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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 23:05:10 GMT -5
Science Fiction tends to mesh the two together. Sliders seemed to lean towards the idea of parallel universes existing side by side, but totally independent of each other. While nearly identical, things are different than in Reality Prime. One reality has the Russians winning the Cold War and taking over North American, another has the Americans losing their Revolution, etc. An alternate time line, on the other hand, is, IMO, created when someone travels back in time and changes the past, such as helping Germany win World War II. That new time line branches off from Reality Prime and remains in existence until someone else goes back and undoes the change in time. Said time line is then itself wiped out. That is why the Piper from the future where Phoebe and Paige died disappeared when she prevented Phoebe from saving Miles. Her time line was wiped out, therefore she was wiped out along with it. Ditto for the Season Six Chris. His future ceased to exist, and so did he. The closest Charmed got to a parallel universe is the mirror world in It's A Bad, Bad, World. My Rex and Hannah story, World Of Darkness, also embraced this concept as I sent R&H into a world where the U.S. is a Fascist dictatorship. Since this is all theory, there really is no "correct" answer. To me this would suggest that whilst one's path can allow for many variable routes to be taken, there is some notion of 'Destiny' or an 'end goal' - e.g. even though parallel universes are very different from each other, due to the choices made by their inhabitants, they are still 'on course' for certain events to happen. I think of this idea in relation to Leo being frozen and how the Charmed Ones were still able to stop the Ultimate Power without him having to die. If that was the case, does that mean Season 8 from Vaya Con Leos is a parallel universe, and that Reality Prime is the universe in which Leo did indeed die? Although of course, Chris' coming back from the future would mean that S6 in an alternate timeline surely? So I guess during 'It's a Bad Bad World' when Chris ceased to exist, the timeline was corrected? Would you say these 2 are examples of alternate timelines as well: 1). Cole, as an Avatar, 'erasing' Paige from existence in Season 5 and making Phoebe his wife once more. Paige brought about the end of this timeline when she had Cole killed. 2). Piper and Leo jumping through time in Forever Charmed, and when they returned to Reality Prime Piper 'caught up' with herself, therefore ending the alternate timelines she had created. Am I on the right track?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 0:31:23 GMT -5
For the most part, Charmed took place in Reality Prime. The future we saw in Chris Crossed was one of many possible futures, but it was subsequently wiped out. It never happened.
Yes, they were, and they were wiped out. Like the future we saw in Chris Crossed, they never happened.
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Post by sol on Nov 25, 2015 13:10:52 GMT -5
So would Bo Lightfeather's time-loop be considered an alternate reality (much like the sisters' desire worlds from 'My Three Witches')? Bo Lightfeather's time-loop was broken so the time has begun to flow in a different timeline The reality of My Three Witches isa magic dream created by a demon As I wrote, the subject of parallel timelines is a classic of science fiction that is also becoming a mathematical reality, there are scientific evidence For this reason I believe there are a lot of different timeline in Charmed, a feast for the writers of fanfic! In Charmed there are different timeline but there is also the role of the magic: Tempus isn’t a tipical science fiction characters, he’s an upper level demon so he can, in contrast to the series of science fiction, rewind time He doesn’t change the past, it’s impossible, he rewinds time So in Déjà vu,there is only a timeline Morality Bites is a different timeline, and the so-called Present Time - the time of the narrative- is born when Prue , after seeing the future self, lonely and workaholic woman , understands that she cannot give in to bitterness and should strengthen the bond with her sisters Chris timeline has not disappeared, Leo and Chris, once understood who was after Wyatt, have originated a different Present Time In Forever Charmed, it’is still the magic to create a different situation from the classic science fiction tradition: the fake Power of Three – can’t stand Piper-Patty-Penny as Power of Three- prevents the time to go ahead and erase what has been Regarding the timeline that the Avatars created for Cole, I think it’s not a creation but a different timeline again: Prue died, Piper freaked out, Paige was killed and Cole became the Source, maybe in the time he and Phoebe were in the Underworld, threatened by the Source and Phoebe settled to stay at his side, for Piper's safety
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Post by Chrisaholic on Nov 28, 2015 10:47:54 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Avatars could reset time. Start anew if wanted what Leo did unintentionally in S7, episode 9. Don't know the title of it but there it was done. And that's what all Avatars did when undoing Utopia. It was in the end like it never happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 19:21:36 GMT -5
You're right, Jana, they could. Mind you, it took a lot of energy, but they could do it nonetheless.
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 1, 2015 11:38:45 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Avatars could reset time. Start anew if wanted what Leo did unintentionally in S7, episode 9. Don't know the title of it but there it was done. And that's what all Avatars did when undoing Utopia. It was in the end like it never happened. I don't think they'ld be able to reset whatever time, they erased the false reality that they created Centennial Charmed Cole: Then that's why for now. Which means I assume, that I can use these powers to manipulate, say, time? Reality even? Avatar: Understand, Cole, these powers are not meant to be used for personal vendettas. They're meant to be used with others like us. To shape a future we control. The Avatars manipulate reality, not the time, in fact Cole isn't successful in making his world customised, only he and Phobe, but rushes in a timeline where the Source killed Paige before she'ld know her sisters, Piper is out of it and Phoebe doesn't love him more
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 0:50:17 GMT -5
The Avatars COULD roll back time. They did it in when they undid their Utopia. However, they could only roll it back so far, because it took a lot of energy (which is why they couldn't roll it back far enough for Kyle to be saved).
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 2, 2015 2:23:49 GMT -5
There is no reason to believe that the Avatars have Tempus's power, their ability is manipulation of reality
Alpha: The spell will put everyone to sleep. But only for a few hours. Just long enough to erase the mindset of duality. Of good and evil. Gamma: To allow the original design, that which every human being has imprinted in their hearts, to take hold. Alpha: Utopia
They changed the humans, not the time and they needed a magic partnership
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 7:40:22 GMT -5
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing, Erikamarie, but I'm afraid you don't get the cash reward, but we do have some lovely parting gifts.
