Was It Phoebes Fault That Cole Was The Source?

[jate88]

Oct 24, 2008 18:58:00 GMT -5 charmedonep3527 said:

I agree. Love is a difficult thing and sometimes people tend to think that marriage can solve the problems. I don't think that's true. Even through marriage, it's important to never give up no matter what.

Yup marriage isn't some magical cure for all your anixieties. It's simply the front door for a new era in your life. It will have plenty of good and bad times but it's something you have to be married to go through.

[Piper3]

Yeah I agree. This is off subject but marriage made me think of it. Do you think Paige and Henry were ready for marriage?

[Esmeralda]

Definitely off-topic but as long as you're the one who started this thread, if you think your question has been answered, why not?

Although both Henry and Paige may have been ready for marriage, I'm not sure if they were ready to be married to each other...I've always hated when any couple just rushes into marriage that quickly without knowing each other for at least a year.

Especially in this case. Henry should've had a chance to find out what it's like to be a mortal married to a witch, especially a Charmed One, before he made his final commitment.

Can't help wondering if something similar happened to Victor...

[CharmedFaith]

I think the same thing did happen to Victor. Just from what we heard from him and Grams, he wasnt prepaired for being married to a witch and what that would mean further down the road via kids.

[ljones]

Nov 27, 2008 22:01:16 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

I think the same thing did happen to Victor. Just from what we heard from him and Grams, he wasnt prepaired for being married to a witch and what that would mean further down the road via kids.

The problem with Patty and Victor was that he never knew that Patty was a witch . . . until after they got married.

[Esmeralda]

Do we actually know that Victor *didn't* know? I'm not sure if we were ever actually told that. I always thought he *did* know and thought he *could* take it, until he found out what could happen, like what happened to Little Prue and the Ice Cream Truck...

[ljones]

Nov 28, 2008 23:02:13 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Do we actually know that Victor *didn't* know? I'm not sure if we were ever actually told that. I always thought he *did* know and thought he *could* take it, until he found out what could happen, like what happened to Little Prue and the Ice Cream Truck...

He DID NOT know. Patty had failed to tell him the truth about herself . . . until after the marriage ceremony.

[Piper3]

Are you sure about that? It never said that in the show that I can remember.

[Esmeralda]

Nov 30, 2008 15:28:03 GMT -5 Piper3 said:

Are you sure about that? It never said that in the show that I can remember.

Ditto. Can you post the quote where it is said that that's what happened, please? Thanks, ljones! Because I truly think that Victor knew that Patty was a witch when he married her.

[Piper3]

Yeah that would be great:]

[CharmedFaith]

Nov 30, 2008 1:26:27 GMT -5 ljones said:

Nov 28, 2008 23:02:13 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Do we actually know that Victor *didn't* know? I'm not sure if we were ever actually told that. I always thought he *did* know and thought he *could* take it, until he found out what could happen, like what happened to Little Prue and the Ice Cream Truck...

He DID NOT know. Patty had failed to tell him the truth about herself . . . until after the marriage ceremony.

If there is no valid evidence within the show then you cant flat out state he did not know.

It did look like Patty and Grams did take some precaussions to keeping Victor safe from magic.

And it looked like he knew plenty about witches. I think he knew before they were married.

Prue: I am not mistaken. It's a stone that the Egyptians believed would protect them against spells, curses, evil spirits. This wouldn't be a wedding band by any chance would it?

Victor: You tell me.

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Phoebe: I just read from the book and 'wham!' I am Tabitha. The only thing is, is I got stuck with the power to see the future. How uncool is that?

Victor: Well, from what your mother always said, it was actually considered one of the more desirable powers.

Phoebe: Unless you see things you don't desire.

Prue: So how long have you known? About us, our powers, how long?

Victor: I knew there was a possibility. That's why I came back, to find out. It must of happened when your grandmother died, right?

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Victor: From yourselves. That's why I want that damn book. It's where the power of three started and it's where it must end.

Phoebe: It's part of us, it's part of who we are.

Victor: That's what your mother believed too. Before they killed her.

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Victor: You have no idea what evil is out there.

Prue: Oh, I think we've got a pretty good idea.

Victor: Listen to me, Prue. That book is a magnet for evil. As long as you have it, as long as you use it, you're in danger. All of you.

Prue: You're unbelievable. After all these years of being an absentee dad then you waltz back into our lives and tell us how to live.

Victor: I never wanted you to have those powers in the first place. I battled with your grandmother after your mum died. She wanted you to find out you were witches when you grew up. I didn't. I fought for you, hard. Your grandmother was too strong.


-Thank You For Not Morphing

[ljones]

And it looked like he knew plenty about witches. I think he knew before they were married.

Victor made it clear that Patty never told him that she was a witch before their wedding. And no one ever contradicted him.

