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Post by forbuss on Sept 16, 2020 14:13:52 GMT -5
The power future, Phoebe had was called Pathokenisis I think where she overloaded Cal Greene's brain with emotions which fried that obviously. In season 9 comics if you believe that it is they revisited this storyline where it was said the person he killed would've been Elise who being Phoebe's boss and friend would be emotional for her of course. Woohoo, I was right!! I like this explanation a lot - I don't *love* the name they gave it in the comics (pathokenesis). Like not everyone needs to have an "kenesis" power, haha. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 17, 2020 2:32:32 GMT -5
No they don't forbuss.
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Post by squint on Sept 17, 2020 8:49:51 GMT -5
1.) I like Season 4 and the way it wraps things up
--> It might be rushed, I might be unhappy with certain parts (Cole not being dead as an example), but the way they wrapped most of the storylines up allows me to exclude Seasons 5 - 8 more or less from my head canon.
2.) The did handle Prue's death well (given the circumstances)
Again, excluding Seasons 5 - 8, it makes perfect sense for Piper and Pheobe to be prevented from seeing their dead sister for the time being. Of course, if things off-screen had occurred diffently, it could have been a lot better. But it wasn't.
3.) I don't condemn Pheobe for lying to her sisters about Cole
Sure, it was wrong. Sure, they had every reason to be angry at her. Sure, she deserves all the negative consequences of her actions. But she was in love, she was blinded by love, love sometimes makes people make irrational and stupid choices. It was wrong, but it didn't destroy her character for me. Not yet.
4.) As much as I like Paige, she could never replace Prue
I like Paige, a lot. But there was one thing missing from most of the seasons with Paige. It was the feeling that the three of them were a real family. The first set of actresses had such a tremendous amout of on-screen chemistry and that was gone. Paige was a great character in Season 4, but the sisterly bond was not as strong.
5.) I like both the Season 1/2 concept and the Season 3/4 approach
I liked the first two Seasons for allowing us to get to know the characters. It was a great time for buidling relationship and character development, and the "monster of the week" style was very fitting. But I also liked the multi-episode arcs of Seasons 3/4 as an evolution of the series. I like shows that develop that way. I certainly wasn't flawless, but I didn't mind the change.
6.) I was never into Leo
I always felt he was such a boring character from the beginning and later turned into a plot device that was more annoying than entertaining.
7.) Don't mind Piper having sons instead of girls
8.) Not a great fan of "All Halliwell's Eve"
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Post by forbuss on Sept 17, 2020 19:10:07 GMT -5
1.) I like Season 4 and the way it wraps things up--> It might be rushed, I might be unhappy with certain parts (Cole not being dead as an example), but the way they wrapped most of the storylines up allows me to exclude Seasons 5 - 8 more or less from my head canon. 2.) The did handle Prue's death well (given the circumstances) Again, excluding Seasons 5 - 8, it makes perfect sense for Piper and Pheobe to be prevented from seeing their dead sister for the time being. Of course, if things off-screen had occurred diffently, it could have been a lot better. But it wasn't. 3.) I don't condemn Pheobe for lying to her sisters about ColeSure, it was wrong. Sure, they had every reason to be angry at her. Sure, she deserves all the negative consequences of her actions. But she was in love, she was blinded by love, love sometimes makes people make irrational and stupid choices. It was wrong, but it didn't destroy her character for me. Not yet. 4.) As much as I like Paige, she could never replace PrueI like Paige, a lot. But there was one thing missing from most of the seasons with Paige. It was the feeling that the three of them were a real family. The first set of actresses had such a tremendous amout of on-screen chemistry and that was gone. Paige was a great character in Season 4, but the sisterly bond was not as strong. 5.) I like both the Season 1/2 concept and the Season 3/4 approachI liked the first two Seasons for allowing us to get to know the characters. It was a great time for buidling relationship and character development, and the "monster of the week" style was very fitting. But I also liked the multi-episode arcs of Seasons 3/4 as an evolution of the series. I like shows that develop that way. I certainly wasn't flawless, but I didn't mind the change. 6.) I was never into LeoI always felt he was such a boring character from the beginning and later turned into a plot device that was more annoying than entertaining. 7.) Don't mind Piper having sons instead of girls
8.) Not a great fan of "All Halliwell's Eve" I agree with all of this! I do love All Halliwell's Eve, though. |
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Post by squint on Sept 18, 2020 13:23:18 GMT -5