I present the following from Wikipedia. Please note that bits I have bolded:
They rewound time, plain and simple. Case closed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 8:15:26 GMT -5
Cole described the Avatars' powers as 'unlimited' in Season 5, meaning there is nothing they can't do, basically, but there powers are exhaustible, so they can't do everything all the time. It's basically the same as Wyatt and Billie's projection power, but in collective form.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Dec 3, 2015 10:47:12 GMT -5
The Avatars undid their own Utopia and brought the people's mindset back to what it always has been. Torn between good and evil. That's why the people started shouting again when it was rewinded. Without it, they helped each other. Just look at the episodes!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 12:20:15 GMT -5
Basically, they rewound time back to the beginning of their Utopia.
That's why characters we saw eliminated in the Utopia were back, because, in a sense, Utopia never happened (since time was rewound back to before it started).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 15:07:47 GMT -5
I think the Avatars were lying about not being able to bring back Kyle, in that case. As Paige said, how was it that they could bring back everyone they'd killed, but not Kyle? They just wanted to stick the knife in and not completely give in to the sisters' demands. Further, it kind of looks as if the Elders made Kyle a Whitelighter as petty retaliation to the Avatars.
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Post by sol on Dec 4, 2015 2:20:20 GMT -5
I think the Avatars were lying about not being able to bring back Kyle, in that case. As Paige said, how was it that they could bring back everyone they'd killed, but not Kyle? They just wanted to stick the knife in and not completely give in to the sisters' demands. Further, it kind of looks as if the Elders made Kyle a Whitelighter as petty retaliation to the Avatars. I agree, Avatars were the creator of their fake reality, they had the power to call off what they did, so they could bring back Kyle, even though I was very happy they didn't ! I agree also with Erika, to rewind the time is a Tempus privilege, Avatar are more powerful,in a more complex way: they, as the Avatara, emanations of Vishnu in the form of cosmic officer, to make Utopia intervened on mind structure of people, to generate a docile humanity But they weren't able to rewind time for Cole, to send him before Paige went to Prue funeral, they simply opened the door to a parallel reality, where Paige had died but Cole was the Source and being the Source was the cause ofhis problems with Phoebe, not Paige
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 3:11:24 GMT -5
I think the Avatars were lying about not being able to bring back Kyle, in that case. As Paige said, how was it that they could bring back everyone they'd killed, but not Kyle? They just wanted to stick the knife in and not completely give in to the sisters' demands. Further, it kind of looks as if the Elders made Kyle a Whitelighter as petty retaliation to the Avatars. I agree, Avatars were the creator of their fake reality, they had the power to call off what they did, so they could bring back Kyle, even though I was very happy they didn't ! I agree also with Erika, to rewind the time is a Tempus privilege, Avatar are more powerful,in a more complex way: they, as the Avatara, emanations of Vishnu in the form of cosmic officer, to make Utopia intervened on mind structure of people, to generate a docile humanity But they weren't able to rewind time for Cole, to send him before Paige went to Prue funeral, they simply opened the door to a parallel reality, where Paige had died but Cole was the Source and being the Source was the cause ofhis problems with Phoebe, not Paige Very good point, Sol. The Avatars didn't really rewind time at all for Cole, but merely created an alternate timeline. I suppose you could argue that Cole indadvertently did this himself - perhaps because he was an inexperienced Avatar. Maybe the Elders simply cannot reverse time beyond 24/48 hours?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 18:23:46 GMT -5
How about a parallel universe where Wicca Envy ended differently.
1. Rex and Hannah still get the sisters to give them their powers. However, R&H decide to let the sisters live. R&H depart, leaving the sister holding the bag, and that murder charge still hanging over Prue's head. Without R&H, she had no way to prove her innocence.
2. White lighters do not exist in this reality, so no deus ex machina solution.
The sisters must seek out a way to recover their powers, while at the same time, staying one step ahead of the cops. Kind of The Fugitive vibe going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 18:46:04 GMT -5
How about a parallel universe where Wicca Envy ended differently. 1. Rex and Hannah still get the sisters to give them their powers. However, R&H decide to let the sisters live. R&H depart, leaving the sister holding the bag, and that murder charge still hanging over Prue's head. Without R&H, she had no way to prove her innocence. 2. White lighters do not exist in this reality, so no deus ex machina solution. The sisters must seek out a way to recover their powers, while at the same time, staying one step ahead of the cops. Kind of The Fugitive vibe going on here. Oh, now THAT would've been interesting. To think, the sisters might've actually been forced to use their brains to get themselves out of a mess instead of relying on the resident orbing deus ex machina to save them. This could've easily been a multi-episode arc, which is fine with me, as "Wicca Envy" was followed by some pretty lame episodes ( "Feats of Clay," "The Wendigo," "Secrets and Guys").
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:37:14 GMT -5
Phoebe: Use our brains!? Oh noes!
Yeah, that would have been good. Of course, in the end, the sisters would get their powers back and Prue would be cleared of murder. However, R&H would escape to fight another day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 23:54:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that would have been good. Of course, in the end, the sisters would get their powers back and Prue would be cleared of murder. However, R&H would escape to fight another day. Even from the very beginning, the show was letting good opportunities slip by. They really didn't know just how many great potential storylines they had with R&H. I wonder how many of the weaker episodes and storylines from Seasons 1 and 2 could've been jettisoned for that?
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Post by ljones on Feb 14, 2016 0:11:44 GMT -5
I've been using this concept in my series of alternate universe "CHARMED" stories, as well.
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