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Hey I'm a Charmed Veteran have been for a long time. Hope to share some insight and opinions.
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Post by codebox on May 28, 2019 1:20:59 GMT -5
I would want them to go after what they want too, but the way they did that was so excessive. I felt like in season eight the only reason Phoebe was around was to talk about kids and find her husband. I would have gladly followed that story if Phoebe did other things that seemed just as important to her, but she didn't. And with Piper, I don't want to hear her whining about everything all the time. Her sarcastic comments in season three were funny; in season eight, they just seemed mean. If they wanted the sisters to explore different avenues of life, they should have gotten Phoebe thinking about kids and Piper thinking about a normal life around the halfway point of season eight. That way, we could see them progressing out of their magical lives and into the next stages for them, but we wouldn't have to hear about it for seasons and seasons before the show ended. You raise an interesting point. That could've made for a interesting Season 8 storyline honestly. Like how nice would it have been to have the sisters ONLY complain about normal lives in Season 8 (maybe some in 7 as well), and the magical disguises plot could've been a way for the sisters to explore different avenues of their lives that didn't relate to demon hunting. I would've found Phoebe's romance plots far more interesting had this been a plot about heroes needing to take a break or wanting to have a life of exploring, rather than have a life support chain of the girls spending 4-5 seasons of endless complaining with Season 8 only servicing to be more wish fullfillment for Whinper and PhoeME. |
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Post by Katie Warren on May 28, 2019 3:22:17 GMT -5
I would want them to go after what they want too, but the way they did that was so excessive. I felt like in season eight the only reason Phoebe was around was to talk about kids and find her husband. I would have gladly followed that story if Phoebe did other things that seemed just as important to her, but she didn't. And with Piper, I don't want to hear her whining about everything all the time. Her sarcastic comments in season three were funny; in season eight, they just seemed mean. If they wanted the sisters to explore different avenues of life, they should have gotten Phoebe thinking about kids and Piper thinking about a normal life around the halfway point of season eight. That way, we could see them progressing out of their magical lives and into the next stages for them, but we wouldn't have to hear about it for seasons and seasons before the show ended. You raise an interesting point. That could've made for a interesting Season 8 storyline honestly. Like how nice would it have been to have the sisters ONLY complain about normal lives in Season 8 (maybe some in 7 as well), and the magical disguises plot could've been a way for the sisters to explore different avenues of their lives that didn't relate to demon hunting. I would've found Phoebe's romance plots far more interesting had this been a plot about heroes needing to take a break or wanting to have a life of exploring, rather than have a life support chain of the girls spending 4-5 seasons of endless complaining with Season 8 only servicing to be more wish fullfillment for Whinper and PhoeME. When that becomes the foundation of a character, much like a romantic arc or plot, where we get little to nothing of them as a character in their own right than just who they are involved with or their child or wanting a husband, we need a balance. I think they handled this much better in S1 and S2, than the later seasons where their love loves, children and also the magical community and the demons they face become more important. The sisterly relationship is the most important. I didn't think Prue and Andy's arc in S1 took attention off Prue's other personal stories or juggling her job and the next innocent needing to be saved. In our re-watch of S1 on the board so far, I've found Prue and Andy's storylines don't take away from Prue's relationship with her sisters, her social life plots and the innocents. This might be different when compared to S3-S8. Phoebe's romance plots were key to her character, and I wished S5 focused more on her repairing the damage she did and went through in S4, so letting her remain single would have been better than putting her with Jason. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 28, 2019 3:40:04 GMT -5
Exactly Charmed was about Prue, Piper, and Phoebe being sisters who happened to be witches which the earlier seasons depicted amongst their jobs, friends (Andy and Darryl), family, and relationships which balanced out with one another that should've continued once Paige was introduced instead of Wyatt and Chris, Phoebe's baby quest, and constant whining about normal life wanting being the then focus of attention.
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Post by Katie Warren on May 28, 2019 4:46:36 GMT -5
Exactly Charmed was about Prue, Piper, and Phoebe being sisters who happened to be witches which the earlier seasons depicted amongst their jobs, friends (Andy and Darryl), family, and relationships which balanced out with one another that should've continued once Paige was introduced instead of Wyatt and Chris, Phoebe's baby quest, and constant whining about normal life wanting being the then focus of attention. Exactly. I just wished this continued with the second set. The show was better off ending after Season Four. |
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Post by Elle Em on May 28, 2019 7:18:07 GMT -5
The sisters and their relationship to each other was the most important part of the show. If it seemed unrealistic to continue that after a certain point when at least one of them would be wanting to get married, have kids, move out, etc., then they should have ended the show when the sister aspects started to disappear. The second half should have been a spin-off.
