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Post by Julian on Oct 15, 2020 18:27:49 GMT -5
Starting this thread, my very first one. To ask members what their jump the shark moment was on Charmed?
I came across a thread asking When did Charmed get its growing the beard moment, so this thread can be a companion to that.
Again just to clarify (A true jump-the-shark moment is just a moment, not a season or even an entire episode, it's a moment, it got the name from Fonzie skiing and jumping over a shark.)
So some examples may be:
When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom
When Piper got her new power and blew up the watermelon
When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole
When Paige orbs
When Wyatt was born
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 16, 2020 8:26:03 GMT -5
It's hard to define just one moment, but all of the ones you listed are good, Julian. For me, it has to be something that changes the core of the show from that point out in a way that can't be reversed.
If, for example, we say that it's when Phoebe lied to her sisters about vanquishing Cole, I have to wonder if, after the lie was found out, her sisters could fully trust her again and truly forgive her. Also, could she turn back into Phoebs again after that? If it all has the potential to go back to normal with enough time, then it isn't a jump the shark moment for me.
That's a roundabout way of saying I'm not sure what the first moment truly was. I'll have to think on it more.
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Post by Julian on Oct 16, 2020 20:01:51 GMT -5
It's hard to define just one moment, but all of the ones you listed are good, Julian. For me, it has to be something that changes the core of the show from that point out in a way that can't be reversed. If, for example, we say that it's when Phoebe lied to her sisters about vanquishing Cole, I have to wonder if, after the lie was found out, her sisters could fully trust her again and truly forgive her. Also, could she turn back into Phoebs again after that? If it all has the potential to go back to normal with enough time, then it isn't a jump the shark moment for me. That's a roundabout way of saying I'm not sure what the first moment truly was. I'll have to think on it more. Thanks Elle Em. It is hard to pinpoint the exact moment, as for me it has to be a true jump the shark moment is where from that point onwards it has no redeeming qualities, so we might have a moment that is regarded as jump the shark, but the show managed to come back in an episode or two. I think the biggest change was when Wyatt was born, when we learned he was a he not a she. From that point on, it became about Wyatt being the twice blessed child, and now suddenly he is so powerful, and it shifted it from who was meant to be the most powerful witches of all time the Charmed Ones, and the show now became more about the children and no longer about female empowerment, since now they have boys. Often I hear it being common for a baby to kill a show. I'm going to try and figure out where exactly mine jump the shark moment was, it could be Wyatt being born, but I'll think more on it. For now, I'll put that as mine, unless I think of something else. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 16, 2020 20:13:08 GMT -5
I'll agree that the "no turning back" moment came when we saw that thing between "Prudence Melinda's" legs (NOT Melinda - she's the one in the 'Morality Bites' universe who is the same age as Wyatt). It's when the show went from being female-centric to male-centric. From then on, the sisters were nothing without their men, so very different to what Charmed was supposed to be about.
I can think of a number of moments that led to that big one, call them, "pre-jumps" like Leo proposing to Piper and her agreeing; Paige having all the whitelighter powers even though she's still alive; Piper unable to get pregnant but then when they take up the Demon of Destiny's (nothing angelic about him!) offer to keep their powers, that's when a female witchlighter became the Twice-Blessed Brat, even more powerful than the most powerful set of witches the world had ever known; Piper being invincible while carrying Wyatt; and finally Wyatt's birth. None of these should've been part of Charmed, all part of why I don't like that whole storyline.