1.) I like Season 4 and the way it wraps things up--> It might be rushed, I might be unhappy with certain parts (Cole not being dead as an example), but the way they wrapped most of the storylines up allows me to exclude Seasons 5 - 8 more or less from my head canon. 2.) The did handle Prue's death well (given the circumstances) Again, excluding Seasons 5 - 8, it makes perfect sense for Piper and Pheobe to be prevented from seeing their dead sister for the time being. Of course, if things off-screen had occurred diffently, it could have been a lot better. But it wasn't. 3.) I don't condemn Pheobe for lying to her sisters about ColeSure, it was wrong. Sure, they had every reason to be angry at her. Sure, she deserves all the negative consequences of her actions. But she was in love, she was blinded by love, love sometimes makes people make irrational and stupid choices. It was wrong, but it didn't destroy her character for me. Not yet. 4.) As much as I like Paige, she could never replace PrueI like Paige, a lot. But there was one thing missing from most of the seasons with Paige. It was the feeling that the three of them were a real family. The first set of actresses had such a tremendous amout of on-screen chemistry and that was gone. Paige was a great character in Season 4, but the sisterly bond was not as strong. 5.) I like both the Season 1/2 concept and the Season 3/4 approachI liked the first two Seasons for allowing us to get to know the characters. It was a great time for buidling relationship and character development, and the "monster of the week" style was very fitting. But I also liked the multi-episode arcs of Seasons 3/4 as an evolution of the series. I like shows that develop that way. I certainly wasn't flawless, but I didn't mind the change. 6.) I was never into LeoI always felt he was such a boring character from the beginning and later turned into a plot device that was more annoying than entertaining. 7.) Don't mind Piper having sons instead of girls
8.) Not a great fan of "All Halliwell's Eve" I agree with all of this! I do love All Halliwell's Eve, though. That means you've got taste  |
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Sept 19, 2020 20:23:28 GMT -5
I love this thread! Here are some of mine: 1. I don't really like Leo as a boyfriend/husband. I liked them better as their Whitelighter, although I would have preferred the sisters to have a female Whitelighter (NOT Natalie). Maybe the actress who played Sandra the Elder could have been their Whitelighter instead. If they were going to go with Leo as a boyfriend, I would have liked to see them develop more of a relationship and "hold off" on them dating for longer. 2. Prue is my least favorite sister - this one is definitely unpopular. I like Paige better individually, but preferred the Charmed Ones with Prue rather than Paige. 3. I liked all of the sisters power growth. 4. I didn't like Andy as Prue's boyfriend - honestly, I just thought Prue could have done better. In fact, I hated all of her boyfriends, especially Jack the twin - awful. Prue needed someone more strong in the way Bane was - only he was sortof messed up and not really available... 5. I thought Paige should have ended up with Glenn - sure I like Henry, but I loved the episodes with Glenn. Especially early Paige - she was subversive, smart, and lived a non traditional life like Glenn. Alas, he got married to that awful blonde woman (I don't think we were supposed to like her). 6. I think season four is the best the show as been in terms of storytelling - the chaos and emotions Prue's death caused led to some really great moments of grief and self-destructive behaviours amongst the sisters, something that is very human, and something that we didn't see in the same capacity until season four. 7. I generally like 'Forever Charmed' - Honestly the only thing I dislike about this episode is the epilogue at the end with old Piper (and of course the omission of Prue). 8. I really did like Jason and Phoebe in season six although it was a very doomed relationship. 9. I think that Prue was the correct cast member to kill off - if they had to remove anyone, I agree Prue was the best choice dramaturgically. 10. I don't mind that Shelia started to hate the sisters in season seven - I feel strongly about this one. Yes, we saw in the past that Shelia was encouraging Darryl to help the sisters (namely with Chris). However, I think the sisters were really starting to take advantage of Darryl and were putting him in danger that we didn't see them put him in the first couple seasons. I'm glad that Sheila stood up for Darryl, because she had to - the sisters would always drag him back in. Aren't they the most powerful witches of all time? Why did they need to screw him over so bad? In short - Sheilia stood up for the safety of her husband and the father of her children. Can't hate on her for that! Of course I am sad that Darryl wasn't in season eight, but he could have still been in it with some storyline (if the budget had of allowed it). I really wish that he was in S8 and they gave Sheila more of a role. I would LOVE to see Sheila tell off the sisters for messing with her family the way that they did. Also, Sandra Prosper is really a great actress. I want to add to mine: 11. I really like the infamous mermaid episode - A Witch's Tale Pt 1/2. I always view it in my head as eons between seasons four and five. The show had a different feel and was being filmed with different lighting or cameras or both, or something. It looks more modern. But I like how much Phoebe hates Cole in this episode, and then get's closure. True - I wish he had only appeared as a cameo in this episode and then left Phoebe alone. He should have not come