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Post by rebooted on Aug 25, 2023 20:02:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s an unfortunately common occurrence when it comes to Charmed: good ideas poorly executed. Agreed. But when it comes to Charmed it's the worst when it comes to crafting storyarcs. Charmed is a comfort show you can watch any episode at any point and be entertained for 42 mins. This is true too. I can sit and watch Season 6 and be entertained |
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Post by myystery on Aug 26, 2023 7:53:40 GMT -5
I liked the idea of season 6 in terms of the storyline concerning Chris's future and himself as a character I just wish both of them had been thought out more and being better written because there was so much potential to go in-depth more and show Chris's backstory plus his relationships with Bianca and Wyatt. Their future could've been shown more in flashbacks which I would've enjoyed especially if Phoebe discovered what that future was through premonitions. It would have also been interesting had the Charmed One's time-travelled and seen what that was like themselves so I don't necessarily dislike season 6 wholly it just could've been done better IMO then. I think that Season 6 could have been one of the BEST seasons potentially and agree what what you have said above. Yes, I liked Charmed best when they did standalone episodes that are light-hearted but still serious in terms of being clearly a drama series and not a dramedy or outright comedy. That's what bugs me about later seasons too; they stopped being a drama series and somehow poorly imitated a show like Desperate Housewives (which I love, but in a different way from early Charmed seasons). Seasons 3 and especially 4 were dark and it was right to move back to a lighter tone, but they went for silly instead of light-hearted and I hated that. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 26, 2023 12:01:37 GMT -5
Yes, I liked Charmed best when they did standalone episodes that are light-hearted but still serious in terms of being clearly a drama series and not a dramedy or outright comedy. That's what bugs me about later seasons too; they stopped being a drama series and somehow poorly imitated a show like Desperate Housewives (which I love, but in a different way from early Charmed seasons). Seasons 3 and especially 4 were dark and it was right to move back to a lighter tone, but they went for silly instead of light-hearted and I hated that. I just want to say Charmed ALWAYS had some "background overall story arc" going on, in ALL seasons! S1 - Had Rex & Hannah for S1A. Along with the Prue & Andy relationship struggle. And REALLY late, in the season had the Piper & Leo drama which would continue later into S2, but I digress. Along with a minor Rodriguez storyline. S2 - Piper & Leo triangle with Dan. S3 - What's up with Cole & Phoebe? S4 - Prue's dead, but what's up with Cole & Phoebe? Cole's the source, now? Phoebe's pregnant? Cole's back? S5 - We all hate Cole, and Piper's pregnant! Piper's baby is special and powerful! S6 - What's up with Chris? S7 - S7A the Avatars & S7B Leo must be punished. S8 - Billie
No season really just had straight up stand alone episodes without some overarching storyline happening in the background. That being said, some seasons may have been stronger in that than others. If we JUST look at the stand alone episodes in S6 and FORGET about Chris, MANY great stand alone episodes that are watchable and can easily ignore the Chris storyline. The same way everybody ignores the S2 love triangle.
In regards to dramatic over comedic, I understand this argument, actually. I even created a poll about it via How Do You Preferred Charmed to be? Where do You Lean?. For me, personally, I don't mind the comedic route. I'm not super into all of the SERIOUSNESS that Charmed brings, BUT others do, and that's OK! If you actually notice, A LOT of my preferred episodes are the more fun ones than super serious ones, and that's OK! I totally get this argument! |
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Post by greta on Aug 26, 2023 14:59:11 GMT -5
I've been thinking long and hard about this. I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm going to note down several potential points for now and some I picked up from reading this thread and put together in this post. NOTE: I haven't got time right now to write in cons for all the others yet. But anybody is feel to add to the list. I see we have a growing the beard moment thread somewhere. But I can't find it. I saw it a week ago. Nice to pin-point that in comparison with the jumping the shark moment. You'll get to figure out what IS CHARMED for you. With your ideal season being between the growing the beard moment and jump the shark moment. 1) Leo is healed and brought back by Piper and sticks around going into S2. - Love Hurts
CONS: Moving Forward *More whitelighter mythology which leads to Elders which leads to Up There. *Damaging Piper's character in the long run. *The creation of half-white lighters. 2) Andy's death - Deja Vu All Over AgainCONS: Moving forward. *The show feels less grounded with a mortal/non-magical voice. *Darryl's character has nobody to bounce off. And has no sense of purpose other than being a plot device for crime-related scenes. *The sisters lose their grounded connection to someone from their past they all grew up with and new pre-becoming witches. *The show becomes 70% magical (including Leo's character) and 30% grounded (Darryl, Dan S2, and then 10% grounded in S3 when Cole's introduced), where it was 50%/50% split with Andy in S1. 3) When Prue gets a new power and Astral Projects - Ms. Hellfire
4) When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom or When Cole makes the scene of the crime - The Honeymoon's Over
5) Piper's new power when she blew up the watermelon - Exit Strategy.
