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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 7:20:29 GMT -5
Do you think multiverses/alternate timelines are a thing in Charmed?
Cole created one where he and Phoebe were still married. Also, Paige was killed in that timeline.
There's Chris's alternate future where the Charmed Ones were vanquished and Wyatt ruled the world.
We have the alternate timeline where older Phoebe claimed she didn't marry Cole.
Then there's the alternate future where Prue is still alive & blonde, Piper has a daughter, and Phoebe is a convict.
There are a few more like the one with that warlock Bakora or whatever his name was.
Why I'm unsure myself is because most of the alternate timelines/alternate futures were hinted to have stopped existing as soon as the problem of the day was corrected so they technically wouldn't count as an alternate timeline just a temporary glitch in the main one.
So I ask you the fans, do you think multiverses are a thing?
Keep in mind the only alternate universe confirmed to exist alongside the main one is the mirror world where everything good is evil and everything evil is good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 11:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by sol on Oct 20, 2015 12:16:07 GMT -5
If you believe in the theory of parallel universes, all these realities'ld coexist
My friend Xenia, who is doing a doctorate in quantum physics, studies the gravitons, the only ones able to jump from one universe to another, she is sure of their esistance
If we accept the idea of parallel universes, applying it to Charmed:
-Chris isn't dead and baby Chris is a different person, the Chris from the future, causing a new timeline, got back, wounded, in the Manor of his time
-Bacarra is from a timeline in which Cole is still the Sorce, so it'ld be the same timeline of old Phoebe
- Morality Bites universe is the most involving: Phoebe met Cole in that timeline? Why did Leo and Piper divorced? Prue and Piper'll meet Paige?
The presence of Melinda instead of Wyatt is easily explained, Wyatt was born two months premature and the day of his birth has led him to be the special Twice Blessed child
If Piper was less stressed, Melinda was born after the regular nine months and not the special day, so she is a normal Warren witch
Cole's universe was a particular creation, maybe they were linked and that timeline was wiped out with him
Fascinating question, blacklighter!
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Post by adzpower on Oct 20, 2015 13:21:50 GMT -5
I think they exist in Charmed for one sole reason. Centennial Charmed.
When Cole created that world where P3 was never reconstituted. The actual world that Paige came from continued existing while she was gone, with Piper wondering where Paige had been all day.
However as with a lot of things in Charmed its rather difficult to determine the truth since there are so many continuity errors and mistakes made throughout the show. The future where Piper has a daughter and Prue is blonde for example was not a parallel world, it was their own future if they'd continued on that path of punishing the guilty, once they learned their lesson, they returned to the past and the future was altered by their decision to remain protectors of the innocent. Once they returned to the past I'm guessing this future wiped itself from existence.
Chris' dark future again, was not a parallel world, it was their future had nobody rescued Wyatt from evil, once the saving had been completed, that future no longer existed, instead we get the cheesy one at the end of Forever Ruined. Hence why Chris vanished from existence after his future had been changed.
I think Centennial Charmed is the only episode that features a legit parallel world, the rest that deal with different futures are just what the current timeline could become as each new threat presents itself. The Charmed Ones work to remove said threat, so their future is changed once again.
I would have loved to have seen more Parallel world stories though, I'm a total sucker for stories like that and seeing alternate versions of characters. Anyone seen the show Fringe? It deals with that kind of thing for most of its run.
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Post by sol on Oct 20, 2015 14:26:35 GMT -5
I don't agree
The dark future is the original future, Chris tried to find the agent that turned Wyatta and only when he fulfilled his goal, the new future split from the original
I have some doubts about the timeline of Morality Bites , it was a real timeline or something created by the Elders?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 17:05:19 GMT -5
I think some tend to get parallel universes and alternate time lines mixed up. Mind you, it can get confusing. A parallel universe is one that exists alongside the Reality Prime one. The Mirror Universe of Star Trek comes to mind here (where Spock had a beard). This universe exists independent of Reality Prime, meaning that event in Reality Prime have no effect on it. This is the premise I used for my Rex and Hannah story. The parallel continuum was already there when R&H arrived, it had always been there. An alternate time line is created when someone goes back and changes the past. However, when the past is corrected, that time line ceases to exist. In the Star Trek episode, City On The Edge of Forever, McCoy is accidentally transported back to Earth of the 1930's. He changes the past that allows Germany to win World War II and the future that Kirk and Co. know ceased to exist. When Kirk and Spock go back and stop McCoy, the change McCoy made is undone and the future returns to normal. If course, since all this in theoretical, we may all be wrong here  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 20, 2015 17:34:35 GMT -5
It all depends upon definition. And unfortunately, since Charmed did every time travel episode with different rules, it's nearly impossible to tell what each of those different universes were. They might be alternate ones (like Morality Bites); they might be parallel ones (like the one in It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World); they might be multiverses (like the Charmed Centennial one), even that one where Piper and Leo conceived Chris could be counted as a different universe and/or a different timeline - which also gets awful messed up. Personally I think Chris just set up an everlasting time loop where he will keep gong back when he's 21 and do the same thing over and over and over again for eternity (remembering that I count "Forever Charmed" as Piper's delusion as she either dies or is in a coma for ten years after the Kill Billie, Vol 2 explosion), which is different from the other ones like That Seventies Episode or All Halliwell's Eve, because those were under the auspices of the Elders who could see the big picture, unlike Chris who just did it on his own to make the world better for him and Bianca - who cares about anyone else - just like the sisters in Charmaggedon - he sure didn't.
