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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 11:05:53 GMT -5
Someone should have seriously reined Alyssa in. Or still, not made her a producer, a position that she didn't earn (I mean she never even directed an episode).
There is no way an advice columnist, and let's not forget that Phoebe was just handed the job, could become so popular. Advice columnists are a dozen for a dime. In reality, Phoebe would be some Nobby Nobody that might have a few devoted fans, but nowhere nears as many as we saw on the show.
I don't think it's a coincidence that, once Alyssa and Holly became producers, their characters become more and more unlikable. They both got a power trip and decided that they could do whatever they liked with their characters. And Kern was unwilling, for reasons I don't know, to rein them in.
Maybe that's why Paige stayed likable. Rose didn't become a producer, so she still had to listen to the directors.
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Post by ljones on Oct 13, 2015 15:02:40 GMT -5
I was already getting weary of that formula by Season 2. I was about to drop "CHARMED" altogether, when I saw the Season 3 premiere and decided to give it another chance. I continued watching the series for another two years, before dropping it by mid-Season 5. However, I did see the occasional episode between Seasons 6 and Season 8.
I have doubts about that. I believe that in the end, Phoebe's emotional immaturity would have worn out its welcome. Phoebe would have had to mature as a character and at the same time, maintain her extroverted nature in order for Cole to remain in love with her.
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Post by sol on Oct 13, 2015 15:16:38 GMT -5
Currently there are super popular bloggers, with many followers, who have more influence of prominent journalists: Phoebe jumped the gun, gaining a a lot of fans as columnist
It was a perfect job for her and Phoebe carried it out with passion
The sisters changed after season 3, they were forced to change, their lives had changed, Prue had died, the Source was determined to kill them at any cost, a new sister had bursted into their life, the innocent to be saved had become their own, hunted by the Source killers
Change to survive, a hard but mandatory choice
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 22:16:35 GMT -5
I was already getting weary of that formula by Season 2. I was about to drop "CHARMED" altogether, when I saw the Season 3 premiere and decided to give it another chance. I continued watching the series for another two years, before dropping it by mid-Season 5. However, I did see the occasional episode between Seasons 6 and Season 8. Season 3 to mid-Season 5. Hmm, I sense a trend here.  Sounds like you would've preferred a spinoff about a certain half-demon over Charmed, itself. Go on, it's okay to admit it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 23:54:33 GMT -5
A Cole spin off sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than that rubbish mermaid idea that Kern came up with. It was so bad that all traces of it have seemingly been destroyed.
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Post by yinsoul on Oct 14, 2015 15:37:54 GMT -5
A Cole spin off sounds like a good idea. Certainly better than that rubbish mermaid idea that Kern came up with. It was so bad that all traces of it have seemingly been destroyed. Charmed's 'Angel'? Wouldn't have minded, if it took a more serious tone like Angel did. |
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Post by ljones on Oct 15, 2015 14:06:22 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Cole when I first saw him on the show. To be honest, I thought he was nothing more than a second-rate version of Andy Trudeau . . . until the end of the Season 3 premiere, when he killed that demonic judge. But it was Kern's willingness to present a complex character in the form of Cole and his willingness to explore multi-arc episodes that led me to continue the show. Also, I had dropped the series before Julian McMahon left in Season 5. I didn't see "Centennial Charmed" (which was crap, by the way) until several years later on TNT. I got interested in the show again, with the introduction of Chris. But I could see that with the exception of a few episodes like "Chris-Crossed" (which I love) and the Season 6 finale, the writing had really gone down in quality. I tried it again in the first-half of Season 7, but the Avatar story arc pissed me off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 23:46:38 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Cole when I first saw him on the show. To be honest, I thought he was nothing more than a second-rate version of Andy Trudeau . . . until the end of the Season 3 premiere, when he killed that demonic judge. But it was Kern's willingness to present a complex character in the form of Cole and his willingness to explore multi-arc episodes that led me to continue the show. Also, I had dropped the series before Julian McMahon left in Season 5. I didn't see "Centennial Charmed" (which was crap, by the way) until several years later on TNT. I got interested in the show again, with the introduction of Chris. But I could see that with the exception of a few episodes like "Chris-Crossed" (which I love) and the Season 6 finale, the writing had really gone down in quality. I tried it again in the first-half of Season 7, but the Avatar story arc pissed me off. So, Cole WAS your main draw to the show, after all! Let me tell you something: Charmed sucked at story arcs. Sometimes the writers had good ideas, but the execution was usually horrible, especially later on. Continuity was butchered, characters were ruined, and stories dragged forever beyond their due date. I never watched Charmed for top quality storylines, because that just wasn't the show's strength. |