Does it bother you that Patty may have lied to Victor before their marriage?

[Piper3]

I think he made it clear that he did know about it. ljones can you please give us a quote saying that Victor didn't know?

[ljones]

Dec 1, 2008 19:38:11 GMT -5 Piper3 said:

I think he made it clear that he did know about it. ljones can you please give us a quote saying that Victor didn't know?

From "The Good, the Bad and the Cursed":


Victor: I don't know what you're talking about. Tell me a little bit more about this Leo fellow anyway. How did he and Piper meet?

Phoebe: Oh, it was a couple of years ago at the house. He was our handyman.

Victor: Piper's marrying a handyman?

Phoebe: Well, no, he isn't really a handyman. Wait, you do know...

Victor: All I know is he's a nice enough guy who seems to know the big bad secret. Trust me, it's a lot better for a mortal to know he's marrying a witch before the wedding instead of after. Wish I had.


Also . . .

Victor: Yeah. I need to talk to you about something man to man.

Leo: Man to man?

Victor: Well, from one mortal to another. Leo, it's not easy being married to a witch.

Leo: No.

Victor: That's why my marriage to Piper's mother didn't work out. It wasn't because I didn't love her, it was because I wasn't prepared for what was to come.

Leo: Well, I think I'm prepared, sir... I mean, Victor.

[CharmedFaith]

Dec 1, 2008 20:26:50 GMT -5 ljones said:

Dec 1, 2008 19:38:11 GMT -5 Piper3 said:

I think he made it clear that he did know about it. ljones can you please give us a quote saying that Victor didn't know?

From "The Good, the Bad and the Cursed":


Victor: I don't know what you're talking about. Tell me a little bit more about this Leo fellow anyway. How did he and Piper meet?

Phoebe: Oh, it was a couple of years ago at the house. He was our handyman.

Victor: Piper's marrying a handyman?

Phoebe: Well, no, he isn't really a handyman. Wait, you do know...

Victor: All I know is he's a nice enough guy who seems to know the big bad secret. Trust me, it's a lot better for a mortal to know he's marrying a witch before the wedding instead of after. Wish I had.


Also . . .

Victor: Yeah. I need to talk to you about something man to man.

Leo: Man to man?

Victor: Well, from one mortal to another. Leo, it's not easy being married to a witch.

Leo: No.

Victor: That's why my marriage to Piper's mother didn't work out. It wasn't because I didn't love her, it was because I wasn't prepared for what was to come.

Leo: Well, I think I'm prepared, sir... I mean, Victor.

See that was all we were asking for. Now we can all agree on something.

[Piper3]

ohhh okay thanks ljones.

[Esmeralda]

Dec 1, 2008 20:33:35 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

Dec 1, 2008 20:26:50 GMT -5 ljones said:

From "The Good, the Bad and the Cursed":


Victor: I don't know what you're talking about. Tell me a little bit more about this Leo fellow anyway. How did he and Piper meet?

Phoebe: Oh, it was a couple of years ago at the house. He was our handyman.

Victor: Piper's marrying a handyman?

Phoebe: Well, no, he isn't really a handyman. Wait, you do know...

Victor: All I know is he's a nice enough guy who seems to know the big bad secret. Trust me, it's a lot better for a mortal to know he's marrying a witch before the wedding instead of after. Wish I had.


Also . . .

Victor: Yeah. I need to talk to you about something man to man.

Leo: Man to man?

Victor: Well, from one mortal to another. Leo, it's not easy being married to a witch.

Leo: No.

Victor: That's why my marriage to Piper's mother didn't work out. It wasn't because I didn't love her, it was because I wasn't prepared for what was to come.

Leo: Well, I think I'm prepared, sir... I mean, Victor.

See that was all we were asking for. Now we can all agree on something.

Nope, I still DON'T agree. That just means that Victor did NOT know what being married to a witch would be like. It does NOT mean he didn't know that she was a witch.

[Piper3]

Es has a point there. Im not sure.

[ljones]

"Trust me, it's a lot better for a mortal to know he's marrying a witch before the wedding instead of after. Wish I had." - Victor

He didn't know about Patty being a witch before the wedding.

[Esmeralda]

Good one, ljones! I admit I just read the first bolded sentence in the other thread, not the second one. I stand corrected!

I should've guessed that Kern would make Patty as irresponsible as he made her daughters! After all, as has been pointed out to me, he made Patty f*ck Sam before Victor was even gone! Watching P3 H2O, I always assumed that happened AFTER he was gone; that Patty turned to Sam after Grams shooed Victor away. That would've been beautiful. But Paige and Phoebe's birthdates say otherwise. Naturally, Kern had to make it soap-opera-ish and disgusting. Now one of my favorite episodes no longer is. *insert sarcasm here* Thanks, Kern!