Prue's Death - Could it have been avoided

[vandergraafk]

Spiritkas, I thought that the original posting was aimed at the two of us. Hence, I tried to respond to what you posted. As you do not spend a lot of time posting on these more intense discussion threads, perhaps you are not aware of some of the more unseemly comments that have been made. Ms. jones accused the moderators of these boards of being "fascist". Where that came from, I don't know. Nor could I even begin to imagine. It was the result, perhaps, of a general discussion of Awakened, an episode where most participants did not share in ljones' condemnation of Piper and did not view her potential death as extremely warranted.

There was no attempt to persuade ljones since I do not believe that possible. Yet, she brands us all as fascist. Now, if you want to focus solely on my last comment which was a culmination of all of the nonsense she has written lately, that's up to you. It certainly is not characteristic of my postings and may have reflected a bad day. Who knows?

But, I invite you or anyone for that matter to re-read any and all of her postings. Her comment to you is not atypical. You know, a long time ago, Archangel used to write really, really bizarre stuff. Occasionally, he shows up and writes something equally bizarre. Usually, we just ignore it and move on. Unfortunately, with ljones it is not possible. Check out Judging the Charmed Ones and see how that thread has spun gears for the past two pages. Personal communication was tried, a long time ago, and was equally fruitless. Now, again we spending all of this time talking about nothing.

But, you know what! It's time to move on. Unfortunately, I've completely forgotten the purpose of this thread or where we are heading. HELP!!!!

[bakinator321]

i dont now if it could have been avoided i genuinly dont know i never realy thought bout it...

but if it was true that leo could only save 1 then i'm glad that ir was piper.

[apollo223]

i have never seen "all hell breaks loose" so i have no idea but TNT is showing it today and im not sure i want to see it because i think that prue should have stayed on the show so bad and i had never seen the prue episodes until now and i can never see paige replacing prue plus havent we seen leo heal 2 ppl at the same time? i mean it mite just b me but idk

[apollo223]

by the way why didnt the cleaners come in and erase the reporters or something idk that wuld have saved the sisters because piper would have never gotten shot and they wouldnt have to make a deal with tempus

[vandergraafk]

With respect to the Cleaners: let me suggest two possible answers. First, the Cleaners were only used when good magic was exposed. Thus, when baby Wyatt conjured the dragon, this exposure of magic was solely related to the use of magic by witches. It did not involve demons. The exposure that you are referring to in All Hell Breaks Loose involved both witches and demons. The Cleaners could not undo black magic. Is that why they were dressed in white?

The second answer is more cynical. The writers hadn't invented the concept of the Cleaners yet. And, since the return of Shannen Doherty was questionable, the writers had to provide an outlet for eliminating this character.

Now, having said that, All Hell Breaks Loose is a great episode, marred only by a couple of problems. The behavior of the SFPD with respect to crowd control defies common sense. The crowd was never so large as to be beyond simple crowd control efforts. Thus, super markswoman Alice never would have gotten a chance to fire off a one-in-a-gazillion shot. And, if Holly had not perfunctorily walked to the x-spot on the set floor (this happens a lot in Charmed), maybe she wouldn't have been in the exact position to get shot. Enjoy this fine episode that could have ended in several different ways. No witches die, one witch dies, both Prue and Piper die, or all three Charmed Ones die.

[CharmedFan4Ever]

It's been awhile since I have posted on here, but I want to put my two-cents in here. I do believe that Prue being killed off, for whatever reason, was a copout. We see in Season 3 that Prue is wanting to do more not only in her wiccan life, but her personal life also. To me this would have been a fitting end to Prue by not killing her off.

After the fight with Shax, maybe at the beginning of Season 4, Prue loses her powers, but knows that the Charmed Destiny must still go on. In this scenerio, the girls get a lead on another sister, which turns out to be Paige. After they learn her backstory, being the daughter of Patty and Sam, the Power of 3 is reconstituted, with Prue leaving to find herself. This way, all the sisters could still be available to interact, especially Prue and Paige, who actually never met each other the way the story went down. Prue could have acted as their confidant over issues they were struggling with, and could have been a factor in helping them make decisions.

I think it was a shame that SD was not invited back for at least the series finale. She was and always will be part of the Charned Legacy, whether Kern wanted to acknowledge it or not. Prue could have still conjured up Grams and Patty, plus built a relationship with Paige. And wouldn't it have been great if Prue had become an innocent that Paige had to protect. There were so many possibilities, but I blame Kern (and Spelling) for not tapping into that potential.