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Post by erikamarie on Oct 16, 2015 4:46:08 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Cole when I first saw him on the show. To be honest, I thought he was nothing more than a second-rate version of Andy Trudeau . . . until the end of the Season 3 premiere, when he killed that demonic judge. But it was Kern's willingness to present a complex character in the form of Cole and his willingness to explore multi-arc episodes that led me to continue the show. Also, I had dropped the series before Julian McMahon left in Season 5. I didn't see "Centennial Charmed" (which was crap, by the way) until several years later on TNT. I got interested in the show again, with the introduction of Chris. But I could see that with the exception of a few episodes like "Chris-Crossed" (which I love) and the Season 6 finale, the writing had really gone down in quality. I tried it again in the first-half of Season 7, but the Avatar story arc pissed me off. It's funny, I thought the same think, an AD at the place of a cop! I liked him when I understood that he was a different bad guy, seductive, intelligent, well integrated in the society The idea of the Thorn Brotherhood was interesting, a brotherhood interested in gaining economic and political power opened various scenarios than the usual monster of the week Cole's character remains, along with Chris's, one of the most intriguing, even at the end when he was in the grip of his obsession By this point he is one of the most powerful beings to ever exist, hard to hold even for a centenary demon Futhermore, Cole was'nt able to adapt to the human community, no longer able to adapt to demon society and he lost Phoebe, the woman for whom he had turned his life Enough reason to go crazy Many hated this end I think he was grandly dramatic |
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Post by adzpower on Dec 20, 2015 9:47:45 GMT -5
I hate it when I go on other forums or social media and I see some idiot complain about how Paige "ruined" Charmed, I have to resist the urge to slip into full on rant mode and call them out. Paige DID NOT ruin the show, she breathed new life into it, it was KERN that ruined Charmed.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2015 11:24:56 GMT -5
I hate it when I go on other forums or social media and I see some idiot complain about how Paige "ruined" Charmed, I have to resist the urge to slip into full on rant mode and call them out. Paige DID NOT ruin the show, she breathed new life into it, it was KERN that ruined Charmed. And she could've breathed so much more life into it had she had no whitelighter powers, only Warren ones, or just one Warren power and one whitelighter power so she wouldn't be set up to have all of the other whitelighter powers, making her a living whitelighter rather than a Charmed One, and making having a whitelighter for a father more important than having a Charmed One for a mother, and had it taken time for her to truly become part of the family, not just make her a full-time part of it as soon as they find out she's related. I agree that she helped ruined it by turning it from "Charmed" into "Whitelighter" which is what set us up to put up with Chris. But again, it was Brad Kern trying to make the show "new and fresh" by inventing this too-powerful character that jumped them into an alternate universe that was no longer "Charmed". BUT I firmly believe that even had Shannen remained, Kern still would've ruined Charmed, by ruining Prue, turning *her* into the Power of One rather than Piper. And it would continue to become three demon-hunters who happened to be related rather than three sisters who happened to be witches, because had it continued with the original three, Phoebe, Queen of the Underworld; Stalker Cole; the Twice-Blessed Brat; The Lying, Whining, Murdering Brat from the Future; the Overrated Avatars and "the Ultimate Power" leading to the Ultimate Battle leading to Piper's vision of the future would've still been part of it. IMOHO, *that's* what ruined Charmed, much more than Paige. "Whitelighter" could've been a good show, except for this. Adding Stalker Cole, ruining Phoebe, and then adding Wyatt to the mix ruined it much more than Paige did, but it was on its way to being ruined as soon as Paige became part of the mix. As is, turning "Charmed" into 'The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" aka "PhoeME and Her Fantasy Men" aka "Two Witches Plus One Living Whitelighter Equals the Power of Three?" is what ruined it for me. My signature still says it all. All I have to do is think of Season 9 or Paul Ruditis' ebooks when the sisters don't resemble the ones pictured in my signature at all, but instead resemble the other ones mentioned in my signature and I know what ruined Charmed for me, the reason I'll never get the S4-8 DVDs. Okay, your turn! Rant away! |
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Post by adzpower on Dec 20, 2015 12:01:00 GMT -5
I think I agree with everything you said! Kern is the one to blame for everything that went wrong, maybe I'm being hard on the guy, but how he thought the show was still great between seasons 5-8 I'll never understand. He would have ruined Prue for sure, it's why I'm glad she died when she did and wasn't a part of the what I affectionately call the "doomsday" seasons.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5
I think I agree with everything you said! Kern is the one to blame for everything that went wrong, maybe I'm being hard on the guy, but how he thought the show was still great between seasons 5-8 I'll never understand. He would have ruined Prue for sure, it's why I'm glad she died when she did and wasn't a part of the what I affectionately call the "doomsday" seasons. "Doomsday" seasons...hehehehe! I like that! And you're right - it was one Doomsday after another after another, each more boring than the previous... If you want to use any of mine to tell off those fans, feel free! |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 20, 2015 15:52:07 GMT -5
Dare I say…Doomseasons?