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Post by Julian on Oct 16, 2020 20:43:18 GMT -5
I'll agree that the "no turning back" moment came when we saw that thing between "Prudence Melinda's" legs (NOT Melinda - she's the one in the 'Morality Bites' universe who is the same age as Wyatt). It's when the show went from being female-centric to male-centric. From then on, the sisters were nothing without their men, so very different to what Charmed was supposed to be about. I can think of a number of moments that led to that big one, call them, "pre-jumps" like Leo proposing to Piper and her agreeing; Paige having all the whitelighter powers even though she's still alive; Piper unable to get pregnant but then when they take up the Demon of Destiny's (nothing angelic about him!) offer to keep their powers, that's when a female witchlighter became the Twice-Blessed Brat, even more powerful than the most powerful set of witches the world had ever known; Piper being invincible while carrying Wyatt; and finally Wyatt's birth. None of these should've been part of Charmed, all part of why I don't like that whole storyline.  I love you calling them pre-jumps, and all of those moments you mentioned are all about the Piper/Leo story, I didn't like them once they got married. I liked them in the early seasons more. I might have liked their love story, if they didn't get married until much later, or if Leo gave up his powers and then they got married. But, I feel felt like Leo would never be happy as a mortal, because, he was a whitelighter for what 50 years, that is hard to get over, it became part of his personality and who he was for so long. And he even wanted to get his powers back in season 2, and that being his calling, and it had nothing to do with Piper. Felt like he did it more for Piper, and less for himself, when he wanted to be mortal in season 7, because It felt out of character for him to say he wanted to be mortal ever since he meet Piper. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 16, 2020 21:15:08 GMT -5
I'll agree that the "no turning back" moment came when we saw that thing between "Prudence Melinda's" legs (NOT Melinda - she's the one in the 'Morality Bites' universe who is the same age as Wyatt). It's when the show went from being female-centric to male-centric. From then on, the sisters were nothing without their men, so very different to what Charmed was supposed to be about. I can think of a number of moments that led to that big one, call them, "pre-jumps" like Leo proposing to Piper and her agreeing; Paige having all the whitelighter powers even though she's still alive; Piper unable to get pregnant but then when they take up the Demon of Destiny's (nothing angelic about him!) offer to keep their powers, that's when a female witchlighter became the Twice-Blessed Brat, even more powerful than the most powerful set of witches the world had ever known; Piper being invincible while carrying Wyatt; and finally Wyatt's birth. None of these should've been part of Charmed, all part of why I don't like that whole storyline. I love you calling them pre-jumps, and all of those moments you mentioned are all about the Piper/Leo story, I didn't like them once they got married. I liked them in the early seasons more. I might have liked their love story, if they didn't get married until much later, or if Leo gave up his powers and then they got married. But, I feel felt like Leo would never be happy as a mortal, because, he was a whitelighter for what 50 years, that is hard to get over, it became part of his personality and who he was for so long. And he even wanted to get his powers back in season 2, and that being his calling, and it had nothing to do with Piper. Felt like he did it more for Piper, and less for himself, when he wanted to be mortal in season 7, because It felt out of character for him to say he wanted to be mortal ever since he meet Piper. Agreed totally. Had they made Leo the same age as Piper (the way Cole should've been just a little older than Phoebe) then he could've given up his powers and we'd have none of these problems. But, of course, Kern had to make it male-centric, that male chauvinist pig! |
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 17, 2020 8:47:09 GMT -5
There's a lot of moments that I would consider before this one, but since it was brought up, I wanted to add what I think. As far as Wyatt being a boy, that to me wasn't as big of a deal as they turned it into. I do think that if they were going to show Melinda back in season 2 that they should have had her be born instead. But ignoring that, I didn't mind that he was a boy and not a girl. The part of Wyatt's story that bothered me was that he was Super Baby and the show turned into being about him, and just a while later, about his brother.
If he had just been a boy with some powers, being raised by his witch mother and aunts in the background of the show, his gender didn't matter. But I'm separating his gender from his powers, which the show didn't do.
I wonder what people would think if the twice-blessed child thing was still in the show, but Melinda had indeed been born instead of Wyatt.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 18, 2020 11:30:34 GMT -5
Always been easy for me. Charmed and Dangerous was the end of 'Charmed' as we knew it imo. It became a different show after that and never managed to recover.
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Post by Julian on Oct 18, 2020 20:04:43 GMT -5
I love you calling them pre-jumps, and all of those moments you mentioned are all about the Piper/Leo story, I didn't like them once they got married. I liked them in the early seasons more. I might have liked their love story, if they didn't get married until much later, or if Leo gave up his powers and then they got married. But, I feel felt like Leo would never be happy as a mortal, because, he was a whitelighter for what 50 years, that is hard to get over, it became part of his personality and who he was for so long. And he even wanted to get his powers back in season 2, and that being his calling, and it had nothing to do with Piper. Felt like he did it more for Piper, and less for himself, when he wanted to be mortal in season 7, because It felt out of character for him to say he wanted to be mortal ever since he meet Piper. Agreed totally. Had they made Leo the same age as Piper (the way Cole should've been just a little older than Phoebe) then he could've given up his powers and we'd have none of these problems. But, of course, Kern had to make it male-centric, that male chauvinist pig! That would have been much better if they did that. Then it would make sense. And watching 'Magic Hour' with you guys in the re-watch, I can see what Kern is doing, with making it male-centric, with how Cole was used. I forgot about the episode ended with Cole not Piper losing Leo. |
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Post by rebooted on Oct 18, 2020 22:01:18 GMT -5
I think its Secret and Guys when Leo showcases stronger powers than all three sisters and the philosophy of white lighters.