The Morality Bites future I definitely think is an alternate one made up by the Elders to try to teach the Charmed Ones the lesson they never learned.
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Post by West on Oct 20, 2015 20:32:46 GMT -5
It does depend, since Charmed's rules changed so often. But yes I believe there are multiverses in Charmed.
Lets not forget time loops, however those had time being reset, so I dont think Deja Vu or All Hells Breaks loose counts. Buts its fun to think if they didn't use Tempus if there is a world where Piper is dead, and Prue and Phoebe are left in a world with magic exposed, much like a world where only Prue is alive after her sisters are dead in the season 1 final.
But yeah timelines and changing events and time travel always does my head in. I always can get confused by all the rules, since its different in every show or movie.
On that note I get confused by the rules of dark future with Chris. Going back in time and changing the events that killed the charmed ones. Its like if you can change the past and Chris can undo his future, whats stopping a future Piper going into the past and stopping the events that lead to Prue's death. She could basically change the events, and everything after All Hell Breaks Loose is gone. If Future Chris can do it, then any of the charmed ones can change fate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 23:34:32 GMT -5
The Flash is doing a multiverse this season.
We have Jay Garrick from Earth-2. This reminds of the DC Universe of my youth. Earth-1 was where all the modern heroes were, and Earth-2 was where their World War II era incarnations were.
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Post by West on Oct 20, 2015 23:50:06 GMT -5
I know the multiverse is different and interesting. Only I think Flash will make it less confusing than Charmed.
I'd love to read a fan fiction on this concept, where there's a charmed multiverse where Prue is alive, but her sisters are dead. So when the two worlds crossover, multiverse Prue reunites with Phoebe and Piper in the regular universe.
Are there any multiverse stories on Charmed out there?
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Post by Sadrick on Oct 21, 2015 0:40:41 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that there are indeed different universes, and possibly different timelines within each of the universes as well. In each and every one you have one possible variable that could end up having drastically different outcomes thanks to the butterfly effect. In some branches, one of the sisters is deceased, whereas in another all three are gone.
Personally, I think it would have been interesting to see how Prue reacts to being the only sister left standing following Rodriguez's attack. She's always been the protective motherly figure who would do anything for her family. Could you imagine the blow that would have to her emotional and psychological stability if she lost both Phoebe and Piper? I could see her maybe managing to hold on to her sanity if Piper survived as well. There would incredible amounts of grief and self-deprecation because of what happened to Phoebe, but she could pull through thanks to the support of her other sister. Without that? She might very well go off the deep end and slaughter every demon, warlock, or Darklighter she can get her hands on. Her heart would become so hardened and enraged that I'm guessing the carnage she leaves behind her would make even her future self and leather-clad centennial Piper go pale in comparison.
A world where only Prue and Leo are left to continue the fight sounds dark, very dark. I'm not sure how she would be able to vanquish those like the Dark Brotherhood or the Source. Even with all of her experience and powers from 2009, it seems far-fetched that she could accomplish that which required the entire Halliwell line plus the Power of Three to kill.
