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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 8, 2007 0:10:49 GMT -5
But in "Used Karma" and "Hyde School Reunion," no lives had been lost, the way they were in "All Hell Breaks Loose."
You can't cheat death, but you can cheat people witnessing other people's magically-induced childish behavior.
Also, the events of Season 6 took place almost three years later...the sisters had grown significantly in magical strength since the days Prue was alive.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 8, 2007 7:39:21 GMT -5
that's right whitlightertony!
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 8, 2007 17:34:00 GMT -5
Yes, their powers had grown. So, why not simply erase everyone's memory of what happened in Something Wiccan. Oh wait, that's right. Inspector Sheridan had her memory erased by "memory dust", not a spell. And, as we know, memory dust can wear off. It did. So, why not cast another memory erase spell? Why not? Because there isn't such a spell. Sorry, whitelightertony, imagining it is so does not make it be.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 10, 2007 2:09:20 GMT -5
Are you referring to the exposure of Zankou's energy ball putting a gaping hole in the roof of the manor?
I think the FBI and Homeland Security covered that up so the general public wouldn't learn it was a magical energy ball.
As for the Charmed Ones, they had no way of knowing that Zankou's energy ball had potentially exposed magic to the world. They were too preoccupied with vanquishing him, and then morphing into their new identities. Besides, if the authorities were able to successfully write off Zankou's magic as being something mundane like an "electrical fire," exposure was really a moot point.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 10, 2007 17:37:15 GMT -5
You didn't answser the question. Why assume that Homeland Security can cover this up? Didn't the neighbors notice anything?
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 11, 2007 1:54:06 GMT -5
Of course the neighbors would have noticed. But Homeland Security could have simply "leaked" to the media that there was an "electrical fire" in the Halliwells' attic...and the public would have been none the wiser.
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Post by spiritsas on Aug 13, 2007 15:30:12 GMT -5
I think you're both missing the bigger picture here, as far as the neighbors and what people would notice. How about the fact that 50+ law enforcement agents, including SWAT like teams with automatic weapons and helicopters, have just desended upon a house in a quiet residential street in San Francisco.
That would make the news in any state or city. This, followed not just by a minor explosion in the attic, but a major one in the basement. One which is to have thought to have incinerated at least four people, maybe more, leaving behind no evidence of what the explosion's cause was or what happened to the house's occupant, who Homeland Security agents saw, in the house.
I think that is the bigger issue for the neighbors. Of course, all is swept away with one announcement that the sisters were in league with DHS, working on a case which required their deaths to be faked. Since we all know this happens all the time, at least on TV, it sounds reasonably plausible. For the neighbors too.
My question is, who fixed the house back in time for the funeral at the beginning of S8? Wouldn't it have been deemed structually insecure after an explosion of such magnitude in the basement? But hey, it was TV fiction, after all.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 13, 2007 15:51:44 GMT -5
hmm.. i never thought that
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Post by ljones on Aug 13, 2007 17:45:25 GMT -5
Exactly what did Phoebe do to expose magic in “All Hell Breaks Loose”? Prue and Piper’s actions exposed them, not Phoebe’s. Heck, their actions exposed them for the first time, before Phoebe had left to search for Cole.
When you mean . . . “no lives”, are you referring to the Halliwells and Leo ONLY?
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 15, 2007 22:30:36 GMT -5
I really didn't notice much difference in the condition of the manor (the inside, at least) between SWTWG and SC&K.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 15, 2007 22:31:42 GMT -5
No humans died in "Used Karma."
The only one who died in "Hyde School Reunion" was Rick, but he was hardly an Innocent.
