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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 16, 2016 14:00:34 GMT -5
And season 2 Cupid said demons are capable of love like Drazi was with a human woman whom he turned her attentions of, of.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 16, 2016 22:24:12 GMT -5
Cole loved Phoebe, a true love, this doesn't mean he wished to turn good for her but he honestly dreamed a "neutral" life and a family with her Well you can say that Cole was Neutral but not a True Neutral he was more of a Evil Neutral because of being a mercenary |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 17, 2016 12:17:50 GMT -5
I was not clear, I mean I think right not separate Cole from Belthazor
I don't believe that Cole'ld fully adapt to rules and ways of relating of a human society, but he'ld find a way of living, if he stayed with Phoebe
I never believed in Cole dreaming of turning in a good guy, why would he want it? but he'ld accept to live away from his demonic world next to Phoebe, that's what I mean by neutral
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 17, 2016 15:34:22 GMT -5
I was not clear, I mean I think right not separate Cole from Belthazor I don't believe that Cole'ld fully adapt to rules and ways of relating of a human society, but he'ld find a way of living, if he stayed with Phoebe I never believed in Cole dreaming of turning in a good guy, why would he want it? but he'ld accept to live away from his demonic world next to Phoebe, that's what I mean by neutral So you want Cole to be a true neutral being I'm guessing right? |
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Post by sol on Mar 17, 2016 15:50:05 GMT -5
I agree,there were different varieties of demons, some really a little further than mindless monster, others more complex Zankou was a smart demon and he was able to understand the sisters's emotions and reasoning Alex was in love with Daisy, a love so strong that generate hatred and craving for control and this happens, unfortunately,to many men also Drake was capable of love and he was a demon able to live a not demonic life Cole loved Phoebe, a true love, this doesn't mean he wished to turn good for her but he honestly dreamed a "neutral" life and a family with her The Source was consumed by his possessiveness for power and the passion for power is a feeling that humans and demons share The Triad was able to raise Chisty and to grow and turn to pure evil a human kid they must be able to understand her,to possess a high degree of intelligence but also of emotions Don't forget Hanna, jealous of Prue |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 18, 2016 4:45:20 GMT -5
I was not clear, I mean I think right not separate Cole from Belthazor I don't believe that Cole'ld fully adapt to rules and ways of relating of a human society, but he'ld find a way of living, if he stayed with Phoebe I never believed in Cole dreaming of turning in a good guy, why would he want it? but he'ld accept to live away from his demonic world next to Phoebe, that's what I mean by neutral So you want Cole to be a true neutral being I'm guessing right? In a way, I mean that he is able to live without doing evil things if he wants, but he'll never be a selfless person or really will accept the rules of human life After all, he lived for 100 years experiencing the freedom to do what he wanted as a demon can do, the dream of every person |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 18, 2016 14:26:40 GMT -5
So you want Cole to be a true neutral being I'm guessing right? In a way, I mean that he is able to live without doing evil things if he wants, but he'll never be a selfless person or really will accept the rules of human life After all, he lived for 100 years experiencing the freedom to do what he wanted as a demon can do, the dream of every person Well we really don't know a whole lot of Cole's past. It's possible he could've lived in the human world off and on all his life. |
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Post by sol on Mar 20, 2016 17:05:46 GMT -5
He lived in the human world and estimeed the beatiful things as nice cars, fashion outfit, elegant flat
This doesn't mean he fully understoond this world, like those tourists who for years have gone to Sharm el-Sheikh loving its beauty without understanding anything of Egyptian society
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 23, 2016 15:13:52 GMT -5
He lived in the human world and estimeed the beatiful things as nice cars, fashion outfit, elegant flat This doesn't mean he fully understoond this world, like those tourists who for years have gone to Sharm el-Sheikh loving its beauty without understanding anything of Egyptian society Nobody understands the world! |
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Post by ljones on Mar 24, 2016 23:49:07 GMT -5
Thank God he wasn't. If there is one kind of character that bores me senseless, it is a character that is one-dimensional. It's a sign of bad writing to me. "CHARMED" was filled with enough bad writing. I would have stopped watching the show back in Season 3 if he had been portrayed as you wanted him to be.
No kidding.
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Post by sol on Mar 31, 2016 4:09:36 GMT -5
He lived in the human world and estimeed the beatiful things as nice cars, fashion outfit, elegant flat This doesn't mean he fully understoond this world, like those tourists who for years have gone to Sharm el-Sheikh loving its beauty without understanding anything of Egyptian society Nobody understands the world! It's sadly right! |
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 11, 2016 1:23:42 GMT -5
I'm on the fence when it comes to Centennial Charmed. While I absolutely hate what they did to Cole throughout season 5, there is a story there...just not as Kern saw it.
It's the 100th episode, something that should be big and hark back to various tidbits throughout the series. If it was me, and I was simply re-writing this one episode, I'd ditch the Avatars and have Cole change the world via a genie as a callback to season 2. His wish would be to "be with Phoebe as he was when he was Belthazor." Throughout the episode, the Charmed Ones would be going after a demon, with Cole fighting alongside of them. He'd show that he IS good, regardless of his actions in the previous episodes, and would die protecting Phoebe from a demon of the past, lets say Kurzon. And with his death, the world would return to the way it normally was. The episode would end with Phoebe going to the penthouse, having a sinking feeling, and upon seeing it empty, would say "Goodbye Cole," somehow knowing that he was gone for good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 12:04:37 GMT -5
This is very good, far better than what Kern gave us. At least here, Cole goes out a hero.
