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Post by lordumbrex on Sept 6, 2023 0:27:51 GMT -5
Agree with this definately. Yes, I agree with these statements as well! Psychokinesis always sounded like a unique ability, and it's surely one that was solely created for the show, since it's not a power widely known outside the universe; this would've been a great opportunity for Prue to have a moment to reflect on her time with Max Franklin who also had the gift, and possibly open the door for her to interact with him again and learn a tip or two. I've always enjoyed the idea that Prue could use her telekinesis to fly, or even levitate-- I've seen so many iterations of the power in the media, and majority of them introduce flying as a feat of the ability.
I 100% advocate for keeping Piper's powers time-based! I wonder who's idea it was to introduce combustion, because there's just too many references to time that would lead anyone to believe that's what her power was connected with. I love the idea of her rewinding time by a few seconds, as so many things can happen in a matter of seconds  .
Pre/Retomonitions are so powerful in a variety of ways, and clearly Charmed thought so too, hence why Phoebe had the most in that season alone! I, too, would want to keep her visions apart of her, and a power that she'd truly nature, and save the day again. Astral Projection wouldn't have been bad for Phoebe, and in fact it'd have been interesting; and I can imagine how many times Phoebe would be able to Astral Project and kick some a**! I was just talking to Prue's Feather about Phoebe's astral premonitions, and I think that her power should've been showcased and utilized more after it was introduced, as she can search for clues or talk to someone who isn't around anymore, or who she may not know but will know, or something. It's an incredibly unique power.
I've always wondered what Paige could do if her abilities weren't infused with whitelighter powers, and my mind always circles to telekinesis, but I always wanted to find something different. I really love what you decided to go with for her powers. I'm not sure what you envisioned visually, but I think of Mabel's red apporition of the knife in S5's "The Power of Three Blondes". I think I'd probably keep it at just that, and maybe I'd add projection as a secondary ability.
I love what I was able to come up with, but honestly, any of you all's ideas would've been satisfactory to see!
Been a while since I've been on this, but figured I'd come out of retirement to respond. Yeah, the red glimmer-like affect of apportation, like the one used when Belthazor had the power is how I originally envisioned it. Though, perhaps, it could be blue instead if you absolutely need to tie it into her Whitelighter side, but that wasn't the original intention. The idea was to have something similar to Prue's, while keeping them different, and I feel I did that well enough. Cool ideas of your own, otherwise. That's the beauty of this thread, you can come up with your own and have them make sense. |
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Post by lordumbrex on Sept 6, 2023 0:34:02 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading this! These ideas were brilliant, and I admire how unique they were; my favorite was Piper, and I wonder how great it would've been if her freezing power was truly either time-based or literal ice. Thanks. I don't want to take credit for the "Keeper of Time", as I was inspired by the poster I quoted. The show really did confuse Piper's power. The pilot made it timed base but varying episodes made "freeze" base via S3E13 "Bride & Gloom". Yeah, I kept it to the definitions that Phoebe said in the first episode, rather than the changes they made later on. The only real liberty I took was Phoebe's power being to "see the future", rather than generally pre/post-cognition, since they played with it on the show almost immediately, as well. Cool ideas of your own. |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Sept 6, 2023 10:03:38 GMT -5
I would have preferred their main powers to become more powerful. For example, I loved the astral premonition, just like the explosive telekinesis of the future. I wish the sisters could time travel with the power of three. Of course, if one of them dies, there is no going back. Piper freeze the time, Phoebe focus and Prue move in direction of the time focused.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 6, 2023 19:22:02 GMT -5
I agree that Piper’s power should have remained time-based. Slowing down and speeding up molecules must have sounded so cool and smart to the writers, but… Well, scientific accuracy was never this show’s strong suit. A molecule is two or more atoms connected by chemical bonds, which form the smallest unit of a substance that retains the composition and properties of that substance. Molecules form the basis of chemistry. Molecules are noted with the element symbol and a subscript with the number of atoms. Meaning that they, essentially, had Piper making nuclear explosions every time she blew something up. Even if there were no radiation concerns (I’m sure they could handwave that away with the “don’t worry, it’s magic” excuse), that made her definitely overpowered.
