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Post by K. Aabye on Jul 5, 2008 23:29:22 GMT -5
Patricia and Helen? Paige's adoptive mother was called Helen. That was what I first believed when I saw she had twins. It is more likely, but I don't get why Pandora is mentioned at so many places. Unfortunately, we will never know ultimately which names Paige chose for her twins nor will we know Phoebe's which is sad. I really believe they should have named them all, then again we wouldn't be able to roleplay so it is intentionally they've left all of them unknown (the names) except Piper's daughter and her two sons. Then we can make up the names ourselves, but it does give a lot of discussion.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 5, 2008 23:45:43 GMT -5
This is news to me. Have you seen a script reference because the name of Paige's adopted mother was never included in any of the broadcast information. Keith Topping's excellent companion book also could not provide any answers.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 6, 2008 4:09:54 GMT -5
Melinda --
Where did you see a reference to Helen Matthews?
I prefer Evelyn (for Paige's adoptive mother), myself.
And vandergraafk, why wouldn't Paige uphold the "P" tradition? On what are you basing that opinion?
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Post by K. Aabye on Jul 6, 2008 5:14:24 GMT -5
"A Paige from The Past" when her adoptive parents are arguing, the dad calls the mom Helen, atleast that was what I heard. It might have been different. That's weird, I could have sworn her name was Helen. I have no idea where I got this information from.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 7, 2008 0:26:50 GMT -5
Three reasons:
1) Paige is just so not into these kooky P traditions. That's not her personality. How many times did Paige heap scorn on Piper when she broached the tradition stuff?
2) Paige has a wry sense of humor. She likes things slightly off-beat. If anything, she would follow the J tradition and name one of the daughters Julie and maybe the other one Jen.
3) Deep in her heart, Paige believes in fate. Fate brought her to her sisters. The fact that she has twins must have something to do with the fact that she had twin mothers. Hence, to honor her mothers and to respect what fate has wrought, she would name them Patricia and ....
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Post by K. Aabye on Jul 7, 2008 2:22:45 GMT -5
huh? twin mothers? She didn't have twin mothers as far as I know, what do you mean? She had an adoptive mother and a birth mother..
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Post by kiriashra on Jul 9, 2008 23:52:42 GMT -5
you know, another reason why I think people get confused about it being Pipers daughter or not (because I never thought it was, but then again I never put much thought into it) was because they narrate Paige's kid and the twins, then said Phoebe has her little girl, and two other little girls...so they mention all 3 of Paige's and Phoebes kids in the end, but never do for Piper. The writers really should have been more specific.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 10, 2008 13:12:43 GMT -5
Of course, she doesn't have twin mothers. She has two mothers. Apparently, you missed the kharmic implications here. Paige wouldn't!
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Post by K. Aabye on Jul 11, 2008 3:27:37 GMT -5
Yeah I must have missed something.
Btw, back to the discussion of "Piper's daughter or not"
Katie had a blast working on Charmed and being a little Holly marie Combs was just too cool!
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 11, 2008 13:45:59 GMT -5
I'm sure she did. However, was she aware of the mood on the set during shooting of the finale? Was it sad, happy, looking for a silver lining?
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Post by K. Aabye on Jul 11, 2008 17:43:30 GMT -5
I'm about to send an email off to them and will include that question, because I don't know, all I know is what I told you on here. I will get back to you when I find out
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 12, 2008 8:41:50 GMT -5
Melinda -- the next time you see Katie, let her know that, although she played a very small role in the show, there are a lot of fans here who are very happy and excited for her having gotten to have that experience.  |
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 12, 2008 14:01:48 GMT -5
To quote Smokey Robinson, "I second that emotion."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 20:14:44 GMT -5
When it comes to the little girl who was seen with Wyatt and Chris in the infamous flash-forward, some Roland Barthes needs to be applied: Yes, it's very likely that Kern intended for her to be Piper's daughter. Phoebe and Paige were both shown with three kids, and it's very obvious that Kern wanted to depict all of the sisters each having three kids. I've also heard that an early version of the script showed the girl addressing Piper as "Mommy." However, NONE of that was in the ACTUAL AIRED EPISODE, which is the ONLY thing that is canon. Any lines that explicitly referred to her as Piper's daughter were cut from the final script, so all we got was a nameless, faceless little girl who was with Wyatt and Chris. Yes, she could've been a sister, but she could've also just as easily been a cousin or a visiting friend. It's not like we haven't seen Phoebe pick up her daughter from school with Wyatt and Chris before:  We simply DON'T KNOW who this girl is, which is why she's Mystery Girl until proven otherwise. Yes, the comics DO consider her to be Piper's daughter, but that ONLY applies to the comics' universe and not the canon of the actual show. The comics are only ONE interpretation of the character, not THE interpretation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 23:56:12 GMT -5
And it's most likely her identity will never be revealed.
