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Post by turner on Feb 9, 2016 14:29:52 GMT -5
Contrariwise, I'm sure that not getting the dreamed result was a backfire because he used magic for personal gain anh the Avatar warned him it was a huge mistake
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Post by sol on Feb 10, 2016 4:50:35 GMT -5
A big backfire of the spell? Maybe
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2016 20:00:37 GMT -5
Contrariwise, I'm sure that not getting the dreamed result was a backfire because he used magic for personal gain anh the Avatar warned him it was a huge mistake I've never thought of it that way before, but it really does make sense. Good post! |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 19, 2016 15:14:14 GMT -5
Contrariwise, I'm sure that not getting the dreamed result was a backfire because he used magic for personal gain anh the Avatar warned him it was a huge mistake I've never thought of it that way before, but it really does make sense. Good post! I thought Personal Gain only applied to witches? |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 21, 2016 9:48:26 GMT -5
But if I remember correctly, the Avatar warned him before. Just as he did later with Leo when he influenced the time. Result would have been the same: Maybe the Avatar powers are tied to emotions as well. Who knows?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 12:25:15 GMT -5
Of course, Kern dusted off this whole Avatar rubbish two years later. He just crossed off "Cole" and penciled in "Leo"  |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 21, 2016 15:16:17 GMT -5
I don't understand how Cole ended up in a cosmic void after his vanquish in that alternate reality thing in Centennial Charmed.
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 21, 2016 15:43:26 GMT -5
Actually, if I had to choose between the distasteful sweep under the carpet solution for writing out Cole's character and him signing off to the Avatars' agenda before inexplicably disappearing from the sisters' radar then I would prefer the latter to happen. At least then something meaningful could be gained from this regurgitated mess that S5 churned out besides character assassinations. It could arguably provide a step forward for Cole who has finally managed to acquire some sense of purpose and identity without being tugged at by the contentiously divisive natures of good and evil.
This all leads back to a certain question he asked Phoebe, "I can't be good, I won't be evil. What do you want from me?" The Avatars might have been the ideal solution to his existential crisis. They're not bound to the same ideological and moral constraints of good and evil. They represent power and a desire to change the world. It could play into Cole's cultivated yearning for purpose and authority without having him go off the deep end become of some demonic power, especially since it's a collective effort and not just one individual holding all of the cards.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2016 6:15:06 GMT -5
Cole'ld not be suited to turn in an Avatar
Cole is a very independent person, in fact,he is part of the Thorn Brotherhood but he doesn't live and work with them, agrees to work for the Triad, but doesn't hesitate to attack and eliminate them, he has a vision of the world that cannot suit to the collective group of th Avatars
A for the void between life and death ... when he is vanquished in the alternate reality Cole is again himself, Cole / Belthazor, so it'ld be because of his human half he was trapped in that strange dimension, really strange given that Drake is able to see him and to talk with him
The Seven Year Witch
Drake: Thanks. So did you. I couldn’t have tasted life unless you set me up with that sorcerer. I just wish I could save you, too.
Cole: I’ve come to terms with my fate, especially now that I know it won’t be Phoebe’s, too.
Drake: So that was a pretty bold move sending in those thorn demons.
Cole: Well, I had to risk everything for this one
To be trapped, he owns great movement skills,he meets Drake,he gives him the right contacts, organizes the demons..una very intriguing dimension
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 22, 2016 16:48:59 GMT -5
Cole also didn't trust anyone according to Tarkin. He was already cooperating with the shadow demon in his campaign against the Charmed Ones without any serious issue. This was before he fell under the sway of Phoebe. After meeting and interacting with her for so long, he's certainly not the same type of person as before. He didn't want to revert back to evil, even while he was being coldly shut out by the sisters. He wasn't at all against working with Darryl and the police department to solve crimes. If it gives his life meaning then I don't believe he's against working with others. You never know . He might have even grown appreciative of the Avaters and their willingness to share in their collective power with him. Avatar Alpha showed more concern for his well-being than Phoebe did in his final days. You could argue that it held a self-serving agenda, but the Avatars don't usually abandon each other.