I’ve always thought that her being able to rewind time, just by a few seconds, would have made for a more natural growth of her power, and kept the show from becoming over reliant on finding new and different ways to bring someone back from the dead. However, if - in this alternate universe - they still wanted to write someone (such as Prue) off the show, that window of only a few seconds to undo something would mean that, if Piper were unconscious and/or near death herself (as the main timeline version of her was), there would still be nothing she could do, and she would thus feel even more guilty. Whether that last part would be a plus or a minus depends on your own individual mindset.
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Post by lunchking on Sept 6, 2023 21:06:07 GMT -5
I always thought if Piper could freeze time, she'd be able to reverse time by a few seconds or 30 seconds or something. That made more logical sense for her powers developing than whatever the show claimed as a reason for Piper to wave her hands and make demons go boom.
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Post by Andrew on Mar 16, 2024 6:16:10 GMT -5
Was recently reminded of this thread, and, well, at the risk of possibly going (almost) off-topic... If Piper's powers were always meant to "evolve" into blowing things up, does that mean that Patty could do that, too? After all, unlike her children, her magic was never bound, so it would have continued growing in strength and scope until her death. In-universe, might that have been why she was so confident that she could solo the water demon that was immune to being frozen? I know the actual answer is no, as the writers absolutely had not thought that far ahead, but would it be a viable retcon?
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Post by zachary on Mar 16, 2024 14:45:31 GMT -5
Was recently reminded of this thread, and, well, at the risk of possibly going (almost) off-topic... If Piper's powers were always meant to "evolve" into blowing things up, does that mean that Patty could do that, too? After all, unlike her children, her magic was never bound, so it would have continued growing in strength and scope until her death. In-universe, might that have been why she was so confident that she could solo the water demon that was immune to being frozen? I know the actual answer is no, as the writers absolutely had not thought that far ahead, but would it be a viable retcon? I'm gonna say most likely no. I feel like with Patty being born and raised as a witch with powers, her power would've grown to that point by then, and we'd have known about it. Nothing's impossible though!
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Post by pheebs on Mar 16, 2024 14:54:50 GMT -5
Was recently reminded of this thread, and, well, at the risk of possibly going (almost) off-topic... If Piper's powers were always meant to "evolve" into blowing things up, does that mean that Patty could do that, too? After all, unlike her children, her magic was never bound, so it would have continued growing in strength and scope until her death. In-universe, might that have been why she was so confident that she could solo the water demon that was immune to being frozen? I know the actual answer is no, as the writers absolutely had not thought that far ahead, but would it be a viable retcon? I'm gonna say most likely no. I feel like with Patty being born and raised as a witch with powers, her power would've grown to that point by then, and we'd have known about it. Nothing's impossible though!
Same here. I just don't think that happened here. I don't think all witches advance with secondary powers all the time. Like if that were true, I don't see Grams having Astral Projection or another Warren Witch in the family line that came before them who may have had premonitions getting Levitation or Empathy. But it is an interesting question though. |
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Post by zachary on Mar 16, 2024 17:00:38 GMT -5
I'm gonna say most likely no. I feel like with Patty being born and raised as a witch with powers, her power would've grown to that point by then, and we'd have known about it. Nothing's impossible though!