CONS: Moving forward. *Less use of freezing power. *Continuation of a second power for the sisters. *Piper acting as a Power of One to blow up demons left and right. *Less reliance on PO3 spells and being creative using their combined powers. 6) - When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole - Sleuthing With the Enemy
7) Prue's death - All Hell Breaks Loose
8) When Paige orbs - Charmed Again
9) When Coles eyes turn black - Charmed and Dangerous
10) Wyatt's birth - The Day the Magic Died
11) The Introduction of Magic School - The Legend of Sleepy Halliwell
12) The Introduction of Billie - Still Charmed and KickingYour really did well here noting down all the jump the Shark possible moments. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 26, 2023 15:26:48 GMT -5
I decided to repeat this one because Keeper did such a great job with it. I've been thinking long and hard about this. I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm going to note down several potential points for now and some I picked up from reading this thread and put together in this post. NOTE: I haven't got time right now to write in cons for all the others yet. But anybody is feel to add to the list. I see we have a growing the beard moment thread somewhere. But I can't find it. I saw it a week ago. Nice to pin-point that in comparison with the jumping the shark moment. You'll get to figure out what IS CHARMED for you. With your ideal season being between the growing the beard moment and jump the shark moment. 1) Leo is healed and brought back by Piper and sticks around going into S2. - Love Hurts
CONS: Moving Forward *More whitelighter mythology which leads to Elders which leads to Up There. *Damaging Piper's character in the long run. *The creation of half-white lighters. 2) Andy's death - Deja Vu All Over AgainCONS: Moving forward. *The show feels less grounded with a mortal/non-magical voice. *Darryl's character has nobody to bounce off. And has no sense of purpose other than being a plot device for crime-related scenes. *The sisters lose their grounded connection to someone from their past they all grew up with and new pre-becoming witches. *The show becomes 70% magical (including Leo's character) and 30% grounded (Darryl, Dan S2, and then 10% grounded in S3 when Cole's introduced), where it was 50%/50% split with Andy in S1. 3) When Prue gets a new power and Astral Projects - Ms. Hellfire
4) When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom or When Cole makes the scene of the crime - The Honeymoon's Over
5) Piper's new power when she blew up the watermelon - Exit Strategy.
CONS: Moving forward. *Less use of freezing power. *Continuation of a second power for the sisters. *Piper acting as a Power of One to blow up demons left and right. *Less reliance on PO3 spells and being creative using their combined powers. 6) When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole - Sleuthing With the Enemy
7) Prue's death - All Hell Breaks Loose
8) When Paige orbs - Charmed Again
9) When Coles eyes turn black - Charmed and Dangerous
10) Wyatt's birth - The Day the Magic Died
11) The Introduction of Magic School - The Legend of Sleepy Halliwell
12) The Introduction of Billie - Still Charmed and Kicking |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 26, 2023 16:07:42 GMT -5
Should add Holly and Alyssa becoming producers in S5, as that's when some folks are pointing fingers at the beginning of S5.
Along with our conversations about how the actors were having a say in how the show should go, and both Holly & Alyssa having "producer" titles, definitely gives them a say on the show's direction.
With how much Holly hates S1, I can see her turning away and erasing their S1 roots.