I would have preferred male witches being the healers/teachers in the family or a particular sect of witches that have healing powers.
From there, it just become about the forbidden love which then opened up the magical community, rather than focusing on wicca /witchcraft.
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Post by squint on Oct 19, 2020 8:07:31 GMT -5
For me it might have been too when the original Source was killed. They clearly had no idea what to do afterwards and then Kern decided to turn it into trash. There were certainly moments earlier when they betrayed their own princibles or changed the focus of the show, but I still liked it. That changed rapidly when Season 5 arrived and killing off the Source was probably the moment that planted this idea in Kern's mind.
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Post by Maite Halliwell on Oct 31, 2020 6:50:47 GMT -5
I agree with all the moments already mentioned as being the jump the shark moment, although I also think for a show like Charmed, it's really hard to pinpoint a specific moment. I do agree that the ultimate no turning back moment was the moment Wyatt was born and they found out he was a he, not a she. I also really like the term "pre-jumps" because I think that's just a perfect way to describe other moments that people have mentioned. And I do agree that in many ways, the ending of Charmed and Dangerous is the second biggest contender for being the jump the shark moment.
However, that said, I was recently rewatching season two, and there was a moment at the end of Be Careful for What You Witch For that I know think was possibly the "jump the shark" moment, because I think in this line, everything that became wrong with Charmed all can be traced back to this (especially as Kern wrote this episode). Line in question is bolded.
When I watched this, even though in the past I've thought it was quite a nice line, I found myself thinking it seems quite out of place-- and that's because Charmed had already established what their purpose is: to protect innocents. And I think if someone was to say this, it wouldn't be Phoebe, because she's all about innocents, and from day one magic has given her a purpose.
Obviously, in a lot of ways, I'm reading too much into this line, because in some ways it does make sense, because it finally gives a reason for why protecting innocents is so important, and gives a bigger reason for why the wiccan world would need such powerful witches. And if course, why I've previously always liked this line is because I'm of the stance that Charmed would be quite boring (for me) if it never evolved past innocents, and demon of the week. Giving a greater purpose to the sisters, in my mind, gives a greater purpose to the show.
But despite all that, I'll still maintain from this point on that this line is out of place, because it marks how the show changed from that point on, and I think it was this line that made the show irredeemable from what it started out as. Especially as when I was rewatching season three straight after, I really felt a shift from what season one and two was like. And I just think this line sums up everything Kern thinks the show is like, which just led us down the path he made.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 31, 2020 7:45:05 GMT -5
I agree with all the moments already mentioned as being the jump the shark moment, although I also think for a show like Charmed, it's really hard to pinpoint a specific moment. I do agree that the ultimate no turning back moment was the moment Wyatt was born and they found out he was a he, not a she. I also really like the term "pre-jumps" because I think that's just a perfect way to describe other moments that people have mentioned. And I do agree that in many ways, the ending of Charmed and Dangerous is the second biggest contender for being the jump the shark moment. However, that said, I was recently rewatching season two, and there was a moment at the end of Be Careful for What You Witch For that I know think was possibly the "jump the shark" moment, because I think in this line, everything that became wrong with Charmed all can be traced back to this (especially as Kern wrote this episode). Line in question is bolded. When I watched this, even though in the past I've thought it was quite a nice line, I found myself thinking it seems quite out of place-- and that's because Charmed had already established what their purpose is: to protect innocents. And I think if someone was to say this, it wouldn't be Phoebe, because she's all about innocents, and from day one magic has given her a purpose. Obviously, in a lot of ways, I'm reading too much into this line, because in some ways it does make sense, because it finally gives a reason for why protecting innocents is so important, and gives a bigger reason for why the wiccan world would need such powerful witches. And if course, why I've previously always liked this line is because I'm of the stance that Charmed would be quite boring (for me) if it never evolved past innocents, and demon of the week. Giving a greater purpose to the sisters, in my mind, gives a greater purpose to the show. But despite all that, I'll still maintain from this point on that this line is out of place, because it marks how the show changed from that point on, and I think it was this line that made the show irredeemable from what it started out as. Especially as when I was rewatching season three straight after, I really felt a shift from what season one and two was like. And I just think this line sums up everything Kern thinks the show is like, which just led us down the path he made. Were you actually shocked when that moment happened? I wasn't. And if you weren't, it's not a jump-the-shark moment. It might be a pre-one - and a very good one - but not THE moment. Remember, it's a MOMENT that shocks you and makes the show different than it was. I'm still thinking that mine is when they saw something between Prudence Melinda's legs when suddenly a show about girl power and about sisters who happen to be witches became all about a twice-blessed BOY with a prophecy of his own that we'd never heard of up to that point and who was more powerful than the most powerful witches ever born combined. It was never the same after that. |
