Phoebe's empath abilities

[ljones]

I believe that Esmeralda is referring to Paige and Phoebe's actions against Rick Guttridge (did I spell his name right?) in "Hyde School Reunion". Instead of simply orbing the gun out of the guy's hand, Phoebe suggested that Paige transform Rick's face into Chris's. Paige happily obliged. And both women knew that some demons were trying to kill Chris. Sure enough, once Paige had transformed Rick's face into Chris's, the demons killed him.

Phoebe and Paige has his blood on their hands.

[colehellsangel]

ljones said:

I believe that Esmeralda is referring to Paige and Phoebe's actions against Rick Guttridge (did I spell his name right?) in "Hyde School Reunion". Instead of simply orbing the gun out of the guy's hand, Phoebe suggested that Paige transform Rick's face into Chris's. Paige happily obliged. And both women knew that some demons were trying to kill Chris. Sure enough, once Paige had transformed Rick's face into Chris's, the demons killed him.

Phoebe and Paige has his blood on their hands.

Ah ok thanks for the reminded. And that also refreshed my memory of why the police had their eyes out for Chris in following episodes.

[Esmeralda]

ljones said:

I believe that Esmeralda is referring to Paige and Phoebe's actions against Rick Guttridge (did I spell his name right?) in "Hyde School Reunion". Instead of simply orbing the gun out of the guy's hand, Phoebe suggested that Paige transform Rick's face into Chris's. Paige happily obliged. And both women knew that some demons were trying to kill Chris. Sure enough, once Paige had transformed Rick's face into Chris's, the demons killed him.

Phoebe and Paige has his blood on their hands.

Thanks, ljones; that's exactly what I was talking about. Paige should've had one of her powers removed, too. In fact, the sisters should no longer have been Charmed (sorry, Piper, but unlike Prue, you did a horsesh*t job of keeping your sisters on track, so as the leader, you deserve to lose your powers just as much as they do), hence the reason why they never would've faced the Avatars. Phoebe is not the only one who should've been punished. She only was due to the budget constraints.

[colehellsangel]

esmeralda said:

ljones said:

I believe that Esmeralda is referring to Paige and Phoebe's actions against Rick Guttridge (did I spell his name right?) in "Hyde School Reunion". Instead of simply orbing the gun out of the guy's hand, Phoebe suggested that Paige transform Rick's face into Chris's. Paige happily obliged. And both women knew that some demons were trying to kill Chris. Sure enough, once Paige had transformed Rick's face into Chris's, the demons killed him.

Phoebe and Paige has his blood on their hands.

Thanks, ljones; that's exactly what I was talking about. Paige should've had one of her powers removed, too. In fact, the sisters should no longer have been Charmed (sorry, Piper, but unlike Prue, you did a horsesh*t job of keeping your sisters on track, so as the leader, you deserve to lose your powers just as much as they do), hence the reason why they never would've faced the Avatars. Phoebe is not the only one who should've been punished. She only was due to the budget constraints.

Well I have to say if what they did to the guy in Hyde School Reunion was as stupid a mistake as ljones says than I agree Paige should have had her powers stripped for a while.

[whitelightertony]

The Tribunal couldn't agree to strip powers from all three of the Charmed Ones because half of The Tribunal consisted of Elders, and they probably felt that stripping all three sisters of their powers would give Evil too much of an advantage. Yet, the demons on The Tribunal insisted there be some consequences (as per Barbas's argument)...so the four Tribunal members rationalized that Phoebe would be the scapegoat.

No, Phoebe never got back her levitation between "Crimes and Witch Demeanors" and "Forever Charmed." She probably earns back her levitation power, eventually, sometime in the months or years following the events of "Forever Charmed."

Phoebe never appears to earn back her empathic abilities either...except for a hint in "Once in a Blue Moon" when it's implied that faint remnants of Phoebe's empathy may be returning to her (Phoebe says she can feel Leslie pulling away from her).

Phoebe does, however, regain her ability to astral project into the future ("astral premonitions"), as seen in Season 8.