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Post by West on Aug 26, 2023 16:39:14 GMT -5
Should add Holly and Alyssa becoming producers in S5, as that's when some folks are pointing fingers at the beginning of S5. Along with our conversations about how the actors were having a say in how the show should go, and both Holly & Alyssa having "producer" titles, definitely gives them a say on the show's direction. With how much Holly hates S1, I can see her turning away and erasing their S1 roots. That's true. She HATES S1. I won't be surprised she pats herself on the back when they get to S5 with how much better things are with them as producers. But I hope they can still call out bad writing. I agree that is a jump the shark moment. But I suppose this thread is on-screen moment not off screen. But I suppose you can still count it. When their producer titles first appeared on-screen in S5. |
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Post by West on Aug 26, 2023 16:40:22 GMT -5
I decided to repeat this one because Keeper did such a great job with it. I've been thinking long and hard about this. I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm going to note down several potential points for now and some I picked up from reading this thread and put together in this post. NOTE: I haven't got time right now to write in cons for all the others yet. But anybody is feel to add to the list. I see we have a growing the beard moment thread somewhere. But I can't find it. I saw it a week ago. Nice to pin-point that in comparison with the jumping the shark moment. You'll get to figure out what IS CHARMED for you. With your ideal season being between the growing the beard moment and jump the shark moment. 1) Leo is healed and brought back by Piper and sticks around going into S2. - Love Hurts
CONS: Moving Forward *More whitelighter mythology which leads to Elders which leads to Up There. *Damaging Piper's character in the long run. *The creation of half-white lighters. 2) Andy's death - Deja Vu All Over AgainCONS: Moving forward. *The show feels less grounded with a mortal/non-magical voice. *Darryl's character has nobody to bounce off. And has no sense of purpose other than being a plot device for crime-related scenes. *The sisters lose their grounded connection to someone from their past they all grew up with and new pre-becoming witches. *The show becomes 70% magical (including Leo's character) and 30% grounded (Darryl, Dan S2, and then 10% grounded in S3 when Cole's introduced), where it was 50%/50% split with Andy in S1. 3) When Prue gets a new power and Astral Projects - Ms. Hellfire
4) When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom or When Cole makes the scene of the crime - The Honeymoon's Over
5) Piper's new power when she blew up the watermelon - Exit Strategy.
CONS: Moving forward. *Less use of freezing power. *Continuation of a second power for the sisters. *Piper acting as a Power of One to blow up demons left and right. *Less reliance on PO3 spells and being creative using their combined powers. 6) When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole - Sleuthing With the Enemy
7) Prue's death - All Hell Breaks Loose
8) When Paige orbs - Charmed Again
9) When Coles eyes turn black - Charmed and Dangerous
10) Wyatt's birth - The Day the Magic Died
11) The Introduction of Magic School - The Legend of Sleepy Halliwell
12) The Introduction of Billie - Still Charmed and KickingGreat list! Maybe we can keep adding to it. Then do a poll once we get a lengthy list of 30 or more. Proboscis has a limit I think of 50 choices. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Aug 26, 2023 18:46:56 GMT -5
Should add Holly and Alyssa becoming producers in S5, as that's when some folks are pointing fingers at the beginning of S5. Along with our conversations about how the actors were having a say in how the show should go, and both Holly & Alyssa having "producer" titles, definitely gives them a say on the show's direction. With how much Holly hates S1, I can see her turning away and erasing their S1 roots. That's true. She HATES S1. I won't be surprised she pats herself on the back when they get to S5 with how much better things are with them as producers. But I hope they can still call out bad writing. I agree that is a jump the shark moment. But I suppose this thread is on-screen moment not off screen. But I suppose you can still count it. When their producer titles first appeared on-screen in S5. The more I hear about the podcast dears, the more I don't think I'll listen to it. I can be kept updated by reading what others have to say about it here. I'm upset to hear Holly hates S1. But it shouldn't surprise anybody with what happened once they became producers. It makes me think less of them. What's the point of being an actress if she and the others just want to self-insert themselves into their roles?
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Post by zack on Aug 26, 2023 19:46:42 GMT -5
I decided to repeat this one because Keeper did such a great job with it. Great list! Maybe we can keep adding to it. Then do a poll once we get a lengthy list of 30 or more. Proboscis has a limit I think of 50 choices. Very good suggestion.
We'll have to come up with more and add to the list.