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Post by Maite Halliwell on Oct 31, 2020 8:48:00 GMT -5
I agree with all the moments already mentioned as being the jump the shark moment, although I also think for a show like Charmed, it's really hard to pinpoint a specific moment. I do agree that the ultimate no turning back moment was the moment Wyatt was born and they found out he was a he, not a she. I also really like the term "pre-jumps" because I think that's just a perfect way to describe other moments that people have mentioned. And I do agree that in many ways, the ending of Charmed and Dangerous is the second biggest contender for being the jump the shark moment. However, that said, I was recently rewatching season two, and there was a moment at the end of Be Careful for What You Witch For that I know think was possibly the "jump the shark" moment, because I think in this line, everything that became wrong with Charmed all can be traced back to this (especially as Kern wrote this episode). Line in question is bolded. When I watched this, even though in the past I've thought it was quite a nice line, I found myself thinking it seems quite out of place-- and that's because Charmed had already established what their purpose is: to protect innocents. And I think if someone was to say this, it wouldn't be Phoebe, because she's all about innocents, and from day one magic has given her a purpose. Obviously, in a lot of ways, I'm reading too much into this line, because in some ways it does make sense, because it finally gives a reason for why protecting innocents is so important, and gives a bigger reason for why the wiccan world would need such powerful witches. And if course, why I've previously always liked this line is because I'm of the stance that Charmed would be quite boring (for me) if it never evolved past innocents, and demon of the week. Giving a greater purpose to the sisters, in my mind, gives a greater purpose to the show. But despite all that, I'll still maintain from this point on that this line is out of place, because it marks how the show changed from that point on, and I think it was this line that made the show irredeemable from what it started out as. Especially as when I was rewatching season three straight after, I really felt a shift from what season one and two was like. And I just think this line sums up everything Kern thinks the show is like, which just led us down the path he made. Were you actually shocked when that moment happened? I wasn't. And if you weren't, it's not a jump-the-shark moment. It might be a pre-one - and a very good one - but not THE moment. Remember, it's a MOMENT that shocks you and makes the show different than it was. I'm still thinking that mine is when they saw something between Prudence Melinda's legs when suddenly a show about girl power and about sisters who happen to be witches became all about a twice-blessed BOY with a prophecy of his own that we'd never heard of up to that point and who was more powerful than the most powerful witches ever born combined. It was never the same after that. Personally, for me, yeah it did shock me. Only on this rewatch, but I haven't re-watched season two in years, and last time I watched it my opinions were different. But as a general, if I think about when it first aired, no I don't think this would've been shocking to me, so yeah, I agree you're right, this probably isn't THE moment. But I think for me, it will be always from this point on the first pre-jump. I know there's other points that people would have as pre-jumps, but before this moment, there's not for me, personally. But yes, I agree that Wyatt's birth is THE moment, as that's what I've always thought, and will continue to now I've thought about how I'd react to the season two scene if I watched it when it was airing. |
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 31, 2020 9:04:06 GMT -5
When I watched this, even though in the past I've thought it was quite a nice line, I found myself thinking it seems quite out of place-- and that's because Charmed had already established what their purpose is: to protect innocents. And I think if someone was to say this, it wouldn't be Phoebe, because she's all about innocents, and from day one magic has given her a purpose. Obviously, in a lot of ways, I'm reading too much into this line, because in some ways it does make sense, because it finally gives a reason for why protecting innocents is so important, and gives a bigger reason for why the wiccan world would need such powerful witches. And if course, why I've previously always liked this line is because I'm of the stance that Charmed would be quite boring (for me) if it never evolved past innocents, and demon of the week. Giving a greater purpose to the sisters, in my mind, gives a greater purpose to the show. But despite all that, I'll still maintain from this point on that this line is out of place, because it marks how the show changed from that point on, and I think it was this line that made the show irredeemable from what it started out as. Especially as when I was rewatching season three straight after, I really felt a shift from what season one and two was like. And I just think this line sums up everything Kern thinks the show is like, which just led us down the path he made. This line does change things quite a bit. I remember re-watching the Wendigo episode a while ago, and Piper is wanting to help Billy with what she's pretty sure could be something supernatural. Of course, this is also after being attacked herself. But Prue is basically telling her to not worry about it and just get on with her life. She wasn't being insensitive, but their attitude at this point was to not get involved unless something directly impacted them. This is just an example of how much things changed later on. Imagine if this storyline had happened in season 3 or later. The sisters wouldn't rest until the Wendigo was vanquished. The whole plot would wrap up much faster. But in the actual episode, it takes a while for everyone to even get on board with being willing to solve the mystery. And I agree, Maite, that magic itself has always been Phoebe's purpose. She didn't need a reason to have powers other than to save innocents. It didn't all need to add up to something for her. I'm on the other side of things in that as much as I enjoyed the plots from seasons 3 and 4, I don't think I would have gotten bored of them just saving innocents and seeing how magic meshed with their normal lives. At least, I could have gone a lot longer watching seasons like 1 and 2 before I felt like there had to be some greater purpose to it all. |
