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Post by ljones on May 26, 2010 0:52:08 GMT -5
Billie was quite frankly a pathetic character. A feabley inept attempt at keeping viewers. my disdain for her is immearsurable. I stopped watching once she joined the cast and I'm unable to even watch reruns with her in them. She truly marked the downfall of the series. I feel that the series' downfall began long before Billie appeared on the scene. Also, I've always liked Kyle Brody and never had a problem with Dan Gordon. |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jun 15, 2010 0:34:36 GMT -5
In my opinion, I liked the idea of another witch coming to remind TCO they needed to focus on innocents. Billie really said that a whole lot. However, I really think that Billie should have been more new to the craft or something. I also didn't like how they made her try to kill TCO. I hated Christy and I hated how they made her totally "unsavable". The whole thing went against everything this show stood for. The ending truly saddened me. Christy was the ultimate innocent and needed to be saved. I hated the focus being taken off the sisters and being put on Christy and Billie.
I think that it would have been very easy for the Sisters to cast a truth spell on the Triad with Christy there. She would have known they didn't care about her and it would have turned her to the good side.... I really don't know why they needed for her to be evil. I also think Billie was much too powerful. The Ultimate Power is just not a spiffy name either...
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Post by erikamarie on Jun 18, 2010 3:18:09 GMT -5
Billie seemed mostly interested in chasing demons as if it were an Olympic sport
Christy had been brainwashed by Triad ok but then she was welcomed by the sisters she was surrounded by loving people ready to help her she met again her parents she had the opportunity to break with the Triad but she didn't even Billie wasn't able to divert her from her plan. Why the ultimate innocent ? She wasn' t innocent she was always aware of Triad plan and she liked it she allowed even her parents killing
I liked her as a smart evil enemy
Angel of Destiny demanded the sisters to fight them not to find a way to save them
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 21, 2010 12:45:20 GMT -5
Billie seemed mostly interested in chasing demons as if it were an Olympic sport Christy had been brainwashed by Triad ok but then she was welcomed by the sisters she was surrounded by loving people ready to help her she met again her parents she had the opportunity to break with the Triad but she didn't even Billie wasn't able to divert her from her plan. Why the ultimate innocent ? She wasn' t innocent she was always aware of Triad plan and she liked it she allowed even her parents killing I liked her as a smart evil enemy Angel of Destiny demanded the sisters to fight them not to find a way to save them Fighting them does not mean vanquishing them - it simply means confronting them. All the Elders and the Angel of Destiny said was that they would have to battle the Jenkinses, not that they would have to vanquish them. But naturally, that's all that The Charmed Ones (and Kern) thought about - a nice huge vanquish with lots of special effect.  The Charmed Ones never once realized that they had another choice - and destiny, shmestiny, they always had a choice - all they could think about is getting rid of someone so they wouldn't be killed and so that Phoebe could have her daughter and Piper could get Leo back. If The Charmed Ones could've saved Billie and Christy rather than planning on vanquishing someone who was unfairly kidnapped as a child and corrupted into believing that The Charmed Ones were evil, I would've regained my respect for them rather than loathing them as I did. That's why Christy is the Ultimate Innocent - her being kidnapped as a child and brainwashed into believing that the demons were good and The Charmed Ones evil (although that became more true after the sisters planned on vanquishing a fellow witch - Billie - and not trying to save a true innocent) was not her fault. Were she a teenager or an adult when she was kidnapped, I would feel differently, but she was only eight years old! Say like if after Prue died, if Piper and Phoebe found out that the Source had found out about their half-sister and had kidnapped her and brainwashed her and corrupted her into thinking that her half-sisters were evil and she now wanted to kill them. Would you have wanted them to vanquish Paige? Of course not. You would've wanted them to find a way to save her. The same is true in this situation, the same way that they didn't vanquish Phoebe when she became Cole's Queen - and that was *her* choice - being kidnapped and brainwashed was not Christy's. Even the way that Kern (and I *do* blame all of this on him) tried to make Christy seem evil, by having *her* murder was ridiculous. That's what Cole did when he murdered the witch and yet Phoebe was still able to save him by throwing the potion at him while she was in the Underworld. They could've/should've done the same for Christy. It would've been totally different had The Charmed Ones tried to save the Jenkinses, realized they couldn't and then killed them in self-defense when the Jenkinses actually tried to kill them, the way Billie actually did kill her sister in self-defense. That excuses her, but it does not excuse The Charmed Ones. All The Charmed Ones thought about was vanquishing the Jenkinses. But planning a murder is not self-defense - it's pre-meditated conspiracy to murder and in a lot of states, that means the death penalty. That's what should've happened to The Charmed Ones - they should've lost all of their powers and *never* get Leo back and *never* let Phoebe have her daughter, rather than being rewarded by getting Leo back and letting Phoebe be the mother of the next set of Charmed Ones. |
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Post by ghostrider on Jun 21, 2010 22:10:34 GMT -5
I have argued this point once before when I asked how old Christy was when she was abducted. Someone jumped in and said she was about 8. Thank you to the member, but that really was not my issue. I knew she was very young and if Patty Hearst could be turned at 19-20 than a child of 8 or 9 should not be in question. The point I was going for was that she should not have been held accountable for her actions when she was finally brought into the, shall be say, the light. So, I agree with those who feel she should have been helped...not killed!! This does not make me like the Billie/Christy show any better, but it does give me food for thought.