back until Centennial Charmed. I like how Cole made Phoebe escape her life by becoming a mermaid. I always liked when there is a rhyme or reason to these transformations. Also: I love Paige getting promoted! I know this is short lived - I wish she had stayed at her job. Piper's fear spell is probably my least favourite aspect of this episode... Always appreciate you opinions, since some of the ones you mentioned, I might not agree with, but I do with some of them, but we're all different, and it's nice to see we're not all the same. We all watch for different reasons. But, I had to say, I too don't hate A Witch's Tale Pt 1/2 as most fans do as well, I welcomed this lighter opening episode, after so much dark, it was needed. I guess, since I loved the Little Mermaid movie and saw it in 1989, when I was five years old at the movies, It holds a special place in my heart. Piper's fear came out of nowhere, and they seemed to rehash Prue's fear of water, and Patty appearing to her, like in 'From Fear to Eternity', I did like seeing Patty again, but it wasn't as great as Prue's from FFTE which was much more special, but that plot may have worked for Prue if she was pregnant, to have her fear or drowning brought back again, but it was never Piper's fear. That is what bugged me. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 19, 2020 22:13:30 GMT -5
I want to add to mine: 11. I really like the infamous mermaid episode - A Witch's Tale Pt 1/2. I always view it in my head as eons between seasons four and five. The show had a different feel and was being filmed with different lighting or cameras or both, or something. It looks more modern. But I like how much Phoebe hates Cole in this episode, and then get's closure. True - I wish he had only appeared as a cameo in this episode and then left Phoebe alone. He should have not come back until Centennial Charmed. I like how Cole made Phoebe escape her life by becoming a mermaid. I always liked when there is a rhyme or reason to these transformations. Also: I love Paige getting promoted! I know this is short lived - I wish she had stayed at her job. Piper's fear spell is probably my least favourite aspect of this episode... Always appreciate you opinions, since some of the ones you mentioned, I might not agree with, but I do with some of them, but we're all different, and it's nice to see we're not all the same. We all watch for different reasons. But, I had to say, I too don't hate A Witch's Tale Pt 1/2 as most fans do as well, I welcomed this lighter opening episode, after so much dark, it was needed. I guess, since I loved the Little Mermaid movie and saw it in 1989, when I was five years old at the movies, It holds a special place in my heart. Piper's fear came out of nowhere, and they seemed to rehash Prue's fear of water, and Patty appearing to her, like in 'From Fear to Eternity', I did like seeing Patty again, but it wasn't as great as Prue's from FFTE which was much more special, but that plot may have worked for Prue if she was pregnant, to have her fear or drowning brought back again, but it was never Piper's fear. That is what bugged me. I agree with you! Piper's fear was also rehashed later in season five after Wyatt was born. And yes, I feel like they tried to re-hash Piper's fear from "P3H20" even though it was not the same demon. I wished they had of saved this for after Wyatt's birth. And yeah - I feel I am unique in terms of my Charmed preferences - both on this board and Charmed fandom in general. |
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Sept 20, 2020 5:01:22 GMT -5
Always appreciate you opinions, since some of the ones you mentioned, I might not agree with, but I do with some of them, but we're all different, and it's nice to see we're not all the same. We all watch for different reasons. But, I had to say, I too don't hate A Witch's Tale Pt 1/2 as most fans do as well, I welcomed this lighter opening episode, after so much dark, it was needed. I guess, since I loved the Little Mermaid movie and saw it in 1989, when I was five years old at the movies, It holds a special place in my heart. Piper's fear came out of nowhere, and they seemed to rehash Prue's fear of water, and Patty appearing to her, like in 'From Fear to Eternity', I did like seeing Patty again, but it wasn't as great as Prue's from FFTE which was much more special, but that plot may have worked for Prue if she was pregnant, to have her fear or drowning brought back again, but it was never Piper's fear. That is what bugged me. I agree with you! Piper's fear was also rehashed later in season five after Wyatt was born. And yes, I feel like they tried to re-hash Piper's fear from "P3H20" even though it was not the same demon. I wished they had of saved this for after Wyatt's birth. And yeah - I feel I am unique in terms of my Charmed preferences - both on this board and Charmed fandom in general.  Me too, they could have done it and saved it as a plot or mini arc for later on. You sure are, and that makes me enjoy reading your opinions, you're one of the few fans I've ever come across who rates S1 and S2 very low compared to the majority, but it sure does make you unique, it will be fun to see and read things from your POV. |
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Post by Julian on Oct 15, 2020 20:01:48 GMT -5
1. I don't like Prue in part of Season 1, at all outside of some sisterly moments, she gets better from From Fear to Eternity.