[whitelightertony]

VK, I thought it was revealed, in "Crimes and Witch Demeanors," that The Cleaners were created by (and took orders from) The Tribunal. So wouldn't exposure of magic by Evil be just as unacceptable?

[MarAcev]

That's what I got too. However, it could be that the cleaners were created to cover up messes that nobody else could cover up. Considering the Charmed ones did cover up the mess, there was no need for them to be involved. It did cost Prue her life, but perhaps that's what they wanted, to let things unfold in their natural way.

[thewarlock]

Of coures Prues death could of been stoped but the charmed ones were distracted fighting their own deamons. I belive in the eiposide in queistion Pure was under attack by more then one deamon and piper did try to help and pheobe had the premonition that the deamons would attack. So they did try to stop Pures death, but in a way pure never dies because she ius in the hearts of the sisters.

[whitelightertony]

It's been implied that The Cleaners possess some level of precognition, so they could have foreseen that Tempus resetting time along with the deaths of Prue and Dr. Griffiths would end any further short-term threat of magical exposure.

[vandergraafk]

Yes, I am well aware that the Cleaners were created by the Tribunal. As you know, the Tribunal was comprised equally of good and evil (2 heads each, as it were). What I am focusing on is an answer to why the Cleaners could not and were, in fact, not used to clean up the mess of All Hell Breaks Loose (beyond the obvious explanation that the writers hadn't thought of this yet and the need to open the possibility for the end of Prue). If you look at those instances where the (white-suited) Cleaners were employed, it is with respect to exposure that results from (white) magic. I simply have extended the thought to suppose that there exist as well dark suited Cleaners who clean up dark magic. Each would answer to the Tribunal.

However, as the Tribunal is an equally divided body, it would have been better to have Cleaners suited to each side. One can only imagine if dark-suited Cleaners had attempted to undo white magic and vice-versa. The Tribunal would be hopelessly deadlocked as each side complained about the other's interference. Think about it!

[Esmeralda]

Personally, I think the Tribunal came up with the Cleaners AFTER Prue's death when they found out what happened when magic was exposed. Now why the Cleaners didn't wipe out Billie when she exposed magic to her class in her Wonder-Woman-like getup, that's what *I'd* like to know!

[pipercharmedphreak]

that would have made total sense! billie could have exposed magic just as easily after that she was so much more carefree!

[vandergraafk]

The WB, by insisting on reduced costs for Charmed, basically took Spelling Productions to the "Cleaners" for Season 8.

[Esmeralda]

ROFLMAO! Oh, vandergraafk, that's PERFECT, and, oh, do you get blessed for that!!

[foxfire]

The Cleaners, as much as it would have made sense to be created after the event of Prue's death, were stated to have been around for a long while.

[whitelightertony]

I simply have extended the thought to suppose that there exist as well dark suited Cleaners who clean up dark magic. Each would answer to the Tribunal.

Dark-suited Cleaners...that's definitely an intriguing concept! Never thought of that.

I still think the reason The Cleaners didn't intervene in "All Hell Breaks Loose" or "Battle of the Hexes" was because they foresaw (or sensed, through presentience) that the exposure would eventually be reversed.

Whereas in "Forget Me...Not" and "Crimes and Witch Demeanors," the magical exposure would never have been reversed by the Halliwells on their own without a little "nudge" from The Cleaners.

[Esmeralda]

Do you think that this is because *both* good and evil were exposed, so therefore they knew that *both* good and evil would work together to "unexpose" it without the help of the Cleaners? And was it because it was truly Prue's destiny to die so that her sisters could find Paige? And because it was Prue's death that gave them an impetus to destroy the Source who was probably becoming too powerful for the Great Cosmic Design ? That's always been my belief.

Although I *still* want to know why Billie wasn't cleaned out when she went to class in her Wonder-Woman getup. It would've taken care of S8 SOOOOO nicely! (And, yes, I truly think that the real reason is because she was Kern's favorite character that season, and at that point he truly thought that she would be the star of his next series, so she couldn't be cleaned out. I want to know the reason within Charmedverse.)

[pipercharmedphreak]

Es- your first section i am with you all the way! hopefully Kern wouldnt create a series with Billie as the star *shows my disguist* i mean billie didnt have to be all that bad-but that's what Kern turned her into- the all about billie show-that was for sure myy least fave thing in the 8 season!

[Esmeralda]

Well, Piper the hypocritical b*tch was *my* least-favorite part, but Billie (not Christy--she was the perfect final innocent, had they used her properly) definitely gave her a race for her money!