I also have to examine Kern and how he went about this. It is as if he set the ball in motion for viewers to applaud and or except the out come of the Charmed Ones ridding the world of bad Christ and Billie by having their parents killed off by Christ. It is hard to have sympathy for the two sisters after that happened. Nice trick on his part. Of all of the awful scenes I have witnessed on the show that has to be one of the very worst. I thought the whole this was in bad taste and unacceptable. Many are unhappy with the silly critters that danced through the seasons, but as least you could walk away from that with tongue in cheek...but the distasteful murder of Billie and Christy's parents made Charmed look a little like "24".
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jun 24, 2010 22:31:13 GMT -5
Christy looked between 9-12 in the flashbacks Billie had and when she projected to her.
I view her as an innocent because she spent years being brainwashed. She was brainwashed to think that she would have a life with Billie after this and all these great things would happen. If TCO would have saved her and Billie then the two powerful lines of witches could have worked together and provided for a much happier ending- after all this ending was sad... Billie lost her parents and sister she worked SO hard to find. Its truly sad.. she even killed Christy herself, albeit at that moment it was self defense...
The other question is what if Christy were the character w/o Billie there? How would that have made for good plot? IMO Billie did bring me some laughs though like with the belt. However the show became too focused on those two.
edit: the demons killed billie/christy's parents and both billie and christy were horrified when it happened. instead of turning away from the demons it strengthened the sisterly bond and for some reason all of the sudden christy new what to do and kept billie at her dorm....
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Post by ljones on Jun 24, 2010 23:46:47 GMT -5
Christy looked between 9-12 in the flashbacks Billie had and when she projected to her. I view her as an innocent because she spent years being brainwashed. She was brainwashed to think that she would have a life with Billie after this and all these great things would happen. If TCO would have saved her and Billie then the two powerful lines of witches could have worked together and provided for a much happier ending- after all this ending was sad... Billie lost her parents and sister she worked SO hard to find. Its truly sad.. she even killed Christy herself, albeit at that moment it was self defense... The other question is what if Christy were the character w/o Billie there? How would that have made for good plot? IMO Billie did bring me some laughs though like with the belt. However the show became too focused on those two. edit: the demons killed billie/christy's parents and both billie and christy were horrified when it happened. instead of turning away from the demons it strengthened the sisterly bond and for some reason all of the sudden christy new what to do and kept billie at her dorm.... When you talk about innocents who end up being brainwashed, lied to or possessed by evil; chances are they are NOT going to be saved by the Charmed Ones. |
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Post by erikamarie on Jun 25, 2010 10:41:08 GMT -5
. It would've been totally different had The Charmed Ones tried to save the Jenkinses, realized they couldn't and then killed them in self-defense when the Jenkinses actually tried to kill them, the way Billie actually did kill her sister in self-defense. That excuses her, but it does not excuse The Charmed Ones. All The Charmed Ones thought about was vanquishing the Jenkinses. But planning a murder is not self-defense - it's pre-meditated conspiracy to murder and in a lot of states, that means the death penalty. That's what should've happened to The Charmed Ones - they should've lost all of their powers and *never* get Leo back and *never* let Phoebe have her daughter, rather than being rewarded by getting Leo back and letting Phoebe be the mother of the next set of Charmed Ones. In season 8 I have seen several episodes in which Christy was trying to convince her sister to eliminate the Charmed One, because they were selfish a good reason to kill people In Kill Billie Vol 2 the Triad asks Dumain when the Halliwell'll attack and he says, "When they are at their most desperate When they realize they have no other choise" In the next scene Billie is worried about not having enough to go up against them and Christy says they have to use the most powerful vanquishing potion and try to carch them off the guard In the underworld, thrown out of the Manor and without the Book of Shadows the sisters are discussing what to do and only then they agree to fight Should they let Billie and Christy kill them? Let the Triad win?Why? Their attack was in self-defense It was impossible to save Christy: she does not confuse good with evil, remembers her previous life, loves her sister she doesn't fear the Triad but she was raised with a purpose and she believes in that goal she wants to kill the CO with a rare determination. The kindness of the Piper disgusts her, she has no regrets deceiving her sister, she controls demons with pleasure and I can not consider an innocent a woman who works with the murders of her parents I like Christy as a villain I would have preferred she had a less stupid sister Which person of ordinary intelligence would have accepted Christy arguments ? To kill the CO because they aren't protecting the innocents? Billie preparing the portions to kill the CO is more criminal than Christy |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jun 25, 2010 13:38:38 GMT -5
Christy looked between 9-12 in the flashbacks Billie had and when she projected to her. I view her as an innocent because she spent years being brainwashed. She was brainwashed to think that she would have a life with Billie after this and all these great things would happen. If TCO would have saved her and Billie then the two powerful lines of witches could have worked together and provided for a much happier ending- after all this ending was sad... Billie lost her parents and sister she worked SO hard to find. Its truly sad.. she even killed Christy herself, albeit at that moment it was self defense... The other question is what if Christy were the character w/o Billie there? How would that have made for good plot? IMO Billie did bring me some laughs though like with the belt. However the show became too focused on those two. edit: the demons killed billie/christy's parents and both billie and christy were horrified when it happened. instead of turning away from the demons it strengthened the sisterly bond and for some reason all of the sudden christy new what to do and kept billie at her dorm.... When you talk about innocents who end up being brainwashed, lied to or possessed by evil; chances are they are NOT going to be saved by the Charmed Ones. The sisters had been brainwashed themselves multiple times and have been possessed even and they recovered from it. Think back also to when they saved the guy who was going to be turned evil with his brothers in the earlier seasons.. I think Christy could have been saved if they tried hard enough. However I do think that the last attack was in self-defense because Billie deflected an attack aimed at her and the sisters. I just think that less planning to kill the Jenkineses would have greatly changed the attitudes toward killing a fellow witch. But TCO was convinced all too fast that battling the Jenkinses was the only way... |
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Post by erikamarie on Jun 26, 2010 4:22:04 GMT -5
All too fast?