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Post by sol on Oct 21, 2015 1:30:45 GMT -5
Alternate history, parallel worlds, literature and cinema have often dealt with this theme, I loved What Mad Universe of Frederick Brown and The Gods Themselves of Isaac Asimov and I loved the way JJ Abrams has started a new series of Star Trek, neither reboot nor prequel, and, speaking of series, I loved Fringe
As I wrote, even many scientists believe, based on nonconformity gravity and mathematical anomalies, that parallel worlds could exist
I am unsure if Morality Bites'ld be a Prime One Reality but I'm sure that Chris altered time when Leo found out who was trying to kill Wyatt, giving place to a new chain of events
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Post by adzpower on Oct 21, 2015 4:19:22 GMT -5
A good idea for a fan fic would be if Prue was left alone after Deja Vu and found Paige, and in the main universe after All Hell Breaks Loose Phoebe and Piper are alone there as The Source gets to their version of Paige before them. The two pairs then come together somehow.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2015 6:29:22 GMT -5
Alternate history, parallel worlds, literature and cinema have often dealt with this theme, I loved What Mad Universe of Frederick Brown and The Gods Themselves of Isaac Asimov and I loved the way JJ Abrams has started a new series of Star Trek, neither reboot nor prequel, and, speaking of series, I loved Fringe As I wrote, even many scientists believe, based on nonconformity gravity and mathematical anomalies, that parallel worlds could exist I am unsure if Morality Bites'ld be a Prime One Reality but I'm sure that Chris altered time when Leo found out who was trying to kill Wyatt, giving place to a new chain of events No, that didn't set up a new chain of events because Wyatt still came back as Evil Wyatt in "Imaginary Fiends" - Chris did nothing to save Wyatt in S6, because it wasn't Gideon who did it - it was Vicus. What happened in "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World" would've happened anyway, just someone else would've saved Wyatt, just like Paige would have still been saved in "Oh, My Goddess!" even if Chris didn't show up. Nothing Chris did really changed anything except him stuck in an everlasting time loop. That's how horribly the end of S5 along with S6 and S7 were thought out... Thank God fanfics did it better. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2015 6:35:05 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that there are indeed different universes, and possibly different timelines within each of the universes as well. In each and every one you have one possible variable that could end up having drastically different outcomes thanks to the butterfly effect. In some branches, one of the sisters is deceased, whereas in another all three are gone. Personally, I think it would have been interesting to see how Prue reacts to being the only sister left standing following Rodriguez's attack. She's always been the protective motherly figure who would do anything for her family. Could you imagine the blow that would have to her emotional and psychological stability if she lost both Phoebe and Piper? I could see her maybe managing to hold on to her sanity if Piper survived as well. There would incredible amounts of grief and self-deprecation because of what happened to Phoebe, but she could pull through thanks to the support of her other sister. Without that? She might very well go off the deep end and slaughter every demon, warlock, or Darklighter she can get her hands on. Her heart would become so hardened and enraged that I'm guessing the carnage she leaves behind her would make even her future self and leather-clad centennial Piper go pale in comparison. A world where only Prue and Leo are left to continue the fight sounds dark, very dark. I'm not sure how she would be able to vanquish those like the Dark Brotherhood or the Source. Even with all of her experience and powers from 2009, it seems far-fetched that she could accomplish that which required the entire Halliwell line plus the Power of Three to kill. Oh, man, would Shannen Doherty have loved something like that, where she truly would've been the star. But I don't think I would've liked it very much. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 6:59:56 GMT -5
My friend Xenia, who is doing a doctorate in quantum physics, studies the gravitons, the only ones able to jump from one universe to another, she is sure of their esistance That's interesting... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 7:00:50 GMT -5
I would have loved to have seen more Parallel world stories though, I'm a total sucker for stories like that and seeing alternate versions of characters. Anyone seen the show Fringe? It deals with that kind of thing for most of its run. I've seen bits of Fringe here and there. The alternate universe thing is what got me interested in watching it. That and I heard it was similar to the X-Files. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 7:01:30 GMT -5
On that note I get confused by the rules of dark future with Chris. Going back in time and changing the events that killed the charmed ones. Its like if you can change the past and Chris can undo his future, whats stopping a future Piper going into the past and stopping the events that lead to Prue's death. She could basically change the events, and everything after All Hell Breaks Loose is gone. If Future Chris can do it, then any of the charmed ones can change fate. I made a thread a while back saying the exact same thing. The show stressed that the past was set in stone more than once yet they base an entire arc around someone from the future changing the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 7:03:56 GMT -5
The Flash is doing a multiverse this season. We have Jay Garrick from Earth-2. This reminds of the DC Universe of my youth. Earth-1 was where all the modern heroes were, and Earth-2 was where their World War II era incarnations were. Reminds me of an episode of the Spider-man animated series where he met multiple versions of himself. The rich Iron Man-like one was my favorite. I'm saddened they felt the need to de-power Jay Garrick but I guess they had to or else the story would be solved rather quickly. |
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Post by adzpower on Oct 21, 2015 8:29:19 GMT -5
Slightly off topic here but what I thought would have been cool is if when a Charmed One dies, the dead sisters' power gets transferred to the remaining two, not necessarily said sisters active powers, but their general witch and Charmed power, boosting the remaining sisters and speeding up the growth of their own active powers. Meaning the power of 3 is intact, its just split over two people instead of three. And then if a second one bites it all the power gets transferred to the remaining sister.
I dunno, I always thought if they couldn't have found a replacement for Shannen they could have done something like that.
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