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Post by Fourever Charmed on Dec 11, 2009 19:46:03 GMT -5
To me there is personal gain and then there is personal gain. If you get what I mean. Phoebe using her premintion of the lottery numbers to try and win a piece of the prize is big personal gain. Something that would totally benefit her in her own personal way had she won. So the numbers dissapeared. Majority of the stuff said above, is just regular old personal gain, they are human beings with powers and of course they will use them at times for their own advantages but it was not something that would have a huge impact in their lives. So it was never made that big of a deal. But back in Season1 when Phoebe would use her powers to see which guy she would be having sex with isnt as bad as Phoebe using her premintions in S6 or 7 to find out who her baby daddy would be. Having general sex isnt that big of a deal and it wouldnt have a major impact on her life if she had or hadnt had sex with that guy. But in Season6 looking for the guy that will help her bare a child...thats life changing in a major way. Of course they should have made the term personal gain a lot more clearer than they did but no surprise they didnt. That's what I tend to believe too. I've always thought of it as "harm ye none, do what ye will" type personal gain (i.e. Prue using her powers to clean the house or Piper freezing people to stop them from touching her stomach) which doesn't actually harm anyone and then personal gain that does harm people, intentionally (i.e. punishing the guilty) or unintentionally (i.e. giving yourself an advantage that others don't have). But a lot of the "funny without consequences" personal gain that Esmeralda is talking about falls into the "harm ye none, do what ye will" personal gain, because, well, it was usually funny and not exactly harmful (i.e. Piper freezing people to prevent them from touching her stomach), even if they really should not have done it. My point was that that kind of personal gain did not just exist in the later seasons, it existed all the way through the series. And then even in the first three seasons, there was still instances of magic usage that was "funny" that should - but did not - have had consequences attached, because it was either harmful and/or meant as punishment to other people (i.e. Prue using her powers to trip Andy with the cake cart because she was angry at him and Prue using her powers to punish Missy because she didn't like her treatment of Piper), which was not what their powers were meant for. |
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Post by dylan345 on Dec 12, 2009 11:18:57 GMT -5
I agree with that. In the first season, they did get away with a lot, like Prue tripping Andy with the cake cart. I can understand them doing that sort of thing in the first season because they didn't know that much about personal gain, but later on I feel they should have learned.
And sometimes things happened that, like others have said, were wrong technically but didn't hurt anyone. I didn't think it was very funny when Piper froze crying Matthew in season two, but seeing as how we all get a little hormonal and tired sometimes, I get it. And honestly, how many of us, if we had their powers, wouldn't use them a little on the side once in a while? I remember in one episode I can't place right now that Piper froze a box of cereal falling off the table. That sort of thing is harmless to me, and something I would do all the time if I had her ability.
What is unacceptable to me is something like creating the "perfect man" for Piper in season six. While it may be okay to use your powers to prevent something from spilling on the floor, their powers weren't toys, and the perfect man is a major example of how they treated them as such.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 13, 2009 11:43:49 GMT -5
*nods* That also I found unacceptable. The other main one was turning the reporter into a turkey. Funny, yes; ethical and should've cased a backlash, definitely. But of course the biggest one was taking in The Hollow--they'd seen what it did to Cole; how could they possibly want to take it on themselves? And then using it to murder fellow witches--*shudder*
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Post by dylan345 on Dec 13, 2009 12:34:31 GMT -5
Another reason why, unless they had someone to keep them in line, it was probably better for them to not have their powers for such a long time. We had the earliest time when they were still getting used to them and were a bit scared of them at times, then the times when they were smart and used them correctly, and then the latest times when they seemed to think they had earned the right to abuse them.