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Post by zack on Aug 26, 2023 19:48:44 GMT -5
I decided to repeat this one because Keeper did such a great job with it. I've been thinking long and hard about this. I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm going to note down several potential points for now and some I picked up from reading this thread and put together in this post. NOTE: I haven't got time right now to write in cons for all the others yet. But anybody is feel to add to the list. I see we have a growing the beard moment thread somewhere. But I can't find it. I saw it a week ago. Nice to pin-point that in comparison with the jumping the shark moment. You'll get to figure out what IS CHARMED for you. With your ideal season being between the growing the beard moment and jump the shark moment. 1) Leo is healed and brought back by Piper and sticks around going into S2. - Love Hurts
CONS: Moving Forward *More whitelighter mythology which leads to Elders which leads to Up There. *Damaging Piper's character in the long run. *The creation of half-white lighters. 2) Andy's death - Deja Vu All Over AgainCONS: Moving forward. *The show feels less grounded with a mortal/non-magical voice. *Darryl's character has nobody to bounce off. And has no sense of purpose other than being a plot device for crime-related scenes. *The sisters lose their grounded connection to someone from their past they all grew up with and new pre-becoming witches. *The show becomes 70% magical (including Leo's character) and 30% grounded (Darryl, Dan S2, and then 10% grounded in S3 when Cole's introduced), where it was 50%/50% split with Andy in S1. 3) When Prue gets a new power and Astral Projects - Ms. Hellfire
4) When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom or When Cole makes the scene of the crime - The Honeymoon's Over
5) Piper's new power when she blew up the watermelon - Exit Strategy.
CONS: Moving forward. *Less use of freezing power. *Continuation of a second power for the sisters. *Piper acting as a Power of One to blow up demons left and right. *Less reliance on PO3 spells and being creative using their combined powers. 6) When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole - Sleuthing With the Enemy
7) Prue's death - All Hell Breaks Loose
8) When Paige orbs - Charmed Again
9) When Coles eyes turn black - Charmed and Dangerous
10) Wyatt's birth - The Day the Magic Died
11) The Introduction of Magic School - The Legend of Sleepy Halliwell
12) The Introduction of Billie - Still Charmed and Kicking
Good list!
I can't think of anything to add atm but right now all I have as a possible pick is the introduction of Chris coming from the future.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 27, 2023 1:53:43 GMT -5
The more I hear about the podcast dears, the more I don't think I'll listen to it. I can be kept updated by reading what others have to say about it here. I'm upset to hear Holly hates S1. But it shouldn't surprise anybody with what happened once they became producers. It makes me think less of them. What's the point of being an actress if she and the others just want to self-insert themselves into their roles? Yeah, the more I hear from Holly, the more I'm starting to dislike her, unfortunately. And, her "input" is nowhere near what the show should've been. All this talk of dragging Kern through the mud, when the actors are equally as guilty. Granted, Kern is the "ultimate say" (aside from the Network) and probably "approved" a lot of their garbage, but I still don't want to SOLELY blame him, since it DOES take a TEAM to create all of this. |
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Post by Emmett on Aug 27, 2023 15:04:32 GMT -5
The more I hear about the podcast dears, the more I don't think I'll listen to it. I can be kept updated by reading what others have to say about it here. I'm upset to hear Holly hates S1. But it shouldn't surprise anybody with what happened once they became producers. It makes me think less of them. What's the point of being an actress if she and the others just want to self-insert themselves into their roles? Yeah, the more I hear from Holly, the more I'm starting to dislike her, unfortunately. And, her "input" is nowhere near what the show should've been. All this talk of dragging Kern through the mud, when the actors are equally as guilty. Granted, Kern is the "ultimate say" (aside from the Network) and probably "approved" a lot of their garbage, but I still don't want to SOLELY blame him, since it DOES take a TEAM to create all of this. It is. Kern, Spelling, the WB Network and the actors. All of them saw the show differently same with all the different writers. It was a struggle for them to try and compromise without getting into disagreements. I'm sure Kern caved to the actresses demands once they became producers. He has no backbone to say "No" like him with the WB Network. LOL I'd love to see what'll happen when they get to S5-S8, which half the fandom hates. How they'll defend all the decisions they made as a producer with the backlash. But I feel like they won't ever hear all the real dislike from the fandom that dislikes it, because I'm sure all their patrons are kissing their ass. |
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Post by zack on Aug 27, 2023 15:59:46 GMT -5
Yeah, the more I hear from Holly, the more I'm starting to dislike her, unfortunately. And, her "input" is nowhere near what the show should've been. All this talk of dragging Kern through the mud, when the actors are equally as guilty. Granted, Kern is the "ultimate say" (aside from the Network) and probably "approved" a lot of their garbage, but I still don't want to SOLELY blame him, since it DOES take a TEAM to create all of this. It is. Kern, Spelling, the WB Network and the actors. All of them saw the show differently same with all the different writers. It was a struggle for them to try and compromise without getting into disagreements. I'm sure Kern caved to the actresses demands once they became producers. He has no backbone to say "No" like him with the WB Network. LOL I'd love to see what'll happen when they get to S5-S8, which half the fandom hates. How they'll defend all the decisions they made as a producer with the backlash. But I feel like they won't ever hear all the real dislike from the fandom that dislikes it, because I'm sure all their patrons are kissing their ass.