Same here. I just don't think that happened here. I don't think all witches advance with secondary powers all the time. Like if that were true, I don't see Grams having Astral Projection or another Warren Witch in the family line that came before them who may have had premonitions getting Levitation or Empathy. But it is an interesting question though. True, and if they did get secondary powers, depending on how you view continuity and canon, those powers may not be directly related to the primary. There's a charmed novel where Phoebe gets stuck in the past, and their ancestor has Premonitions and Telekinesis! (So I've heard, I haven't actually gotten my hands on a copy.) |
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Post by pheebs on Mar 16, 2024 17:51:11 GMT -5
Same here. I just don't think that happened here. I don't think all witches advance with secondary powers all the time. Like if that were true, I don't see Grams having Astral Projection or another Warren Witch in the family line that came before them who may have had premonitions getting Levitation or Empathy. But it is an interesting question though. True, and if they did get secondary powers, depending on how you view continuity and canon, those powers may not be directly related to the primary. There's a charmed novel where Phoebe gets stuck in the past, and their ancestor has Premonitions and Telekinesis! (So I've heard, I haven't actually gotten my hands on a copy.) "Whispers From the Past" I believe is that novel. It is a really good novel. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 17, 2024 10:40:32 GMT -5
If past Halliwell and Warren ancestors did get secondary powers like in the novel Whispers From The Past with them being one of the other three main Charmed powers and not one unaffiliated with them then the only other examples besides telekinesis and premonitions would be telekinesis and freezing or freezing and premonitions which either way would be good combos and being how witches powers were tied to their emotions that could reflect what they got overall etc.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 17, 2024 22:44:11 GMT -5
If Phoebe gained Astral Projection, I could see her getting the power that Klea had, it could be a form of Astral Projection.
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Post by lunchking on Apr 3, 2024 3:09:06 GMT -5
Their powers could've evolved with their original ones.
Phoebe's premonitions developed in The Eyes Have It. It was done so well where she was almost Astral projected there. Forgot what that was called.
I was disappointed we didn't see the evolution in Morality Bites somewhat develope to that point. Considering S8 ended about 3 years shy of 2009.
Paige's powers didn't really evolve other than gaining more whitelighter abilities and eventually healimg and being a Taxi Driver through orbing. A development and stronger use of her TK powers would've been nice.
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Post by forbuss on Apr 3, 2024 8:30:29 GMT -5
Their powers could've evolved with their original ones. Phoebe's premonitions developed in The Eyes Have It. It was done so well where she was almost Astral projected there. Forgot what that was called. I was disappointed we didn't see the evolution in Morality Bites somewhat develope to that point. Considering S8 ended about 3 years shy of 2009. Paige's powers didn't really evolve other than gaining more whitelighter abilities and eventually healimg and being a Taxi Driver through orbing. A development and stronger use of her TK powers would've been nice. They definitely could have done more with Paige's powers. They could have made milestones stronger for her such as: being able to orb herself different places, orbing other folks, orbing people when she herself isn't orbing, etc. Remember when she orbed herself in half? Also they threw in the glamour power which was supposed to be a whitelighter power but I don't think we saw any other whitelighters do this. In terms of her TK - it would have been cool for it to progress to a non-orbing form of TK. I remember Phoebe said the whitelighter in her made her TK work differently but maybe as she grew stronger as a witch this power could have emerged. |
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Post by lunchking on Apr 3, 2024 20:53:33 GMT -5
Their powers could've evolved with their original ones. Phoebe's premonitions developed in The Eyes Have It. It was done so well where she was almost Astral projected there. Forgot what that was called. I was disappointed we didn't see the evolution in Morality Bites somewhat develope to that point. Considering S8 ended about 3 years shy of 2009. Paige's powers didn't really evolve other than gaining more whitelighter abilities and eventually healimg and being a Taxi Driver through orbing. A development and stronger use of her TK powers would've been nice. They definitely could have done more with Paige's powers. They could have made milestones stronger for her such as: being able to orb herself different places, orbing other folks, orbing people when she herself isn't orbing, etc. Remember when she orbed herself in half? Also they threw in the glamour power which was supposed to be a whitelighter power but I don't think we saw any other whitelighters do this. In terms of her TK - it would have been cool for it to progress to a non-orbing form of TK. I remember Phoebe said the