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Post by ghostrider on Dec 13, 2009 13:30:46 GMT -5
Posted by Esmeralda Wyatt on Today at 11:43am Gee ES, I wish your remark had been posted closer to Thanksgiving...Oh well, Christmas isn't a too far off. One of the few episodes that truly had me laughing and almost pants wetting, was the Phoebe-Turkey thing. Personally I loved it. And if cooler heads than mine had not interceded...Turkey, IT'S WHATS FOR DINNER.  Yeah sure, maybe I would have felt bad later, but it would have been much later considering all of the tryptophan I would have just consumed. ;D Now maybe it is just my interpretation, and since I am not a shrink with the proper credentials to call a nut case crazy...I could be all wet....but, at the time this was going down Ms. Phoebest looked like she was having a melt-down to me. With all of the drugs that are on the market for our fellow humans who are flipping-out, cracking-up and melting-down, going crackers is looking like the norm. So here is the deal. With many of us average people doing the coo-coo boogie, what must it be like to be a Charmed One? Examining all of the day to day trials and tribulations the girls had to deal with on both the human and magical plain, I am sometimes surprised that they didn't end up in straight-jackets or take a group leap off the Golden Gate Bridge. We have all criticized the girls about one thing or another; let us not forget the dreaded fruit problem; but if you suddenly found yourself a Charmed One, with all the responsibility of your life, your family, your children, your mate, your job, your home, tons of innocents to save and a gaggle of evil critters who might be demons, animals and run of the mill people....and your only advisor's are a white-light handyman, a grown son you haven't given birth to yet, various dead relatives and of course the sanctimonious elders....when it came to doing everything right, perfect, honest....blah blah blah....on a scale of 1 to 10 what number would you give yourself. Speaking only for myself, I suspect that my number would have a decimal point in it in order for there to be a number in it at all. Yes I know that I am way off topic...but then again, I have a really low number so I guess it is understandable. |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 28, 2009 10:49:56 GMT -5
I totally agree with you: the beauiful of Charmed is that the protagonists are ordinary women, not beings with super powers, not obsessed demon hunters,not Templars of magic. Women, with the power to protect the innocent and the courage to do it, even paying hard it
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Post by ljones on Dec 31, 2009 5:18:35 GMT -5
I would have admired the Halliwells more if they had made the choice to "protect the innocent" out of choice or the goodness of their hearts; instead of doing so because they had magical abilities and felt they had no choice but to become demon hunters. But they didn't. And my admiration for them is muted to the point of none existence.
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Post by whitebutterfly on Dec 31, 2009 15:18:10 GMT -5
I don't know, as interesting as the whole Cole and Prue romance is I still loved Phoebe and Cole. their love was epic almost as epic as Piper and Leo's love. Phoebe and Cole's relationship would most deffinately outlast Prue and Cole's because Prue never really had time for romance and wasn't really good with emotions anyway.. Phoebe and Cole's relationship was so full of emotion anf passion, who could mess with that?? And Ultimately Cole and Phoebe's love will last forever. Cole Loved Phoebe even after she killed him..
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2009 20:23:05 GMT -5
It would've been epic if they were truly in love, and not simply obsessed with each other. Piper and Leo's would've been if Piper hadn't emasculated Leo and turned him into her own little errand boy. Nothing epic about either. For as short as it was, I enjoyed Paige and Henry much more than either of those. But then again, if Paige had met Henry in S4, Kern probably would've ruined that one, too. When he's executive producing, Charmed Ones in love is not a good thing.
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Post by jazzbrooker on Jan 2, 2010 8:02:00 GMT -5
there is know way that cole and prue would have been good together i mean think about it he wanted phobe and he loved phobe what do u think that would have done to phobe if they had gotten 2gether it would have hurt her so much
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Post by whitebutterfly on Jan 2, 2010 18:12:11 GMT -5
I aggree with Jazzbrooker.. Phoebe and Cole are and would be way better than Cole and Prue..
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 2, 2010 18:58:16 GMT -5
But as Jazzbroker said, we'll never know, because we never got to see Prue and Cole as a couple. I still think it would've been much more interesting, with Prue with her very strong ideas about what's good and what's evil, and Cole under orders to seduce *her*, so their child would be the most powerful, much more powerful than Phoebe's with her passive powers.
