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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 6:17:32 GMT -5
Why do you think Bacarra and old Phoebe are from the same timeline? Didn't Bacarra's timeline disappear as soon Piper got her past self to make Phoebe go the other way instead of saving her new beau's life over and over again? I agree that the old Phoebe who didn't marry Cole is an alternate timeline still in existence alongside the main one. But I think Bacarra's is a separate one entirely. Unless I'm missing/forgetting something. I haven't re-watched those episodes in a long time. Sorry if I step back but I spent the weekend in my Salamanca and I didn't read it It wasn't Bacarra's timeline to disappear but Piper's timeline, that frightful day in which she lost her sisters Bacarra didn't have to come back because Cole didn't have to ask him so their timeline went one peacefully Okay your theory makes sense to me now. I haven't seen that episode in a while so I wasn't sure if Bacarra's timeline was erased or if it had anything at all to do with the fact that Phoebe kept saving her new boyfriend's life. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 6:17:58 GMT -5
I just thought of a new timeline we got to visit for one episode(thanks to the writers inconsistencies.)
Remember Grams mentioning having the witch talk with Piper even tho she and her sisters were raised with their powers bound and had no idea magic was apart of their lineage until their late 20's. Or how about Piper's flashback of Grams vanquishing a demon then Victor & Penny fighting about it afterward. Either alternate timeline or repressed memory. I think alternate timeline makes more sense.
I had also thought Forever Charmed could potentially count as an alternate timeline based on the angel of destiny telling Piper that originally Leo was supposed to die and that would motivate the Charmed Ones to defeat the ultimate power. But I forgot the angel of destiny showed up at the end and told Piper that Forever Charmed was supposed to happen the way it did(in the episode) all along.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Oct 31, 2015 7:21:03 GMT -5
Good points, blacklighter. Those things are true if you look at the earlier seasons and what was told later on. Some wouldn't make sense in that way but Charmed showed as well that it could contradict itself. I mean, how many versions of the future did we see?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 17:15:26 GMT -5
I guess one could say that an Alternate Time Line was created by the events of That 70's Show.
The sisters clearly changed the past, since the ring was no longer blessed when they got back to 1999 and were able to vanquish Nicholas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 0:05:44 GMT -5
I had also thought Forever Charmed could potentially count as an alternate timeline based on the angel of destiny telling Piper that originally Leo was supposed to die and that would motivate the Charmed Ones to defeat the ultimate power. But I forgot the angel of destiny showed up at the end and told Piper that Forever Charmed was supposed to happen the way it did(in the episode) all along. Which made absolutely no sense whatsoever. If that had always been the way 'it was supposed to happen' why did the Angel act all aggrieved and defiant when they first summoned her? The chick should've picked up an Oscar for that performance  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 12:31:34 GMT -5
Anyone here see this episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. It takes a good look at the concept of multiverses. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 2, 2015 0:25:33 GMT -5
Was browsing through some older threads and found this and it reminded me of this one. The subject is: "All events after Centennial Charmed happen...." in an alternate timeline.... Saw this at another site and found it interesting. Not sure if I agree with it - I still think the alternate timeline started when Prue died - that in the original one all three survived and Paige (and Wyatt & Chris and Billie & Christy) never showed up (Melinda, who wasn't Twice-Blessed and had no whitelighter powers, just one Warren power, and her cousin Christina (ditto) did...), while Cole was never taken over by the Source and Phoebe was never the Queen of the Underworld or a big media star. But the OP's logic is interesting... How 'bout you? |
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Post by sol on Nov 2, 2015 10:18:55 GMT -5
I had also thought Forever Charmed could potentially count as an alternate timeline based on the angel of destiny telling Piper that originally Leo was supposed to die and that would motivate the Charmed Ones to defeat the ultimate power. But I forgot the angel of destiny showed up at the end and told Piper that Forever Charmed was supposed to happen the way it did(in the episode) all along. Which made absolutely no sense whatsoever. If that had always been the way 'it was supposed to happen' why did the Angel act all aggrieved and defiant when they first summoned her? The chick should've picked up an Oscar for that performance Leo wasn't supposed to die Angel of Destiny said: There's one more battle on the horizon for you three. One unlike you've ever faced before. One you won't see coming and one you may not survive. What does that have to do with Leo? The loss. The pain will motivate you, all of you, to fight, without which you will have no chance to prevail. It was an unwarranted decision of Angel of Destiny, because of this battle that not even the Elders knew anything If Piper's stubbornness hadn't almost forced the Angel of Destiny to mention the threat,the sisters'ld have paid no one attention to Christy's ploys and who better than someone you trust can stab you in the back! In Charmed Forever, Piper and family cancel whatever timeline because they they act before it is evoked the Void while a new timeline borns when you have to choose between several options |