whitelighter in her made her TK work differently but maybe as she grew stronger as a witch this power could have emerged. I know we saw Leo use it in S5 to glamour as Jeric. Yeah It could've been fun if she could've progressed to a non-orbing form of TK. Because all her powers were whitelighter based, and she had zero abilities that were more witch based as in how they were used. By the end of the show she gained pretty much all the whitelighter abilities apart from immortality. While Chris gained TK the normal way like Prue and Grams, when he was also half whitelighter. So why does Paige get stuck with the TK powers she has working differently because of the whitelighter in her, but not Chris. Thinking it over if she's suppose to be half-whitelighter, what even makes her half when all her powers work exactly like a full whitelighter, apart from her TK hybrid power, the rest were mostly whitelighter powers. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Apr 4, 2024 0:11:17 GMT -5
Also they threw in the glamour power which was supposed to be a whitelighter power but I don't think we saw any other whitelighters do this. I know we saw Leo use it in S5 to glamour as Jeric. I was trying to think what other whitelighters (besides Leo & Paige) that "glamoured", but I think they're the only ones who have. I think Paige "glamoured" the most. Times Leo "Glamoured" S3E7 "Power Outage" - Belthazor, for the "earthquake drill" LOL S5E10 "Y Tu Mummy Tambien" - Jeric (like you said, lunchking ) S6E23 "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World, Pt 2" - Barbas Times Paige "Glamoured" S5E13 "House Call" - Jessica, Glenn's fiance/wife. S7E14 "Carpe Demon" - Ms. Donovan S7E15 "Show Ghouls" - Phoebe S7E18 "Little Box of Horrors" - Hope S7E19 "Freaky Phoebe" - Random woman to trick Mitchell into saving her. S8E1 "Still Charmed & Kicking" - Janice Dickinson S8E3 "Run, Piper, Run" - Maya S8E4 "Desperate Housewitches" - Sylvia, Dex's ex S8E12 "Payback's a Witch" - Billie |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 4, 2024 3:56:12 GMT -5
For me Prue would've had Telekinesis, Levitation and then Teleporation. Piper originally freezing things in slow mo then althogether and finally turning things to ice. Phoebe Premonitions then Astral Projection and finally Empathy but emotion based not power- based meaning no channeling or replicating those. And Paige finally Telekinetic Orbing, Psychokinetic Orbing (moving objects or people not seen) and Orb Shielding after Wyatt loses that power permanently. As stated in my comment brfore the last one here are the answers I choose which I will explain more below except Prue's last power I'm changing from teleportation to Telepathic Communication because one Paige being half white lighter can teleport by orbing and I want each sister to have a power that doesn't fit any of the others plus that's still moving things with her mind because she's sending messages to people non-verbally but not reading minds as Phoebe's empathy would do that but less obviously. Okay so for Prue's telekinesis, it would progress to what we saw in Morality Bites in terms of destructive power and what happened to half of the attic and also she would be able to throw people across a greater distance like Brianna Warren did. Prue would also be able to create earthquakes with the power to. I swapped astral projection to levitation with Prue because the first power fits with Phoebe being able to travel into the future via her visions so levitation was the best alternative to telekinesis as Prue's still moving her body. Whilst that progressed Prue would be able to leap tall buildings like Superman, levitate and move people herself, travel and float longer distances which would in the end extend to flight. Being able to transmit messages would help in situations like with the Collectors in season 2 which as time went on Prue could broadcast information to a wider number of people than just one and then say things out aloud which people would hear without her speaking to them. Piper - Her powers could go two ways depending whether they were time based or molecule-based. Time-based Piper would slow things down like her past life did in the 1920s which would grow to stopping that ultimately and then finally rewind and fast forward time but only a day max because of the mental energy it would take to do that with her body exhausting her naturally. Molecule-based after freezing things which would grow to what happened in Morality Bites Piper would be able to lower the temperature in a room or a person's body to the point of inducing hypothermia and then freeze things as her third power in actual Ice. Phoebe - I put astral projection instead of levitation as her second power because it fit how her premonition power advanced and would give her the ability to be in 2 places once she could be awake at the same time plus use her powers in astral at some point as well. Empathy I made emotion based because of how she felt her victims pain during premonitions so that was a natural power progression for her but she wouldn't be able to channel powers just read people emotions and channel those, heal people emotionally, project what she felt onto other people and shield herself plus family and friends from enemies who tried to attack them emotionally also. Paige - Telekinetic orbing would increase to being able to orb bigger objects and a whole group of people like Elders could do for example Leo with the group of magic school children in the Legend Of Sleepy Halliwell. Paige would throw or move demons as demonstrated season 7 onward and call for things finally non verbally of course. Progressing on Paige would move people and objects she couldn't see by visualising them in her mind first then finally be able to create orb shields like in the comics if Wyatt lost that power permanently himself. |