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Post by Maite Halliwell on Oct 31, 2020 10:05:16 GMT -5
When I watched this, even though in the past I've thought it was quite a nice line, I found myself thinking it seems quite out of place-- and that's because Charmed had already established what their purpose is: to protect innocents. And I think if someone was to say this, it wouldn't be Phoebe, because she's all about innocents, and from day one magic has given her a purpose. Obviously, in a lot of ways, I'm reading too much into this line, because in some ways it does make sense, because it finally gives a reason for why protecting innocents is so important, and gives a bigger reason for why the wiccan world would need such powerful witches. And if course, why I've previously always liked this line is because I'm of the stance that Charmed would be quite boring (for me) if it never evolved past innocents, and demon of the week. Giving a greater purpose to the sisters, in my mind, gives a greater purpose to the show. But despite all that, I'll still maintain from this point on that this line is out of place, because it marks how the show changed from that point on, and I think it was this line that made the show irredeemable from what it started out as. Especially as when I was rewatching season three straight after, I really felt a shift from what season one and two was like. And I just think this line sums up everything Kern thinks the show is like, which just led us down the path he made. This line does change things quite a bit. I remember re-watching the Wendigo episode a while ago, and Piper is wanting to help Billy with what she's pretty sure could be something supernatural. Of course, this is also after being attacked herself. But Prue is basically telling her to not worry about it and just get on with her life. She wasn't being insensitive, but their attitude at this point was to not get involved unless something directly impacted them. This is just an example of how much things changed later on. Imagine if this storyline had happened in season 3 or later. The sisters wouldn't rest until the Wendigo was vanquished. The whole plot would wrap up much faster. But in the actual episode, it takes a while for everyone to even get on board with being willing to solve the mystery. And I agree, Maite, that magic itself has always been Phoebe's purpose. She didn't need a reason to have powers other than to save innocents. It didn't all need to add up to something for her. I'm on the other side of things in that as much as I enjoyed the plots from seasons 3 and 4, I don't think I would have gotten bored of them just saving innocents and seeing how magic meshed with their normal lives. At least, I could have gone a lot longer watching seasons like 1 and 2 before I felt like there had to be some greater purpose to it all. Yes, you bring up a good point about the wendigo episode-- if it had happened later on, the sisters would straight away focus on vanquishing it, while complaining about it, most likely. And yes, that's exactly it, to Phoebe it didn't need to add up to something, it didn't need to be this great purpose, because for Phoebe, saving innocents was enough. Which is why I felt this line was so out of character. I think it's interesting to see which side different people fall onto when it comes to plots. Although I do think that they brought in the greater purpose thing at the right time-- too soon as it'd be unbelievable how newbies at the craft could take on such powerful beings, Charmed or not, but if they had waited until season four or later, it would feel more like they're just trying to keep a show running past it's time. Which is why I like the greater purpose thing, because having it like season one and two, in my mind, I think puts a deadline on how long it could go on for. Although, I do think the exception to this is if the defeating the source was their greater purpose, but he stayed only in the background like season one, for all the seasons, but then they had that in the final series, they were taking him directly on, which would tie the show up nicely with them achieving their destiny. That said, I really wish they kept more to how season one and two was, keeping at the theme of innocents and how magic meshes with their non magical lives longer, as they went into more dramatic arcs, because I've really enjoyed watching season one and two: there's definitely a certain charm to it, that is lost in the other seasons. Also. Just editing this post of mine to add a question relevant to this discussion, which I was originally meant to put in my original post: is there any particular reason that when discussing jump the shark moments, and people offer up Piper's explosion power as a moment, why it's always referenced as Piper blowing up the watermelon and not the clock? It's just something that makes me curious, because I don't know if there's a reason fans tend to cite the watermelon as the shocking moment-- is it because Piper was shown to freeze a watermelon before, so it's a parallel, or is it because that was when it was confirmed it was Piper doing it, whereas with the clock you couldn't be 100% sure? |
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Post by yorshgogo21 on Jan 31, 2021 1:34:17 GMT -5
I also agree that killing the source was a major turning point for the show. Seasons 1-4 had the source as the antagonist of the show.