2. I like Phoebe in Season 5 outside of her arcs with Cole and Jason, when she was being an aunt and the funny side of her comes out.
3. I don't like the Piper and Leo relationship at all, once they got married.
4. I only like Leo in the first two seasons.
5. I don't dislike episodes like She's a Man, Baby a Man, or Wedding From Hell even though they can be cringe-worthy, they have some funny moments, especially the funny things Phoebe or Piper said.
6. I liked Andy better when he wasn't in a relationship with Prue, once him and Prue broke up, after the first half of S1, both were better for it, unless Prue told Andy the truth.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 15, 2020 20:55:49 GMT -5
I've decided to bring mine forward from the first page. My reactions towards these haven't changed much. Not sure if mine are unpopular here, but they have been very unpopular elsewhere. 1. Although they were my favorite couple the first time I watch the show with Leo as my favorite male character, I now can't stand Piper and Leo together, except in Season One - think that Piper could never love the angel, just the magical taxicab/doctor. Think she'd be much better with Mark the Ghost or Henry, and Leo would be much better with either Phoebe or Paige. 2. Can't stand Phoebe and Cole together - think that Phoebe could never love the demon (and even without powers, Cole was more Belthazor than the human since he had been Belthazor for almost 100 years), just the lawyer. Think he'd be a lot better with Prue or Paige (if he was never obsessed with Phoebe - I don't think either of them truly loved the other, but was just infatuated and then obsessed), and she'd be a lot better with Drake or Leo or Kyra. 3. Despite the comics, think that Chris is the reincarnation of Prue - all of the parts of him that I can't stand I love in her. 3. Think the series should've ended when Shax said "The end" and that Season 4-8 is the alternate universe spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" - where the only thing similar between that and "Charmed" (S1-3) are the names of some of the characters. 4. Think the series would've been much, much, MUCH better if Phoebe had died rather than Prue and even BETTER if Piper had stayed dead during "Awakened" and that's when we met Paige who would have no whiteligher powers! ESPECIALLY if she was played by Jennifer Love Hewitt rather than Rose McGowan so she wouldn't be such a ditz. 5. Think that there should've never been such a thing as witchlighters/half-whitelighters - hate the idea of dead men being able to sire children. Also hate the idea of demons and humans being able to mate. Would've preferred both Cole and Drake as warlocks. 6. Think that warlocks should've remained the bad guys of the series and the Source never should've been introduced - the idea of being able to vanquish the Source of All Evil makes absolutely no sense, just like the Demonic Wasteland. 7. Think the idea that a half-demon who was raised by his demonic mother and had been a mercenary demon for more than 70 years could fall in love rather than just being obsessed just because half of him is human is the stupidest idea the show came up with. Had he been raised by his non-magical father and was truly in his 30's, I'd feel totally differently. 8. Liked Billie a lot more once Christy showed up and wished that they had won the final battle rather than the Charmed Ones - although *really* think that Zankou should've won the battle in "Something Wicca This Way Goes" and would've if the writers hadn't cheated by letting the Charmed Ones learn how to perform magic after astral projecting - anyone can astral project, but being able to be seen and do something was part of Prue's power to move things with her mind and shouldn't have been able to be taught any more than Piper and Phoebe could be taught to orb. 9. Think that Leo should've stayed away after "Love Hurts" and Prue and Andy should've been the couple who was together (but never got married and never had kids) during all 4 seasons (Had it been those two, I don't think Charmed would've lasted more than 4 years, which would've been just fine with me.) 10. Think that the worst episode was "Sleuthing with the Enemy" - the death of my favorite character, Phoebs, and the birth of my least-favorite character, PhoeME/Freebie - and think that when Phoebe lied to Prue and Piper about vanquishing Cole, the Power of Three should've vanished right then and never come back, hence no need to find Paige. 11. Despite the comics, think that "Forever Crap", I mean "Forever Piper", I mean "Forever Charmed" is Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in 'Kill Billie, Vol 2' and Paige is the one who survived by panic-orbing and then getting out of Dodge, finally ridding herself of her selfish, self-centered half-sisters who only gave her lip service as a sister but let her stick around in order to complete the Power of Three. But these are all just my own opinions - hence why I kept saying "Think". Other fans are more than welcomed to have their own. |