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Post by forbuss on Apr 8, 2024 6:58:10 GMT -5
They definitely could have done more with Paige's powers. They could have made milestones stronger for her such as: being able to orb herself different places, orbing other folks, orbing people when she herself isn't orbing, etc. Remember when she orbed herself in half? Also they threw in the glamour power which was supposed to be a whitelighter power but I don't think we saw any other whitelighters do this. In terms of her TK - it would have been cool for it to progress to a non-orbing form of TK. I remember Phoebe said the whitelighter in her made her TK work differently but maybe as she grew stronger as a witch this power could have emerged. I know we saw Leo use it in S5 to glamour as Jeric. Yeah It could've been fun if she could've progressed to a non-orbing form of TK. Because all her powers were whitelighter based, and she had zero abilities that were more witch based as in how they were used. By the end of the show she gained pretty much all the whitelighter abilities apart from immortality. While Chris gained TK the normal way like Prue and Grams, when he was also half whitelighter. So why does Paige get stuck with the TK powers she has working differently because of the whitelighter in her, but not Chris. Thinking it over if she's suppose to be half-whitelighter, what even makes her half when all her powers work exactly like a full whitelighter, apart from her TK hybrid power, the rest were mostly whitelighter powers. Great point about Chris! Paige's orbing/whitelighter based powers do bug me. It's difficult to know when her witch powers end and her whitelighter powers start. For example.. In "The Power of Three Blondes" when they stole the sisters powers, the one who got Paige's couldn't use ANY of Paige's witch powers (TK). This made no sense to me. Obviously she would not have been able to "orb" but why didn't she get anything? It's like Paige's witch powers couldn't exist without her whitelighter powers. It also bugged me in this episode that alllll that sher wanted to do was orb when clearly she was never going to get that power. |
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Post by zachary on Apr 9, 2024 10:12:10 GMT -5
I know we saw Leo use it in S5 to glamour as Jeric. Yeah It could've been fun if she could've progressed to a non-orbing form of TK. Because all her powers were whitelighter based, and she had zero abilities that were more witch based as in how they were used. By the end of the show she gained pretty much all the whitelighter abilities apart from immortality. While Chris gained TK the normal way like Prue and Grams, when he was also half whitelighter. So why does Paige get stuck with the TK powers she has working differently because of the whitelighter in her, but not Chris. Thinking it over if she's suppose to be half-whitelighter, what even makes her half when all her powers work exactly like a full whitelighter, apart from her TK hybrid power, the rest were mostly whitelighter powers. Great point about Chris! Paige's orbing/whitelighter based powers do bug me. It's difficult to know when her witch powers end and her whitelighter powers start. For example.. In "The Power of Three Blondes" when they stole the sisters powers, the one who got Paige's couldn't use ANY of Paige's witch powers (TK). This made no sense to me. Obviously she would not have been able to "orb" but why didn't she get anything? It's like Paige's witch powers couldn't exist without her whitelighter powers. It also bugged me in this episode that alllll that sher wanted to do was orb when clearly she was never going to get that power. I headcannon that she just never learned the trigger for regular Telekinesis. To be fair, we never saw her "try" to use Paige's other power besides orbing. Would've been SO cool the one who got Paige's powers actually had a witch ability |
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Post by West on Apr 9, 2024 14:08:19 GMT -5
Great point about Chris! Paige's orbing/whitelighter based powers do bug me. It's difficult to know when her witch powers end and her whitelighter powers start. For example.. In "The Power of Three Blondes" when they stole the sisters powers, the one who got Paige's couldn't use ANY of Paige's witch powers (TK). This made no sense to me. Obviously she would not have been able to "orb" but why didn't she get anything? It's like Paige's witch powers couldn't exist without her whitelighter powers. It also bugged me in this episode that alllll that sher wanted to do was orb when clearly she was never going to get that power. I headcannon that she just never learned the trigger for regular Telekinesis. To be fair, we never saw her "try" to use Paige's other power besides orbing. Would've been SO cool the one who got Paige's powers actually had a witch ability Whatever Prue did to trigger it in the first episode. She needed to get mad. 😆 |
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