I actually wish he had been given the chance to leave like he wanted to at the beginning of Season 5. If the Avatars approached him at that moment then he could have found some new meaning to his life without obsessively going after Phoebe all of the time.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 23, 2016 16:41:56 GMT -5
I wish the writers would've let Cole choose his own path instead of tearing him in every direction.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 24, 2016 20:25:22 GMT -5
I wish the writers would've let Cole choose his own path instead of tearing him in every direction. And I wish that he was always a pure demon who just used Phoebe to try to get her powers. And rather than using Phoebe, he used Prue since she was the most powerful. |
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Post by sol on Feb 25, 2016 12:15:18 GMT -5
Also in this case Cole'ld have chosen Phoebe
Young and full of enthusiasm, ready to fall in love and fall in love with an older man, "a man on the side of good," as Phoebe tells Prue
But Prue distrusts a district attorney, he might suspect them, she'ld never fall for his charm, she'ld be careful
Cole is aware of it, he is a seasoned man, in fact he courts Phoebe and tries to kill Prue thanks to the empathy
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 25, 2016 13:48:17 GMT -5
I wish the writers would've let Cole choose his own path instead of tearing him in every direction. And I wish that he was always a pure demon who just used Phoebe to try to get her powers. And rather than using Phoebe, he used Prue since she was the most powerful. Well Phoebe was the only one so far that never was in a relationship up to that point. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2016 19:44:41 GMT -5
And I wish that he was always a pure demon who just used Phoebe to try to get her powers. And rather than using Phoebe, he used Prue since she was the most powerful. Well Phoebe was the only one so far that never was in a relationship up to that point. And if I had my way, she would've been the only one who never had a relationship - she was such a nicer person when she wasn't in lust. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2016 19:47:12 GMT -5
Also in this case Cole'ld have chosen Phoebe Young and full of enthusiasm, ready to fall in love and fall in love with an older man, "a man on the side of good," as Phoebe tells Prue But Prue distrusts a district attorney, he might suspect them, she'ld never fall for his charm, she'ld be careful Cole is aware of it, he is a seasoned man, in fact he courts Phoebe and tries to kill Prue thanks to the empathy I truly don't think so. He would've wanted the challenge that would've given him the bigger payoff. The only reason he went after Phoebe is he wanted an entree into the family - not to choose one to kill and take over her power - that's why Phoebe's vulnerability was attractive. Were he a pure demon, he wouldn't have felt that way at all. |
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Post by sol on Mar 1, 2016 11:04:23 GMT -5
Are we sure?
Ales was a darjklighter but he was capable of love
Drake was a pure demon but he was capable of love
And Znkou was strangely fascinated by the life of the sisters
I believe that demons are struggling to understand human behavior but some of them however are capable of feeling
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 16, 2016 3:58:15 GMT -5
Are we sure? Ales was a darjklighter but he was capable of love Drake was a pure demon but he was capable of love And Znkou was strangely fascinated by the life of the sisters I believe that demons are struggling to understand human behavior but some of them however are capable of feeling They were all capable of lust. |
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Post by Nimue on Mar 16, 2016 7:22:15 GMT -5
Are we sure? Ales was a darjklighter but he was capable of love Drake was a pure demon but he was capable of love And Znkou was strangely fascinated by the life of the sisters I believe that demons are struggling to understand human behavior but some of them however are capable of feeling They were all capable of lust. |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 16, 2016 11:17:07 GMT -5
I agree,there were different varieties of demons, some really a little further than mindless monster, others more complex
Zankou was a smart demon and he was able to understand the sisters's emotions and reasoning
Alex was in love with Daisy, a love so strong that generate hatred and craving for control and this happens, unfortunately,to many men also
Drake was capable of love and he was a demon able to live a not demonic life
Cole loved Phoebe, a true love, this doesn't mean he wished to turn good for her but he honestly dreamed a "neutral" life and a family with her
The Source was consumed by his possessiveness for power and the passion for power is a feeling that humans and demons share
The Triad was able to raise Chisty and to grow and turn to pure evil a human kid they must be able to understand her,to possess a high degree of intelligence but also of emotions
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