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Post by sol on Nov 2, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -5
Was browsing through some older threads and found this and it reminded me of this one. The subject is: "All events after Centennial Charmed happen...." in an alternate timeline.... Saw this at another site and found it interesting. Not sure if I agree with it - I still think the alternate timeline started when Prue died - that in the original one all three survived and Paige (and Wyatt & Chris and Billie & Christy) never showed up (Melinda, who wasn't Twice-Blessed and had no whitelighter powers, just one Warren power, and her cousin Christina (ditto) did...), while Cole was never taken over by the Source and Phoebe was never the Queen of the Underworld or a big media star. But the OP's logic is interesting... How 'bout you? Tempus has the power to rewind the time so when he intervenes, he deletes any possibility of new timelines Instead, the theory about Centennial Charmed 'ld explain Magic School and the Cleaners Avatars' intrusion'ld have contaminated different timelines, mixing elements of a world where magic hierarchies have a role more commanding than the previous one, likeI told of the an anti-time, a merging of several alternate realities The Tribunal, the Cleaners, the bossy Elders..it makes sense! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 14:27:21 GMT -5
Leo wasn't supposed to die Angel of Destiny said: There's one more battle on the horizon for you three. One unlike you've ever faced before. One you won't see coming and one you may not survive. What does that have to do with Leo? The loss. The pain will motivate you, all of you, to fight, without which you will have no chance to prevail. It was an unwarranted decision of Angel of Destiny, because of this battle that not even the Elders knew anything If Piper's stubbornness hadn't almost forced the Angel of Destiny to mention the threat,the sisters'ld have paid no one attention to Christy's ploys and who better than someone you trust can stab you in the back! In Charmed Forever, Piper and family cancel whatever timeline because they they act before it is evoked the Void while a new timeline borns when you have to choose between several options I know all that but the Angel said in Forever Charmed, "this is the way it was always supposed to end", suggesting the sisters were 'destined' to come to her and get Leo frozen. More sloppy writing basically. My view is that there is no definite timeline or even multiple timelines. I don't even believe in Fate or Destiny as far as Charmed is concerned. Well, obviously the sisters were 'destined' to be the Charmed Ones, but I don't think it was their Fate to vanquish the Source (for example) that was just one of many variables. But I don't believe there are multiple timelines for each variable (i.e. The Charmed Ones vanquish the Source; The Source vanquishes the Charmed Ones; Prue never dies; Paige was never born). I just believe the future changes with every decision the characters make, so it was plain to see that the 'Morality Bites' future would never come to be, because once the sisters had witnessed it they were obviously going to have a changed perspective/make different decisions. |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 2, 2015 17:20:21 GMT -5
Kill Billie Vol 2
ANGEL OF DESTINY: (sadly) The battle is over, though not as I expected.
Forever Charmed
The Angel of Destiny appears with Leo. He and Piper exchange a smile.)
Piper: Okay, hang on a second. You’re not gonna take him away again right?
Angel of Destiny: No, this is the way the battle was supposed to end all along, and it’s over. Congratulations.
Leo wasn't destined to die or to get frozen, the Angel was speaking of the outcome of the battle
The sisters were destined to be the Charmed Ones, but this didn't necessarily involve the duty to defeat the Source or the Triad, they were free to choose what to do: in theory, seeing that they were both the Triad that the Source to attack the sisters
I like Sliding Doors movie and I like to think that several parallel realities'ld be
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 17:34:15 GMT -5
Kill Billie Vol 2 ANGEL OF DESTINY: (sadly) The battle is over, though not as I expected. Forever Charmed The Angel of Destiny appears with Leo. He and Piper exchange a smile.) Piper: Okay, hang on a second. You’re not gonna take him away again right? Angel of Destiny: No, this is the way the battle was supposed to end all along, and it’s over. Congratulations. Leo wasn't destined to die or to get frozen, the Angel was speaking of the outcome of the battle The sisters were destined to be the Charmed Ones, but this didn't necessarily involve the duty to defeat the Source or the Triad, they were free to choose what to do: in theory, seeing that they were both the Triad that the Source to attack the sisters I like Sliding Doors movie and I like to think that several parallel realities'ld be The Angel said that "this was how it was supposed to end all along" both in reference to the Ultimate Power being defeated AND Leo not being taken away again by her, which suggests Leo was supposed to be frozen/taken away as the alternative would've been him getting killed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 19:03:57 GMT -5
Again I point to the 1990's TV series, Sliders, that examined the concept of a multiverse.
In the pilot, our heroes visited a parallel Earth where the Soviet Union had won the Cold War and had taken over North America.
Another episode dealt with a world where the U.S. had lost their Revolution and was still under British control.
Then there was an episode in which we saw an Earth were the dinosaurs never went extinct.
Now, there was never any evidence of such a thing on Charmed. The closest we got that that silly mirror world in the Season Six finale.