I wish the cast didn't have that much say. After all its not their show. I don't like hearing how much influence they had over their characters. I really wonder if that's why Shannen was fired for all her demands.
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Post by aggiefan12 on Aug 27, 2023 17:55:50 GMT -5
Should add Holly and Alyssa becoming producers in S5, as that's when some folks are pointing fingers at the beginning of S5. Along with our conversations about how the actors were having a say in how the show should go, and both Holly & Alyssa having "producer" titles, definitely gives them a say on the show's direction. With how much Holly hates S1, I can see her turning away and erasing their S1 roots. Don't you get more money being a producer on a show than just being an actor? |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 27, 2023 18:00:13 GMT -5
Should add Holly and Alyssa becoming producers in S5, as that's when some folks are pointing fingers at the beginning of S5. Along with our conversations about how the actors were having a say in how the show should go, and both Holly & Alyssa having "producer" titles, definitely gives them a say on the show's direction. With how much Holly hates S1, I can see her turning away and erasing their S1 roots. Don't you get more money being a producer on a show than just being an actor? IDK about the economics of the situation, but I do know Producers have some sway over how the writing will go, in the series. Which is my main point of contention. And, Holly has admitted in interviews, she fought for her producer title to have some say, on the show. |
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Post by greta on Aug 27, 2023 18:56:52 GMT -5
Don't you get more money being a producer on a show than just being an actor? IDK about the economics of the situation, but I do know Producers have some sway over how the writing will go, in the series. Which is my main point of contention. And, Holly has admitted in interviews, she fought for her producer title to have some say, on the show. And am I horrible in wishing she never got her wish and became producer.  Not that it would've done much in writing but maybe Piper would be less Holly and we'd get more push-back. But it doesn't seem like a producer title really even stopped them making changes to the characters as early as S2. Shannen got her way with Prue's photography and she wasn't even a producer then. You can bet if she stuck around, she'd have been a producer like Holly in S5.
It sounds like they were much more vocal after S1. S1 they really must have been sticking to the script and characters and went along. But after one year of doing that they started to protest more, which explains Holly's dislike of S1.
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Post by louislemon on Aug 31, 2023 6:10:04 GMT -5
Starting this thread, my very first one. To ask members what their jump the shark moment was on Charmed? I came across a thread asking When did Charmed get its growing the beard moment, so this thread can be a companion to that. Again just to clarify (A true jump-the-shark moment is just a moment, not a season or even an entire episode, it's a moment, it got the name from Fonzie skiing and jumping over a shark.) So some examples may be: When Leo proposed to Piper in the bathroom When Piper got her new power and blew up the watermelon When Phoebe lied to her sisters about Cole When Paige orbs When Wyatt was born Hi Julian Would you mind explaining to me why Piper blowing up the watermelon and Paige orbing is considered jumping the shark moment? Do you mean you think it was gimmicky? I’m just a bit confused cos I thought jump the shark meant when a show did something outrageous to gain views due to the show being less popular now? Thank you.  ✨ |
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Post by myystery on Sept 1, 2023 7:16:52 GMT -5
AaeiynI know Charmed always had some overarching storylines, but I felt they were more like "you get to see it when you pay attention and watch all episodes" and not essential to the enjoyment of a single episode. That said, I do not mind some broader storylines. I also loved many episodes of the first four seasons which were fun and with plenty of comedy, but those were funny within the framework of a show that took itself at least halfway serious. From Season 5 on, the show went silly and that was my breaking point.
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Post by aggiefan12 on Sept 1, 2023 14:28:34 GMT -5
Don't you get more money being a producer on a show than just being an actor? IDK about the economics of the situation, but I do know Producers have some sway over how the writing will go, in the series. Which is my main point of contention. And, Holly has admitted in interviews, she fought for her producer title to have some say, on the show. They do have some sway but they still have to answer to the executive producers |
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Not that it would've done much in writing but maybe Piper would be less Holly and we'd get more push-back. But it doesn't seem like a producer title really even stopped them making changes to the characters as early as S2. Shannen got her way with Prue's photography and she wasn't even a producer then. You can bet if she stuck around, she'd have been a producer like Holly in S5. 
