fluff. Stoopid Majickal Kreatures and Not!warts, be gone! 4. Paige regains IQ points and returns to social work. She meets Henry around this time and slowly develops a relationship with him. 5. No Empathy powers for Phoebe. She also doesn't lose her powers, nor does she go on a hunt for a baby daddy. If she must be some superstar advice columnist, her job needs to be a way for her to find innocents. (Like in, I hate to admit it, the mermaid episode.) No more PhoeMe/Freebie. 6. Piper and Leo stay together (and Leo remains a whitelighter), and Piper returns to being the heart of the family and doesn't become a selfish bitch. She also binds Wyatt's powers and doesn't conceive Chris until MUCH later on. 7. Neither the sisters or Chris murder anybody. 8. Premiere episode is about Chris and his story, not the sisters in sexy costumes. 9. Zankou turns Wyatt instead of Gideon. Better to have an intelligent villain with motives that make sense. 10. Chris' story is tied into that of the sisters, somehow. Preventing his dark future from happening means saving the world, not just Wyatt or the Halliwells. Anyone else? |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 30, 2015 13:56:37 GMT -5
You've said a lot that I would've done Betty so haven't really much to add except.
1: I'd have Phoebe still get empathy 'cause I liked the idea of it and the fact it fit with her premontions just not the execution of it though.
The power if done properly would be emotion based only so no channeling powers which would make Phoebe get in touch with innocents again 'cause she can really feel them now including her advice givers whom she'd help a lot with more like someone who's suffering domestic violence for e.g.
2: Either no magic school or only there for 1 year then burnt done and if so have a proper explanation why it was created firstly.
3: Better storyline for Gideon and why he wanted to kill Wyatt then than what he did originally like telling Piper and Leo his concerns first.
4: Have Chris be nicer and given a real reason why he hated Leo.
And finally 5: Not have Paige and Phoebe butt into each others lives every so often.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 14:58:04 GMT -5
1. More Chris. As I said, it was his story that kept the fans coming back this season. 2. No second rate Deanna Troi, thank you. Phoebe's empathy was a waste of time. 3. No Not!warts, I wish I could have Cthulhu stomp the place flat.  4. No Magical Community, those things ruined Charmed's credibility for lot of people, me included. 5. No rubbish episodes like Witchstock, Used Karma, Hyde School Reunion, etc. Just how much of Chris's story could have been developed further if they had not wasted time with these horrible episodes. 6. Piper and Leo do NOT split up. Piper dating, no thank you, we don't need Freebie Mark II. 7. A better premier episode than something that would be more at home on America's Next Top Model. That's all I have for now. |
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Post by adzpower on Jun 30, 2015 14:59:29 GMT -5
I feel like Chris' storyline would have worked better if they worked it into the episode. Like say each episode have him flashback to a dark event in his future, and we can see how it links to the current timeline with an evil the sisters are facing.
I would have liked to have seen a lot more of the dark future.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 30, 2015 17:34:13 GMT -5
I feel like Chris' storyline would have worked better if they worked it into the episode. Like say each episode have him flashback to a dark event in his future, and we can see how it links to the current timeline with an evil the sisters are facing. I would have liked to have seen a lot more of the dark future. That's something I would suggested also or you could've had Phoebe get dream visions of various different bits of Chris's future tidbits as you'd call it which don't reveal everything but enough to have kept you going till 'Chris Crossed' when you'd find out the truth which Chris could've then confirmed in 'Prince Charmed'. This's something similar that'll happen with my own fan fiction character future wise actually although I haven't written it down yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 17:40:42 GMT -5
I agree. That dark future needed much more than one episode to explore it.
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