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2015 17:11:58 GMT -5
Dare I say…Doomseasons? (yes, that was intentionally lame)Hehehehehehe! You sure can because you're SOOOOO right! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 22:02:10 GMT -5
My biggest Doom Seasons are Seasons 6 & 8. Since doing my mini-marathon, I'm really struggling to find episodes that I can be bothered with. It's so bad that I've trimmed down S5 & 6 into 20 episodes. S7 and S5 are satisfactory, although I do agree that the Charmed's glory days were S1-4.
As for Paige, her Witchlighter powers didn't start to annoy me until 'House Call' when she could suddenly glamour without explanation - it was very out of the blue. Her TK-orbing and orbing were fine, even though I would've still preferred them in non-orb forms: 'Calling' in S4/5 and a different form of Teleporting in S6-8.
These would've still been "moving objects with the mind" powers but wouldn't have made her a Prue clone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 9:02:27 GMT -5
Yeah I would have been okay with Paige's powers too, if they'd just stuck with the first two she got. I wouldn't have had any of the other powers, because they were barely used anyway. Glamoring, sensing, hovering- they were all completely unnecessary. I might still have her develop healing eventually, but only when her love for Henry is there to activate it- no healing, or assisted healing, or half- healing or whatever before that.
Also, one thing I always thought, is that I would have developed her orbing more slowly. Have her orbing in one place through season 4. Then in season 5, let her orb little distances, like around the house. Then gradually develop the distance she can orb from season 6 onward. I'm undecided as to whether I'd allow her to take passengers at all; maybe in season 7. I just felt they were a bit too quick to make her the cosmic taxi. In "The Three Faces of Phoebe", she manages to orb downstairs, but crashes... then not long after in the same episode, she can suddenly orb across town with two passengers absolutely perfectly!
But ideally, I would've just had her be a witch who was destined to be a whitelighter... by which I mean after death, as whitelighters are supposed to be. So I never would have made her a full time whitelighter in life. Her life of helping children and families through her work in social services is what would earn her wings after death.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 21, 2015 10:49:56 GMT -5
Yeah I would have been okay with Paige's powers too, if they'd just stuck with the first two she got. I wouldn't have had any of the other powers, because they were barely used anyway. Glamoring, sensing, hovering- they were all completely unnecessary. I might still have her develop healing eventually, but only when her love for Henry is there to activate it- no healing, or assisted healing, or half- healing or whatever before that. Also, one thing I always thought, is that I would have developed her orbing more slowly. Have her orbing in one place through season 4. Then in season 5, let her orb little distances, like around the house. Then gradually develop the distance she can orb from season 6 onward. I'm undecided as to whether I'd allow her to take passengers at all; maybe in season 7. I just felt they were a bit too quick to make her the cosmic taxi. In "The Three Faces of Phoebe", she manages to orb downstairs, but crashes... then not long after in the same episode, she can suddenly orb across town with two passengers absolutely perfectly! But ideally, I would've just had her be a witch who was destined to be a whitelighter... by which I mean after death, as whitelighters are supposed to be. So I never would have made her a full time whitelighter in life. Her life of helping children and families through her work in social services is what would earn her wings after death. What if she had a limited type of orbing (both herself and TK) where the orbs don't actually disappear, but are seen moving from one place to another before reconstituting? That would end up forcing a limit on how much she can not only develop the power, but use it at all without risking unnecessary exposure. And healing, I would agree. It should only be doable when she has a genuine love for the person she's trying to heal combined with a sense of urgency that their life is in jeopardy. It would have to be awakened initially with something romantic, meaning Henry, but afterwards familial love could work as well so she could also heal the sisters and/or Leo from mortal danger if they've bonded to that level. (And no, that doesn't mean I'd leave Cole to die after being stabbed by the Source as Shane — Leo, the actual whitelighter, could just part-heal him to get him out of mortal danger while he goes underground and gets the rest taken care of.) Anything else is unnecessary for Paige to have while alive. ESPECIALLY sensing. That's a charges thing. She could easily still look after more innocents through her social work and that would be a good step towards justifying her whitelighter destiny after death anyway. |
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Post by adzpower on Dec 21, 2015 13:05:17 GMT -5
Giving her healing made sense though especially once she became a full time whitelighter. She needed it for the job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:19:35 GMT -5
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