After that, season 5 became a monster of the week type of thing. This is actually my least favorite season because it has no storyline. It was all about Piper being pregnant and Phoebe being a world class bitch to Cole to the point of driving him insane.
Another moment, yes definitely Wyatt being born. Not only, as it has been mentioned, does it go against the entire premise of the show being about "a line of female witches", but they never even bother to explain why it was a boy and not a girl. Another thing that bothered me was how everybody's power were well explained except for Wyatt's who basically could do anything he wanted. It was insane how many powers they gave him, they even gave him excalibur, come on!
And then, there s that episode from season 6 when Paige and Phoebe get Phoebe's high school friend killed even though Phoebe spent half of season 5 being a nasty bitch and hollier than thou to Cole. She even makes it her life goal to vanquish him for killing the landlord and some criminals because they were human, but it was OK for her to get a human killed just to get the scavenger demons off Chris' back.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 1, 2021 8:55:17 GMT -5
For me, it's Paige having whitelighter powers. In this thread, most of you have pinpointed Wyatt's birth as the moment but Wyatt wouldn't have been possible without Paige as it set a precedent for whitelighters having children and being able to pass on their powers. The introduction of Paige was a necessary evil to continue the show but giving her whitelighter abilities wasn't. Having Paige not be Sam's or be Sam's at a moment where he is human, could cause an issue. You'd then wonder why they'd need to give Paige up at all.
But perhaps Sam is made mortal at some point and it's this point, he and Patty conceive Paige. The fear of Paige being taken from them could still be there. This is, as far as they know, the first child to be sired by a man who was technically dead. It's an unknown. Perhaps Penny believes for one reason or another that the Elders won't let this be. So they bind Paige's powers, cloak her and give her up to protect her from the Elders and the Source.
Without Paige being a witchlighter, Wyatt (or Prudence Melinda) could still be born and without the Twice Blessed nonsense. As Elle suggests, the babies sex wouldn't have been as much of a deal breaker had he not been powerful. After all, if I'm right in thinking the no men rule is only revealed by Grams (who was pretty anti-men anyway) after Wyatt's birth and there is no other evidence to really back this up.
So is Wyatt the moment? Or is he simply a result of something earlier? For me, he is a result of Paige's witchlighterness, something that should've been impossible.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 26, 2021 2:47:29 GMT -5
I think, for the general audience, it was S7. If it truly was about Paige and/or Wyatt, the series would've ended a long time ago, but it didn't because I think the excitement ended with S7, IMO.
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Post by rebooted on Oct 27, 2021 0:47:46 GMT -5
I think its Secret and Guys when Leo showcases stronger powers than all three sisters and the philosophy of white lighters. I would have preferred male witches being the healers/teachers in the family or a particular sect of witches that have healing powers. From there, it just become about the forbidden love which then opened up the magical community, rather than focusing on wicca /witchcraft. The part where I dont think a lot of thought took place was in Secrets in Guys when Leo tells Phoebe that he's a whitelighter and the forbidden storyline. It feels like it was put in their as a story explainer. The concept of whitelighters and also male witches wasn't thought out well. In a way I think Charmed jumped the shark because of the premise being about female witches later being overpowered by whitelighters who became the stronger species. Leo being another witch would have been better than introducing whitelighters |
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