But that's the fun of this board--everyone is entitled and welcomed to their own opinion, since that's what this is--opinion.
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Post by ljones on Jan 3, 2010 12:28:21 GMT -5
I don't think so.
However, I don't think that Prue and Cole would have made a better pair than Phoebe and Cole.
Phoebe had the right extroverted personality that complimented Cole's more introverted one. Unfortunately, I think she was too immature to handle a relationship with someone like Cole. She had a tendency to cling to illusions about romantic love right to the end of the series.
I think that Prue was mature and sophisticated enough to handle a relationship with someone like Cole. Unfortunately, I think her personality was in some ways, too similar to his.
Phoebe's so-called "passive" powers - at least her premonitions - were just as powerful as Prue's. Unfortunately, the show's writers and the viewers have never realized this.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 21, 2010 13:03:18 GMT -5
Phoebe's so-called "passive" powers - at least her premonitions - were just as powerful as Prue's. Unfortunately, the show's writers and the viewers have never realized this. It may surprise you to hear me say this, but I agree--I thought that Phoebe's powers were the most powerful if used properly and not by someone as immature as Phoebe, which is why Cole going after her made sense--as he said--the most vulnerable. BUT...that's not the way the demons would look at it who would see active powers as the most powerful. Besides, the Seer already had premontions--if the Source's child got that power, he wouldn't need her and she intended to be the power behind the throne. Had she talked the Source into having Cole rape one of the sisters in order to get the heir, raping Prue would've made the most sense. Of course, in my version, the rape would've ending up being making love, the way it was with Phoebe and Cole, but I do think that that's who they would've gone after. |
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Post by Quadquetra on Jan 21, 2010 19:19:19 GMT -5
I believe that Prue and Cole could have been good but I also liked Phoebe and Cole, their mix of her innocence and his darkness was appealing to me. But also Prue's determination and will with his own would have been cool.
But had it been Prue I think when she found out he was a demon who had seduced her and been after her and her sisters the whole time, no doubt it would hurt but Prue would have vanquished him, no fake vanquish. Because she puts duty first and her sisters safety as well as the anger she'd have felt. It kinda would have been like Grams and The Necromancer, the way she fell in love but banished him in order to protect her family although the difference is Cole was half human and could go either way, but as I said I believe Prue would have vanquished him as soon as she found out.
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Post by ljones on Jan 21, 2010 20:26:22 GMT -5
You forget something. This is the same Prue who was willing to help the likes of Brendan Rowe and Bane Jessup, despite her sisters' opposition. She also failed to follow Phoebe's example and not jump to conclusions that Cole was the demon they needed to vanquish in "Look Who's Barking".
Prue may have shared her sisters' habit of jumping to conclusions, but I think she had the brains to sniff out that there was something wrong with Cole in late S4 . . . and realize that he needed to be SAVED from the Source's possession, and not vanquished.
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Post by micki98 on Jan 3, 2011 18:33:32 GMT -5
Phoebe and Cole were okay, but I think that Prue and Cole would have been much better.
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2011 7:10:29 GMT -5
Phoebe and Cole were perfect: Cole was so old and full of experience, the innocence the ardour the freshness of Phoebe were something new in his life
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Post by ljones on Jan 4, 2011 18:42:38 GMT -5
Phoebe and Cole were perfect: Cole was so old and full of experience, the innocence the ardour the freshness of Phoebe were something new in his life For me, Phoebe needed to a more mature and self-assured personality in order to deal with someone like Cole. And Phoebe was no innocent. Not by a long shot. |
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Post by micki98 on Jan 5, 2011 16:10:31 GMT -5
Phoebe and Cole were perfect: Cole was so old and full of experience, the innocence the ardour the freshness of Phoebe were something new in his life For me, Phoebe needed to a more mature and self-assured personality in order to deal with someone like Cole. And Phoebe was no innocent. Not by a long shot. I agree with you, ljones. |
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Yeah sure, maybe I would have felt bad later, but it would have been much later considering all of the tryptophan I would have just consumed. ;D
