Issues with piper

[vandergraafk]

That's NOT an insult. It's simply a statement of fact. No one has responded to whitelightertony's comments in any meaningful way. I ignore any and all of your diatribes as much as I can. Can't you find some other Charmed site to annoy?

[ljones]

vandergraafk said:

That's NOT an insult. It's simply a statement of fact. No one has responded to whitelightertony's comments in any meaningful way. I ignore any and all of your diatribes as much as I can. Can't you find some other Charmed site to annoy?

You NEVER ignore my comments! Spare me the lies!

[mom2wyattnchris]

I am not much for the hater stuff on here that I am already seeing in threads . I don't much like it when others express their bad opinions about Piper because she just happens to be my favorite.

I don't think this place is for that. It's natural to debate and have differences in opinions but geez can't we be nice about it and show some respect for others....AND THE SHOW!

Do onto others as you would want done to yourselves.

[whitelightertony]

Unpredictable? That's the worst you can say about deliberately setting someone up to be murdered?

It happened extremely fast...yes, it was unpredictable. It certainly wasn't the most logical or sensible approach they could have taken to solving the problem.

It seems as if you're still making excuses for them, because they are two of the three main characters. Even worse, this seems hypocritical to me.

And it seems you're trying to put words into my mouth. When have I ever said anything about the Charmed Ones being immune from blame just because they're the leads?

If someone other than the Charmed Ones or Leo had set Rick up to be murdered, I wonder if you would have condemned that person.

No, I wouldn't have...not if that character understood what was at stake, and knew that there would be "consequences" to exposing magic to the rest of the world.

Although, quite honestly, I don't really understand why Good and Evil want to prevent magical exposure so badly? I mean, would the world really be that worse off if all mortals in the Charmedverse knew that magic existed?

[MarAcev]

Exhibit A: All hell breaks loose

[whitelightertony]

But the magical exposure in AHBL happened under circumstances where neither Good nor Evil intended to reveal their magical identities.

What if witches, demons, and other Good/Evil beings decided to "come clean" to the mortal world about their magic? I believe there'd be a great difference from what we saw happen in AHBL.

[MarAcev]

I'm not sure about that. The point of the episode was that as soon as they learned they were different, there were all these different people who wanted to get close to them for very different reasons: fear, hope and just plain fanatic crazyness.

[Kit-the-cat]

I couldnt agree more. Keeping there magic a secreat is more important! In AHBL if they had not gone out in the open and used magic, prue may still be alive

[whitelightertony]

I'm not sure about that. The point of the episode was that as soon as they learned they were different, there were all these different people who wanted to get close to them for very different reasons: fear, hope and just plain fanatic crazyness.

Yes, but if they revealed their magic to the world on their own terms, both Good and Evil would be ready for the response from the "pure mortals."

The problem with AHBL is that the Charmed Ones were blindsided by the mass exposure of their magic, and they didn't really have time to figure out how they would deal with it.

In "Oh My Goddess," Meta implied that there was a time in history when magic was practiced openly in front of powerless mortals. So, I don't think magical exposure would be guaranteed to be detrimental (although it would need to be handled with a better approach).

The world would definitely become chaotic, but by no means fatal for the magical community. They may have the crazy Alice Hickses of the world gunning for them, but magical creatures would also have the upper-hand in terms of their supernatural powers.

[vandergraafk]

It wasn't just exposure that was the issue. The Charmed Ones were perfectly content to let Darryl (eventually) know their secret, just as Prue eventually had confided in Andy. The Charmed Ones hoped that Dr. Griffiths might have been equally appreciative. It turned out he abused their trust. It was probably fair for the Charmed Ones to be suspicious of most non-magically endowed mortals. Maybe they would have been examined, sliced upon, diced in pieces and in other ways dissected by Homeland Security or the San Francisco branch of UFO spotters.

[whitelightertony]

Maybe they would have been examined, sliced upon, diced in pieces and in other ways dissected by Homeland Security or the San Francisco branch of UFO spotters.

It would certainly be a risk...but more of a risk than having demonic entities lob fireballs and energy balls at them on a regular basis?

Naw...with enough protective magic, the Halliwells would have had most mortals shaking in their boots.

[vandergraafk]

But isn't that the issue addressed with evil Wyatt. THAT future Wyatt had everyone shaking in their boots. What was to stop him from arbitrarily doing whatever he wanted. Certainly, that's what Bianca and future Chris feared in Criss-Crossed. This is probably why protection spells are a REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA!

[ljones]

This is probably why protection spells are a REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA!

Perhaps the reason a protection spell was a bad idea was because the Halliwells never learned how to cast a competent spell. Have you ever considered that?

[vandergraafk]

Well, that and the fact that the "protection spell" that Marcie Steadwell boasted about was savagely ridiculed! I am, of course, only addressing the question in terms of Charmedverse. Whether protection spells can be competently cast is another matter entirely!

[ljones]

Well, that and the fact that the "protection spell" that Marcie Steadwell boasted about was savagely ridiculed!

I never understood why Phoebe and the others had ridiculed Marcie's protection spell in the first place. For all they knew, Marcie's spell may have led to Phoebe having a premonition about her. But to ridicule her without really knowing the complete truth seems rather silly to me.

[whitelightertony]

But isn't that the issue addressed with evil Wyatt. THAT future Wyatt had everyone shaking in their boots. What was to stop him from arbitrarily doing whatever he wanted. Certainly, that's what Bianca and future Chris feared in Criss-Crossed. This is probably why protection spells are a REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA!

In the future timeline where adult Wyatt turned evil, the Charmed Ones were dead. And since Wyatt was the most powerful being to walk the earth, there wasn't enough Good to overpower him.

But imagine a world where magic is exposed to all mortals, and the Charmed Ones along with a morally-benevolent Wyatt are both fighting on the side of Good.

[Kit-the-cat]

I think that dealt with carefully, magic could been used openly again in the world of Charmed.

There are witches in our world today, not witches with Active Powers like TCO's, but people don't really care that there are people that practise the craft.

[whitelightertony]

And remember, in Paige's fantasy world from "My Three Witches," Paige was able to use magic openly without fear or hostility from other mortals.

If the magical community were exposed to all pure mortals, I imagine the end result would be a medium between what we saw in "All Hell Breaks Loose" and what Paige imagined in "My Three Witches."

[Kit-the-cat]

I agree with that. There will be some people who can accept it, and others who are crazies and can't

[vandergraafk]

And, can you imagine the pressure of having to perform (magic) all of the time? How, on Earth, would the sisters ever have a normal life? Homeland Security would have them on the job 24/7, if the Elders didn't bottle up their time first!