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Post by summerreading on May 28, 2019 7:25:12 GMT -5
The sisters and their relationship to each other was the most important part of the show. If it seemed unrealistic to continue that after a certain point when at least one of them would be wanting to get married, have kids, move out, etc., then they should have ended the show when the sister aspects started to disappear. The second half should have been a spin-off. Totally agree. As some pointed out I think in another thread, Piper's arc played out, and had no room to evolve after S5, her story basically is over, she is married to Leo and had her first child, what else she got to achieve story-wise, which is why her story would feel more satisfying if she had her baby at the end of the series or got pregnant. I agree, the second half should have just been a spin-off with not using the Charmed name. More like Charmed: Next Generation or Charmed: Rebirth or something. Then that can have all the children. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 28, 2019 7:48:26 GMT -5
The sisters and their relationship to each other was the most important part of the show. If it seemed unrealistic to continue that after a certain point when at least one of them would be wanting to get married, have kids, move out, etc., then they should have ended the show when the sister aspects started to disappear. The second half should have been a spin-off. Amen. Had they started "Charmed: The Next Generation" after Classic Charmed (S1-3) ended rather than doing what I count as the alternate-universe spin-off (S4-8), I sincerely believe that "Supernatural" would ever have aired - we'd still be watching "Charmed: The Next Generation" with no need for a rip-off reboot. Best of all, if Kern wasn't part of the spin-off (he probably would've, but if he wasn't...), we probably would've had no half-Charmed children and had a much better series that was still about cousins who happened to be witches (not half-whatever) and not demon-hunters who happen to be related. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 28, 2019 17:33:27 GMT -5
The sisters and their relationship to each other was the most important part of the show. If it seemed unrealistic to continue that after a certain point when at least one of them would be wanting to get married, have kids, move out, etc., then they should have ended the show when the sister aspects started to disappear. The second half should have been a spin-off. Totally agree. As some pointed out I think in another thread, Piper's arc played out, and had no room to evolve after S5, her story basically is over, she is married to Leo and had her first child, what else she got to achieve story-wise, which is why her story would feel more satisfying if she had her baby at the end of the series or got pregnant. I agree, the second half should have just been a spin-off with not using the Charmed name. More like Charmed: Next Generation or Charmed: Rebirth or something. Then that can have all the children. The sisters and their relationship to each other was the most important part of the show. If it seemed unrealistic to continue that after a certain point when at least one of them would be wanting to get married, have kids, move out, etc., then they should have ended the show when the sister aspects started to disappear. The second half should have been a spin-off. Amen. Had they started "Charmed: The Next Generation" after Classic Charmed (S1-3) ended rather than doing what I count as the alternate-universe spin-off (S4-8), I sincerely believe that "Supernatural" would ever have aired - we'd still be watching "Charmed: The Next Generation" with no need for a rip-off reboot. Best of all, if Kern wasn't part of the spin-off (he probably would've, but if he wasn't...), we probably would've had no half-Charmed children and had a much better series that was still about cousins who happened to be witches (not half-whatever) and not demon-hunters who happen to be related. Very true guys. Should have ended and been the start of a spinoff. Es, I believe the same we'd be watching a spinoff right now not a reboot. Kern giving us Forever Charmed left little room for a spinoff with their full futures told. That's true Summer. Piper was a complete character with nothing left to gain. They already burned through the big stuff for her and Leo. Why I wished she got married later and not as early as S3. And hated how marriage was handled and the proposal in S3 after just starting to date again after Piper picked Leo over Dan. I blame Morality Bites, Leo bringing up them being married in the future as a reason to do it now. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 28, 2019 22:44:26 GMT -5
I was going through the thread and found this from a while back, but it's still the way I feel now: Granted, I didn't care at how Phoebe's character developed over the years. I think that Kern and his writers could have done a better job. But I certainly DID NOT want to see Phoebe remain as the same woman that she was during the show's early season. That strikes me as nothing but a lack of character development or growth or decline. It sounds like a character being stuck in stagnation. You're right. Phoebe could've/should've grown up compared to how she was at the beginning of the series. But that's part of our point--just like Piper, she didn't. She never learned from her mistakes. With a few minor exceptions here and there, it was still all about her. I wouldn't call that growing up. Yes, after what she went through with Cole, she couldn't be the same carefree Phoebs who we knew and loved in the first couple of seasons. That's how she could've grown up. But the episodes with Drake, even the slight glimpses of her with Billie or little Wyatt, show that given the correct situation, she could still be that warm, caring person, who wanted to help others, not just herself, and was interested in something more than just finding the sperm donor for her daughter, which is what she was mainly interested in during S7 & S8. Getting to see my Phoebs, but a grownup Phoebs, is why "Show Ghouls" is one of my all-time favorite episodes, the last episode to be put in that category. |
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Post by summerreading on May 29, 2019 4:59:42 GMT -5
I was going through the thread and found this from a while back, but it's still the way I feel now: You're right. Phoebe could've/should've grown up compared to how she was at the beginning of the series. But that's part of our point--just like Piper, she didn't. She never learned from her mistakes. With a few minor exceptions here and there, it was still all about her. I wouldn't call that growing up. Yes, after what she went through with Cole, she couldn't be the same carefree Phoebs who we knew and loved in the first couple of seasons. That's how she could've grown up. But the episodes with Drake, even the slight glimpses of her with Billie or little Wyatt, show that given the correct situation, she could still be that warm, caring person, who wanted to help others, not just herself, and was interested in something more than just finding the sperm donor for her daughter, which is what she was mainly interested in during S7 & S8. Getting to see my Phoebs, but a grownup Phoebs, is why "Show Ghouls" is one of my all-time favorite episodes, the last episode to be put in that category. It's nice we got some glimpses of the Phoebe we loved here and there. Too bad it wasn't so often. But nice to see what she could be like grown up our Phoebs. I hope the re-watch lasts that long so I can re-watch that. Otherwise I'd love to re-watch Show Ghouls. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 28, 2021 9:13:28 GMT -5
I still like Piper as a mother and introducing her dynamic with her kids instead of her sisters, all the time. It can't always be about them as sisters. Besides, I enjoy watching Piper, as a mother, who's still protecting the world from evil.
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