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Post by Maite Halliwell on Oct 16, 2020 7:24:40 GMT -5
I think my opinions can differ a little bit from fans, but I also agree quite a bit with others, but I'll give this a shot:
1. I like season six. I know this is quite an unpopular opinion, but I adore season six. My absolute favourite season is the first half of season four, but if I could only watch one season for the rest of my life, I'd choose season six, and I know that would be a very unpopular opinion. Although, I do criticise it-- it should've done more background, more build up to magic school, more consistency with Paige ect but I will always love it.
2. I love Paige's ginger hair. I know a lot of fans didn't like this, but honestly, I loved her beautiful ginger hair. Honestly, I loved all the wonderful shades of hair, but ginger Paige will always be my favourite Paige.
3. I liked Piper having her boys. I like how it was a twist (although it wasn't for me because how I watched it for the first time), I like his name and I like that she had a second boy. And even more unpopular, I pretty sure I wouldn't have liked her having kids if they were girls.
4. Carrying on from three, I liked that Wyatt was powerful. Of course, I HATE that he had a prophecy, and that he was as powerful as he was, that absolutely ruined the show, but there are things about his powers that I loved and would keep in my dream Charmed.
5. I think Cole being the source could've been a really good storyline had they not hurried it up and not drastically changed the sisters' personalities. That being said, I would've preferred he died saving Phoebe and the sisters when he was still good.
6. I think, especially if your had been written well and done justice, the second set of Charmed ones could've had the better dynamic as sisters and witches.
I think that's it for now, but if I think of anymore I'll add some more!
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Post by goldeneye049 on Oct 16, 2020 10:19:38 GMT -5
1) I really don't like Leo. I no longer even respect his character who prefers to choose the life of a elders rather than his family. Writers are not ashamed?
2) I don't like Cole. I think he should disappear in 3x22 or 3x20.
3) I quite like season 6. What I hate is that the sisters punish the bad guys (hyde school reunion). Chris is not really good. And a big mistake in 5x23, Chris said "Paige is dead tonight". In the spider episode, Chris said that Paige gave him money. 😡
4) I prefer 3x22 in final series. The 2018 reboot would have had a new power of three explaining the old one was trapped by the Source.
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 17, 2020 8:51:54 GMT -5
I've decided I don't like Leo either, but it's more about the roles he played than his personality.
I don't like the concept of whitelighters and elders, and Leo was mostly one of those things throughout the show. I'd have liked it much better if those things didn't exist, and he was instead a witch with a particular gift for healing, though not nearly as strong as he was in the show, and not nearly as strong as the sisters.
Then he was Piper's husband through most of the show as well, and he took away from the sisterhood aspect. They should have met later in the show than they did, then dated for longer, and maybe only married in season 4 or 5. His near constant presence coupled with how much he meant to Piper shifted the focus from sisters to significant others.
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Post by codebox on Oct 17, 2020 11:43:12 GMT -5
1. For me I think Season 4 gets unfairly grouped as the "downfall" of Charmed. When in reality its basically just Season 3, but continued onward. Unlike most seasons which feel like they just take place after previous season or act as a shift in the case of Season 4 to 5, Season 4 is basically an extension to Season 3.