Seem we had a Melinda Fallout here at the Cafe too. However, it didn't get as bad as it did at the original Charmed Sons board (one of the Admins threatened to quit over that whole mess).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 9:51:30 GMT -5
And it's most likely her identity will never be revealed. Probably not. Neither a spinoff or a movie are likely to happen, so this girl will remain faceless. Yes, you can do as the comics did and interpret her as Piper's daughter, but recognize that it isn't the only "correct" interpretation of the character. NOTHING in the actual episode actually identified her as Piper's daughter, so she could've just as easily been a cousin or visiting friend. And, this is why it aggravates the hell out of me to see places like Charmed Wiki treating "Melinda Halliwell" as if she was an actual character from the show. The interpretation of Mystery Girl as Piper's daughter (especially one named "Melinda") is FANON, not canon. The character does NOT exist outside of the comics and thus, has no business being on a SHOW-based Wiki. (Especially, not with a page that's equal-to-longer than those of a certain couple of antique-loving warlocks.) Seem we had a Melinda Fallout here at the Cafe too. However, it didn't get as bad as it did at the original Charmed Sons board (one of the Admins threatened to quit over that whole mess). Well, there (obviously) weren't as many people here who were super-invested in the Charmed Sons spinoff idea. Unfortunately, you could say that Mystery Girl was, yet, another rat that sunk that ship. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:32:11 GMT -5
That's why Charmed Wiki is total rubbish. No one should rely on it for any accurate information. There is NO such character as "Melinda Halliwell". The only such character was in a time line that no longer exists. That damned flash forward really torpedoed us, didn't it. Thanks a lot, Kern  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:01:59 GMT -5
That's why Charmed Wiki is total rubbish. No one should rely on it for any accurate information. There is NO such character as "Melinda Halliwell". The only such character was in a time line that no longer exists. It really is. You could argue that Charmed Wiki only has a "Melinda Halliwell" page because they treat the comics as canon, but lo and behold, a little digging around reveals that the page was created in 2007, LONG before the comics were even greenlit: There is not a SINGLE piece of canon information in that passage. Not even the part about "Morality Bites" Melinda.  That damned flash forward really torpedoed us, didn't it. Thanks a lot, Kern I know. I find it hard to believe that it WASN'T intentional. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 17:30:32 GMT -5
What!?
My opinion of Charmed Wiki goes even lower down.
As I said, these people clearly cannot tell fanon from canon.
Heck, if Charmed Wiki was not a member only thing, I might be tempted to go there and alter the Rex and Hannah entries to include information from the Rex and Hannah Chronicles. I mean, if one fanon is allowed, why not another. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 18:34:55 GMT -5
As I said, these people clearly cannot tell fanon from canon. Heck, if Charmed Wiki was not a member only thing, I might be tempted to go there and alter the Rex and Hannah entries to include information from the Rex and Hannah Chronicles. I mean, if one fanon is allowed, why not another. Right? Exactly. Even the comics are really nothing more than fanfiction, and not everything on that site has even THAT much backing. Again, I must remind you, THIS is what we saw of Mystery Girl:  That's it. She has neither a name or an identity, let alone a whole goddamn life story. She could be ANYONE. Again, yes, you could say that Kern intended for her to be Piper's daughter, but again, that's where Barthes comes into play--AUTHORIAL INTENT DOESN'T MEAN JACK. Piper never mentioned having a daughter, nor did we see any pictures of her, especially not with Wyatt and Chris. And, we never saw her call Piper "Mommy," or anything like that, either. She's Mystery Girl and nothing more. She's not worth writing a sentence about, let alone an entire Wiki entry. |
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