[pubesy]

for Paige to lose her powers it would have made plot lines too difficult for writers. i mean, they wouldn't be able to orb quickly, expecially since leo is powerless. how would they get to the underworld within 10 seconds of wanting to go there. how would they be able to orb out weapons from demons hands?

the season 8 plot needed phoebe to lose her powers. maybe the directors did not WANT her to gain back the empath abilities so the billie/christy storyline could be explained?

[Esmeralda]

pubesy said:

for Paige to lose her powers it would have made plot lines too difficult for writers. i mean, they wouldn't be able to orb quickly, expecially since leo is powerless. how would they get to the underworld within 10 seconds of wanting to go there. how would they be able to orb out weapons from demons hands?

the season 8 plot needed phoebe to lose her powers. maybe the directors did not WANT her to gain back the empath abilities so the billie/christy storyline could be explained?

And the fact that it would make it difficult for plotlines is a good reason not to do what is proper, namely stop the sisters from being Charmed??? *scratches head* Why shouldn't S7 or S8 be how they did better and earned and got their powers back, once more becoming women we could be proud of and not just ones we felt sorry for and were disgusted with because they continued to misuse their powers?? Either would've made a lot better (and cheaper) final season (depending which was--I would've prefered S7 so S8 never occured, just like I don't believe that it did.)

If anything, especially if Chris was behind that change, it would show how the future was truly changed--nothing that happened in S6-S8 showed why Wyatt wouldn't once more turn evil when, like his mother, his powers went to his head. (not counting the ending of Forever Charmed, which I'll always insist is Piper's fantasy as she burns, hence the reason why the pictures on the wall only show everyone as she knows them now, not as they would look in the future, except for herself and Leo who looked nothing like Leo and how the sisters could write about what was going to happen before it even happened) With what happened in those seasons, I'll bet in *this* future he's even more powerful and even more evil than he was in Chris' original future. He's probably the one who put his mother and aunts on the pyre...

[ljones]

The Tribunal couldn't agree to strip powers from all three of the Charmed Ones because half of The Tribunal consisted of Elders, and they probably felt that stripping all three sisters of their powers would give Evil too much of an advantage. Yet, the demons on The Tribunal insisted there be some consequences (as per Barbas's argument)...so the four Tribunal members rationalized that Phoebe would be the scapegoat.

Why in the hell do the sisters allow themselves to be under the authority of a tribunal consisted of whitelighters and demons, in the first place? Why would Brad Kern even allow such a thing?

And why bother sending the Angel of Destiny to give an offer to have their powers stripped, when two years later, they're afraid of stripping all of the sisters of their powers. And in regard to Rick Guttridge, only Phoebe and Paige would be punished, not Piper.

Well I have to say if what they did to the guy in Hyde School Reunion was as stupid a mistake as ljones says than I agree Paige should have had her powers stripped for a while.

I don't think that Phoebe and Paige considered it a mistake. They had acted with deliberate malice.

[Esmeralda]

ljones said:

Well I have to say if what they did to the guy in Hyde School Reunion was as stupid a mistake as ljones says than I agree Paige should have had her powers stripped for a while.

I don't think that Phoebe and Paige considered it a mistake. They had acted with deliberate malice.

That they did. Just like when the sisters deliberately planned and commited the premeditated murder of the Jenkinses sisters.

And Piper deserves to have her powers stripped because she's the leader--her sisters did that under her watch. Had she done a better job of reminding them what their true duties are and that Wrong Things Done for the Right Reasons are Still Wrong, Paige and Phoebe would've never even considered doing something like that. And (a joke here...) because if her sisters didn't have their powers, she sure shouldn't want hers!

[colehellsangel]

I don't think that Phoebe and Paige considered it a mistake. They had acted with deliberate malice.

right I meant from an audience member's point of view not what they considered it as.

[Esmeralda]

colehellsangel said:

I don't think that Phoebe and Paige considered it a mistake. They had acted with deliberate malice.

right I meant from an audience member's point of view not what they considered it as.

Maybe *some* members of the audience (like Kern) did...