I mean the season is shot with the same effects, cinematography and darker tone season 3 was shot in, in fact a side by side comparison of Season 3 to 4 greatly highlights this! It basically feels like Season 3, just not with Prue. On top of that the first half feels like the story was moving along, it felt like each episode was its own continuing thing building off season 3's ending, even if the introduction to Paige was rushed I liked how the first 13 episodes of season 4 felt like it continued from Season 3. And while the second half certainly holds this season back and I do agree Season 4 is weaker that its previous seasons I do think classifying it as "Bad Charmed" with seasons 5-8 is a bit of a stretch, especially when the shift from season 4 to 5 is much more clearer. Honestly I do think the second half introduces things that would plague or make later seasons worse (Phoebe's column for instance or PhoeMe's general attitude when it comes to love and how she acts in general) although Saving Private Leo was a good episode and one of Piper's finest episodes as well. I agree saying late season 4 might have planted the seeds and could be considered too dark, but calling it "downfall" is a bit of a stretch imo.
2. The lighter tone wasn't the problem with Season 5. Many Charmed fans seem to have this image that Season 5 was "kiddy" because of its lighter focus and that isn't true. A show needs a good balance of dark and lighter moments, because if one is too focused on another it could be bad. I think having that tone after two seasons of more action packed and darker cinematography was a good idea. The problem is all the other stuff that coexisted with the lighter tone, the abrupt shift in Phoebe just getting a job at the paper for only 7 episodes and the fact she's a celebrity, the fact the girls treat saving someone as an inconvenience, the fact Paige's Pro Witch agenda always felt secondary to the shift's focus, the sudden fact fairytales were a thing whereas before they were used as a quick joke, the sudden Cole blaming. These are what I think made the lighter tone "off" for people, not for being lighter itself.
3. Cole ruined season 5. Hear me out, I think how the sisters (Phoebe in particular) treated Cole was absolutely horrible, its what made the first half such a repetitive slog. However I think it also has to do with the fact Cole was just around in general. The fact he lasted as long as he did shouldn't have sacrificed what could've been more interesting plots or sisterly dynamics.
4. I'm so mixed on Season 3 Prue. This is a touchy one, because many feel this began an unfavorable change in Prue and I wouldn't disagree with them, even if I have defended her to some extent before. Prue begins to show more of an ego, more of "I want to do and be everything" sort of thing. However in the context of season 3, I think it had to do with the fact since romance became such a HUGE focus for Piper and especially Phoebe, she had to take the Pro Witch mantle. Being more focued on mission instead of her personal life (which came to light in Just Harried) however I think it came to the fact this overfocusing on magic and demons began to get the best of her judgement you could say. Because at some moments I feel for Prue, not knowing exactly where she stands which did become a plot point, and since Phoebe was no longer Pro Witch, Prue took that role. However episodes like Primrose Empath obviously wanted to take Prue to "superwitch" status, beyond just being the leader who was the most capable in battle. Its such a weird change. However I do think her ego was used well in Death Takes a Halliwell because its all about her fear of death, I'm stuck in this middle ground with her.
I don't consider her "the worst" because I do think the finale brings Prue back to "old Prue' so to speak. With just her focusing on the task, but not too extreme, but considering Phoebe becoming PhoeMe and Piper's few unlikable moments in episodes like Wrestling with Demons and Death Takes a Halliwell Prue really was the best in season 3. Even if I think Piper was an improvement over how she was in Season 2 and for the most part was pretty decent. Bottomline I do like Season 3 Prue, I just understand why other's wouldn't. But I do have a mixed perspective overall. I think my soured view on Piper and Phoebe later might have to do with this more than anything though.
5. I liked Billie, she wasn't a bad character, just a good idea with poor execution. With how Billie was more of the Charmed Ones than the Charmed Ones it made sense as to why I preferred her more.