So summing up Christy kills against all logic a a demon that Piper would question, Christy stirs up Billie against them, Christy and Billie drug them and cause Mikelle death and almost even Paige death, then the sisters discover that Christy is in charge of the demons of Magic School then they end up under a spell while the magic community is attacked and at the end Christie and Billie turn all the leprechauns and other creatures against them and directly attack the Charmed ones who attempt to escape to magic school but find that it has been blocked from them and so are sent to the underworld…
What else would they have to wait?
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Post by oceangirl122 on Jul 28, 2010 13:17:24 GMT -5
For me, I didn't ever have a problem with Billy. Christy was the one. She was inherently evil from the beginning.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 28, 2010 15:37:45 GMT -5
For me, I didn't ever have a problem with Billy. Christy was the one. She was inherently evil from the beginning. Of course she wasn't inherently evil any more than the Halliwells were when they were born. She became evil when she was kidnapped and brainwashed as a child. Billie was the ditz who exposed magic when she played Wonder Woman and yet was never cleaned out, the way Prue was. |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Aug 18, 2010 19:34:22 GMT -5
That was definately not self-defense in the final confrontation. She could have easily deflected that fireball agaisn't the wall or something...it was a big room! At this point Billie had the same mindset as the TCOs, the only way to end all of it was kill Christy. Too bad Kern couldn't think of a character that was able to think for herself. |
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Post by Lexi on Aug 19, 2010 10:22:35 GMT -5
I read about Season 8 before it aired and I found out about Billie and instantly disliked her. I don't think I ever really gave her a chance because from what I was reading she was going to turn out to be the star of the show rather than the sisters - it was the final season, it should have been all about the sisters!
When the show actually aired, it was very true - Billie became the star of the show - so I just didn't like her for that reason mainly. Add on top that she was a know-it-all and had no regard for her or the sisters' safety - she was a waste of air time.
Now then, Christy. I liked the idea of her character and the actress they had to play her did a good job IMHO.
The idea of The Triad planning this and taking Christy when she was so young...definitely smart for demons since the show seemed to portray demons as being stupid! Christy was definitely brainwashed and I definitely agree with Es that she was the Ultimate Innocent. The sisters *should* have found a way to *save* her not kill her. Never did the sisters *think* about what could have happened to Christy while she was being raised by demons. They never considered that she had been brainwashed until it was really too late. They also never considered that of course Billie would side with her sister - a sister that she had wondered about all her life - just like the sisters themselves would have done had it been one of their sisters.
I think when Piper was trying to fix everything, rather than just letting Billie kill Christy (another mistake on the writers since it should have been the Charmed Ones to do the final ever vanquish - although it shouldn't have been Christy!) Piper should have made an effort to help the two of them. The Angel of Destiny had said that the battle wasn't how it was meant to end - could that translate to that Christy should not have been killed as well as Phoebe and Paige. Christy was supposed to be saved.
Anyway, in answer to the question Billie Vs Christy - definitely Christy.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Sept 4, 2010 22:22:25 GMT -5
That was definately not self-defense in the final confrontation. She could have easily deflected that fireball agaisn't the wall or something...it was a big room! At this point Billie had the same mindset as the TCOs, the only way to end all of it was kill Christy. Too bad Kern couldn't think of a character that was able to think for herself. I meant in the room the Triad was in. But then they had to go back in time to complete the battle in order to get Leo back. No, in the final formation it wasn't self-defense. But, in that situation it either kill or be killed. In my opinion, when they were alone in the Underworld, they should have been trying to come up with a plan to save all 5 of themselves- not to vanquish Billie and Christy. |
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 7, 2010 10:57:58 GMT -5
Angel of destiny asked to destroy Billlie and Christy and the CO took too long to distrust them
I liked Christy a newsworthy character
Billie was unbearably stupid especially after having found her sister I hated her eagerness to hunt demons like it was a fun game
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