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Post by bakinator321 on Aug 16, 2007 4:16:00 GMT -5
pipper is my fave sister!
and about if the neigbourghs would have noticed
DAHH!
they would have talked for the few months of which therre was no chrmed ones wen they ere in guises.
afterwards they would have been told everythin by homleland security (( every lie to try and keep them quiet ))!
after they realised that they were involved in a mission that involved fakin there own deaths and goin through such emtional despair they would have taked behind there backs maybe.
but they didnt come into it at all part from in 'power outage' and when the world turned realy good and rally bad both eps.
i think thats the only two i can think of
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Post by ljones on Sept 3, 2007 0:04:32 GMT -5
So . . . are you trying to tell us that Phoebe and Paige had a good excuse to deliberately set Rick up to be murdered by demons . . . instead of simply returning him to the police?
Please tell me you're not saying this.
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Post by Piper3 on Sept 3, 2007 3:01:43 GMT -5
i dont think it would have beenthe righ thing to do but then again he was evil.He was the type of guy who would have became a deamon. Or started murdering people.
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 3, 2007 17:20:16 GMT -5
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that because Rick wasn't an Innocent, Phoebe/Paige were able to get away with being partially responsible for his death. Rightly or wrongly so. Personally, I don't see a problem with it, because Rick was such a sociopath that he probably would have gone on to recklessly expose magic to the rest of the world.
Now you can argue that the Elders should have punished Phoebe and Paige for their role in Rick's murder (or maybe the Elders agreed with me, that it was acceptable to "sacrifice" Rick for the Greater Good)...but Phoebe/Paige being responsible for setting up Rick certainly wasn't of the same magnitude as Shax's actions in "All Hell Breaks Loose," where he and The Source were clearly trying to tip the scales in favor of Evil.
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Post by ljones on Sept 4, 2007 21:14:21 GMT -5
I see. If a person does indulge in evil, then someone has the right to kill that person in cold blood or set him up to be killed. This is morality? My God! No wonder this country is screwed up! Because the victim is viewed as evil or not an innocent, it's alright to murder him or her in cold blood . . . even if the act was not committed in defense of someone or in self-defense? WTH?   It was okay for Phoebe and Paige to have Rick killed because he could have been a demon or start murdering people? What sort of thinking is this? Phoebe and Paige had committed an evil and unecessary act. And the fact that you're making excuses for them makes me really wonder about your moral compass. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 5, 2007 1:54:18 GMT -5
They don't necessarily have "the right" to do it...but in the case of Phoebe and Paige letting Rick become demon-kibble, the Elders may have viewed it as a necessary evil to protect magical exposure.
I'm sorry, but I really don't see how the world was worse off with Rick no longer a part of it.
My moral compass is just fine, thank you very much.
It may seem to you as though I'm making excuses for Phoebe and Paige, but I feel that I'm merely explaining their actions.
If I was a witch, I'm sure I would have taken a different approach - - such as reciting an impromptu spell along with my Charmed brother(s) to teleport Rick back into prison.
But then again, you can't know what you would do unless you're in that moment.
If Piper had been there, she obviously could have just frozen Rick - - and Paige could have orbed him out and that would have been the end of it.
But Piper wasn't there; and even then, yes, you could argue that Paige could have orbed the gun away, or orbed behind Rick and then orbed him to a new location - - but put yourself in the position of facing down a lunatic who's pointing a gun at you, and your actions might be unpredictable as well.
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Post by ljones on Sept 5, 2007 11:07:05 GMT -5
Unpredictable? That's the worst you can say about deliberately setting someone up to be murdered? It seems as if you're still making excuses for them, because they are two of the three main characters. Even worse, this seems hypocritical to me.
If someone other than the Charmed Ones or Leo had set Rick up to be murdered, I wonder if you would have condemned that person.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 5, 2007 11:55:55 GMT -5
Whitelightertony, as much as I admire your desire to clarify the issue with respect to Hyde School Reunion, you should by now realize that no discussion is possible under the given circumstances. You lack a partner with whom to debate the issue!
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Post by ljones on Sept 5, 2007 12:17:04 GMT -5
Thank you, vandergraaftk, for lacking the courage to insult me directly.
Apparently, it seems the only thing you're capable of doing in regard to "Hyde School Reunion".
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