[whitelightertony]

(not counting the ending of Forever Charmed, which I'll always insist is Piper's fantasy as she burns, hence the reason why the pictures on the wall only show everyone as she knows them now, not as they would look in the future, except for herself and Leo who looked nothing like Leo and how the sisters could write about what was going to happen before it even happened) With what happened in those seasons, I'll bet in *this* future he's even more powerful and even more evil than he was in Chris' original future. He's probably the one who put his mother and aunts on the pyre...

So you're speculating that, years down the road in the future (like 2020 or so), adult Wyatt becomes evil and is responsible for putting his mother and aunts on the pyre - - and that "Forever Charmed" is Piper envisioning the events she'd wished had transpired?

[whitelightertony]

Why in the hell do the sisters allow themselves to be under the authority of a tribunal consisted of whitelighters and demons, in the first place?

It was implied that The Tribunal has greater authority than the Halliwells, so they have no choice in the matter.

Why would Brad Kern even allow such a thing?

As a convenient way to write Phoebe's powers out of the storyline.

And why bother sending the Angel of Destiny to give an offer to have their powers stripped, when two years later, they're afraid of stripping all of the sisters of their powers.

The Angel who appeared in "Witch Way Now?" was only offering them the chance to embrace one potential destiny. After the sisters rejected his offer, they carved out a new branch of possible destinies for themselves.

So, two years later, since the sisters had rejected the offer in 2002, their powers and magic were a necessity as long as the sisters retained their Charmed identities. They also needed the magic to protect Wyatt, Chris, and any other future offspring.

[pubesy]

if all the charmed ones had their powers stripped, they would be no storlyline. the girls would have seen it as a reward, not a punishment. they could have had their so called "normal" life. the probably would not want to have earned it back.

but i am sure they would have had something else to whinge about, maybe the fact they had no powers to make life easier.

Kern used the "i want a normal life" storyline way too much, it was as if it was for lack of anything decent.

it really annoyed me.

[Esmeralda]

pubesy said:

if all the charmed ones had their powers stripped, they would be no storlyline. the girls would have seen it as a reward, not a punishment. they could have had their so called "normal" life. the probably would not want to have earned it back.

but i am sure they would have had something else to whinge about, maybe the fact they had no powers to make life easier.

Kern used the "i want a normal life" storyline way too much, it was as if it was for lack of anything decent.

it really annoyed me.

I couldn't have said it better myself! And for that you have been blessed!

[pubesy]

thank you esmerelda.

i guess i am not the only one who thinks the "normal life" storyline was such a tired worn out story.

you have all the power in the world, you save the world everyday, you have men falling at your feet.....and what you want a normal life?

i'll trade any day! haha

[Esmeralda]

pubesy said:

thank you esmerelda.

i guess i am not the only one who thinks the "normal life" storyline was such a tired worn out story.

you have all the power in the world, you save the world everyday, you have men falling at your feet.....and what you want a normal life?

i'll trade any day! haha

The thing is, you know within a week, Piper would be bored with her normal life and be upset each time she needed her magic to make Wyatt a costume or Paige a wedding dress or turn reporters into rats or whatever else, she'd be whining about not having her powers. That woman was very simply never happy with what she has. That's why I think that Forever Charmed *has* to be an illusion--no way she'd be happy with her errand boy for that long!

[colehellsangel]

pubesy said:

thank you esmerelda.

i guess i am not the only one who thinks the "normal life" storyline was such a tired worn out story.

you have all the power in the world, you save the world everyday, you have men falling at your feet.....and what you want a normal life?

i'll trade any day! haha

No you are not if anything annoyed me about Piper it was her constant "I want a normal life" whining. Its like denying half of who she is and then she goes and confused everyone in Lost and Bound when she insists on not binding their future child's powers because it would be taking away a part of who they are.

Make up your d**n mind girl. I'd say just be proud of who you are and accept it!

[ljones]

It was implied that The Tribunal has greater authority than the Halliwells, so they have no choice in the matter.

Why would they have authority over the Halliwells? Not one of them is a deity of any kind.

[pubesy]

the tribunal was made up of elders and upper level demons. the elders and demons were responsible for influencing choices. in the show they were seen as deities