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 4, 2015 4:39:27 GMT -5
Kill Billie Vol 2 ANGEL OF DESTINY: (sadly) The battle is over, though not as I expected. Forever Charmed The Angel of Destiny appears with Leo. He and Piper exchange a smile.) Piper: Okay, hang on a second. You’re not gonna take him away again right? Angel of Destiny: No, this is the way the battle was supposed to end all along, and it’s over. Congratulations. Leo wasn't destined to die or to get frozen, the Angel was speaking of the outcome of the battle The sisters were destined to be the Charmed Ones, but this didn't necessarily involve the duty to defeat the Source or the Triad, they were free to choose what to do: in theory, seeing that they were both the Triad that the Source to attack the sisters I like Sliding Doors movie and I like to think that several parallel realities'ld be The Angel said that "this was how it was supposed to end all along" both in reference to the Ultimate Power being defeated AND Leo not being taken away again by her, which suggests Leo was supposed to be frozen/taken away as the alternative would've been him getting killed. The Angel of Destiny was very clear, she resolved to command to the Angel of Death to put Leo on his list, because she need to bring sisters about enough pain and motivation to take on their forthcoming battle The Angel of Death warns Piper precisely because he knows that the death of Leo is a stretch |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 7:16:10 GMT -5
The Angel said that "this was how it was supposed to end all along" both in reference to the Ultimate Power being defeated AND Leo not being taken away again by her, which suggests Leo was supposed to be frozen/taken away as the alternative would've been him getting killed. The Angel of Destiny was very clear, she resolved to command to the Angel of Death to put Leo on his list, because she need to bring sisters about enough pain and motivation to take on their forthcoming battle The Angel of Death warns Piper precisely because he knows that the death of Leo is a stretch I just found that so stupid. Surely if the Angel knew Piper at all she would realise that loss does not motivate her to fight. She only continued being a Charmed One after Prue's death because of Paige. I get that they needed to vanquish the Source, but they were obviously motivated to kill him because he had Prue killed. But why would Leo's bring killed in a random accident motivate them to kill Billie and Christy? Complete nonsense. |
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Post by adzpower on Nov 4, 2015 12:46:45 GMT -5
One of many things about the later seasons that make no sense at all.
You'd think protecting her sisters and children would be motivation enough. And keeping Leo safe what with him being mortal would have been a top priority to her regardless if he was there or not. If it were me, I would have had Leo killed off (by Christy), now that's motivation! And it would have made Christy somewhat threatening rather than just being a whiney brat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 13:58:29 GMT -5
Again I point to the 1990's TV series, Sliders, that examined the concept of a multiverse. In the pilot, our heroes visited a parallel Earth where the Soviet Union had won the Cold War and had taken over North America. Another episode dealt with a world where the U.S. had lost their Revolution and was still under British control. Then there was an episode in which we saw an Earth were the dinosaurs never went extinct. Now, there was never any evidence of such a thing on Charmed. The closest we got that that silly mirror world in the Season Six finale. This is a really good post that's, sadly, going ignored. Maybe, you should start a new thread, Tim, since you're clearly not being heard in here.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 0:36:29 GMT -5
I know, right. Kind of silly of me to want to talk about multiverses in a thread with multiverses in the title 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 1:10:25 GMT -5
I know, right. Kind of silly of me to want to talk about multiverses in a thread with multiverses in the title Tell me about it. Is the thread about multiverses or is it "every single time Charmed attempted time travel"? |
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Post by sol on Nov 5, 2015 2:43:48 GMT -5
Again I point to the 1990's TV series, Sliders, that examined the concept of a multiverse. In the pilot, our heroes visited a parallel Earth where the Soviet Union had won the Cold War and had taken over North America. Another episode dealt with a world where the U.S. had lost their Revolution and was still under British control. Then there was an episode in which we saw an Earth were the dinosaurs never went extinct. Now, there was never any evidence of such a thing on Charmed. The closest we got that that silly mirror world in the Season Six finale. This is a really good post that's, sadly, going ignored. Maybe, you should start a new thread, Tim, since you're clearly not being heard in here. So what? Tim is talking of alternative history I never watched Sliders, but in the literature there are several novels dealing with the subject, as The Man in the High Castle of Philip K ? -the site deny the surname- or Fatherland of Robert Harris or Rome without Pope of Guido Morselli or If It Had Happened Otherwise, which it is not a novel but a collection of essays of how it could have been How it'ld be a timeline were the Venetian Republic wasn't able to create the Holy League and defeated the Ottoman Empire in Lepanto in 1571? Or a timeline were on 17 June 1815 it hand't rain cats and dogs and the Amrèe hadn't been slowed by the mud: Napoleon 'ld attack early in the morning, as plained, before the Prussian reinforcements came, he'ld win at Waterloo, despite Grouchy Andn what kind of state I'ld be living, if it was immediately discovered that the will of Charles II of Spain in which named as his heir one of the Bourbons of France was a fake. There would be no war of the Spanish Succession, which sowed death and destruction throughout the continent , the winning England might not have taken hold of the American colonies, the reign of France would be not so impoverished to avoid the crisis that will lead to the Revolution of 1789. Different world, an exciting game But we are talking of Charmed and their different timelines |
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