6. Warlocks should've been the standard fair for antagonists as a contrast to good witches vs evil witches. Since Warlock's are basically male witches or in Charmed's version "evil" witches.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 17, 2020 12:01:01 GMT -5
I've decided I don't like Leo either, but it's more about the roles he played than his personality. I don't like the concept of whitelighters and elders, and Leo was mostly one of those things throughout the show. I'd have liked it much better if those things didn't exist, and he was instead a witch with a particular gift for healing, though not nearly as strong as he was in the show, and not nearly as strong as the sisters. Then he was Piper's husband through most of the show as well, and he took away from the sisterhood aspect. They should have met later in the show than they did, then dated for longer, and maybe only married in season 4 or 5. His near constant presence coupled with how much he meant to Piper shifted the focus from sisters to significant others. The first time I watched the series, I was madly in love with Leo (I've always considered my Charmed name as Esmeralda Wyatt - if Piper doesn't want to take his last name, I will!) and he was my favorite male on the series, yet another reason why I hate Chris. I think I would still love him if he was what you suggested - someone she meets later in the season - like after Prue's death, and is the one who helps her get over it - and is a witch with the power to heal and has no bosses and is the same age as Piper - but it's he and Piper who see getting married in the last scene of the series while never seeing what happens in their future. Although I'd love him even more if he was matched with Phoebe or Paige (who like him, would not have any whitelighter powers.) Piper needed someone stronger who wouldn't be talked into doing something just because she wanted him to, not because it was the right thing. Had there been no such thing as Elders or whitelighters or witchlighers OR if there was only ONE whitelighter shown (Leo) and as he told them, the sisters ONLY need whitelighters for their first year, so after Season One, we never saw another whitelighter, Elder or witchlighter, I think the show would've been much, much, MUCH better. The funny thing in both versions of our Classic Charmed Done Our Way, there ARE whitelighters - just done differently, not allowing them to ruin the sisterhood by letting the whitelighter be the same age as the sisters and by letting him have OTHER charges so he's not with the sisters all the time. But I still think that's why I think I love Team Charmed Cafe's "Elemental Charmed" more than either version of "Classic Charmed Done Our Way" - there are no whitelighters, Elders or witchlighterts in EC and thanks to that, it remains female-centric and Warren-centric throughout. |
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Post by ljones on Oct 17, 2020 12:47:53 GMT -5
I wish Phoebe and Cole had never gotten involved. I thought he was too good for her . . . even as an evil demon. Phoebe's infantile behavior was charming at first. By the time I stopped watching the series, I found her behavior irritating to watch, along with the series' unwillingness to acknowledge the evil aspects of the sisters' behavior and actions. Come to think of it, I found Piper and Leo's relationship very frustrating in the end. One could say that their relationship became more realistic and less romanticized over the years. I could have accepted that, but it was marred by too much bad writing. And that was the problem with "CHARMED" in the end. It had failed to develop over the years in terms of storytelling and characterization. Its characters had failed to mature over the years, despite growing older. And despite the characters growing older, the series had failed to reflect the characters' aging with a more mature and ambiguous view of morality.
That sounds like an offshoot of empathy.
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Post by stratego on Mar 7, 2021 11:51:23 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of fan favourites like Morality Bites, Astral Monkey or Chick Flick.
And episodes fans seem to hate, like That Old Black Magic and How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans, I don't really mind those at all.
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Post by goldeneye049 on May 29, 2021 3:27:51 GMT -5
I hate "Long live the queen". I find the episode sloppy, if she was supposed to be mean, as long as it lasts three episodes. I hate the end of the previous episode, it's the opposite of Phoeb's so much that I don't like the second part of season 4 at all. But I like "the three faces of phoebe" 🤔
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Post by rebooted on May 29, 2021 4:39:51 GMT -5
I hate "Long live the queen". I find the episode sloppy, if she was supposed to be mean, as long as it lasts three episodes. I hate the end of the previous episode, it's the opposite of Phoeb's so much that I don't like the second part of season 4 at all. But I like "the three faces of phoebe" 🤔 LLTQ is one of my favourites. But i think the story arc needed to take place for the first half of Season 5 up until the 100th. WotstW is a helpless episode. I do like that its one of the last episodes where all 3 sisters use all of their powers. I love the unpopular opinions |
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Post by rebooted on May 29, 2021 4:43:59 GMT -5
I didnt mind the love triangle with Dan and Leo.
In fact I liked it.
I didn't even mind that Piper was being a horrible person.
I liked Dan.
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Me too, they could have done it and saved it as a plot or mini arc for later on. 