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Post by ljones on Aug 17, 2016 18:58:58 GMT -5
I would prefer this scenario, along with the Charmed Ones realizing that he had been possessed by the Source back in late Season Four.
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Post by cyma on Aug 26, 2016 11:23:19 GMT -5
I'm on the fence when it comes to Centennial Charmed. While I absolutely hate what they did to Cole throughout season 5, there is a story there...just not as Kern saw it. It's the 100th episode, something that should be big and hark back to various tidbits throughout the series. If it was me, and I was simply re-writing this one episode, I'd ditch the Avatars and have Cole change the world via a genie as a callback to season 2. His wish would be to "be with Phoebe as he was when he was Belthazor." Throughout the episode, the Charmed Ones would be going after a demon, with Cole fighting alongside of them. He'd show that he IS good, regardless of his actions in the previous episodes, and would die protecting Phoebe from a demon of the past, lets say Kurzon. And with his death, the world would return to the way it normally was. The episode would end with Phoebe going to the penthouse, having a sinking feeling, and upon seeing it empty, would say "Goodbye Cole," somehow knowing that he was gone for good. I like this. I always felt like there's a story worth two episodes in Centennial Charmed. Instead of going back in time to have Paige killed, I would prefer Cole himself realize his life was best when he had been Belthazor fighting alongside Phoebe and her sisters. Being a human made him vulnerable to possession by the Source and his powers. Not to mention he felt sort of useless as a human with Phoebe being too over protective of him and he as quoted by him 'feeling like a potted plant.' So he goes back in time and stops himself from killing Jenna and kills Raynor instead. That was the first time Phoebe lost faith in him when he killed their innocent. Cole also makes sure not to take power stripping potion. Not now or ever. Knowing it would make him vulnerable to Source possession. But if being Source was indeed his destiny, he figures that maybe he wouldn't be hated by Phoebe and she would try to save him rather than abandon him in the Wasteland after the vanquish. Of course consequences are far different than he imagined. Prue is still alive. They never meet Paige. The Source is also not dead. The birthday celebration with bunch of demon cameos and the Seer in the original episode? As much as I love the Seer, I really would've preferred the Halliwells giving Cole that surprise celebration. Phoebe could give the whole speech about how far he has come along being good ending with revealing she's pregnant. So none of that "once she conceives your heir I'll take it from there." The Seer could've been much useful in a way that she realizes reality has been changed and informs the still alive Source about it. They could capture and keep Cole captive until the changes to the new timeline become permanent. And the Source could read Cole's mind on how things happened in this other reality so he could know how to permanently end the Charmed Ones. The Source could orchestrate an 'All Hell Breaks Loose' type exposure which never happened after Cole changed the past and Shax was vanquished easily with Cole's help the first time he showed up. Source decides to kidnap Paige and have her killed in the Underworld so that if time does reverse, there's no one to replace a dead sister. But killing Paige would prove difficult since her alternate self would have taken over her body. Instead of Cole dying to protect Phoebe by jumping in front of a fireball or something, I would prefer Cole asking Paige to kill him to set things right. She was always judgemental about his past and tried to kill him often so it's fitting she is asked to do this when she doesn't want to this time. While the innocents in this reality would be alive and well as the original, Prue wouldn't be. And this reality also allowed her to see how things would have turned out between Cole and Phoebe had they not shunned him away and declared he will always be evil. So a lesson learning moment for Paige. But magic has consequences and unfortunately, this attempt of Cole would too and would need to be reversed, no matter how much both Paige and Cole would want otherwise. But at least Cole would die a happy man being given one moment of happiness with this reality rather than giving a worst reality where Phoebe despised him more than the original Phoebe. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 26, 2016 13:30:35 GMT -5
I like this idea. Would've been a good alternate episode.
Never understood why Cole made an alternate reality starting from when after that Paige died and not a year earlier of course.
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Post by cyma on Aug 26, 2016 15:21:23 GMT -5
I like this idea. Would've been a good alternate episode. Never understood why Cole made an alternate reality starting from when after that Paige died and not a year earlier of course. According to the episode transcript: Phoebe and him weren't exactly at their best before Paige. Before Paige was introduced, Cole had killed Jenna which resulted in Phoebe losing faith in him. And then the Banshee incident happens followed by All Hell Breaks Loose where Cole was in the Underworld. Then later on he's dodging bounty hunters for betraying the Source by saving Phoebe who had made a pact to have time reversed so that Piper can come back to life. How is all this he and Phoebe being at their best? Being at their best was before Jenna was killed and before he ran into the Brotherhood. The second part of them being their best was actually after Paige was introduced, but before Phoebe had encountered the wife of a witch Cole had killed in the past. The only in-universe explanation I've got is the powers he absorbed in the Wasteland are affecting his mind more than he seems to admit it and add Avatar powers and he created a scenario of Paige poisoning Phoebe against him since the very beginning. While Paige did many times point out to Phoebe about the whole Cole might be a demon again thing and acting suspicious, but that was the Source who had completely taken over Cole at that time. Cole actually ended up saving Paige's life while the Source infected her with a power broker to kill her. Cole should be glad because if Paige didn't get suspicious, he would still be the Source of all Evil. Perhaps the Cole and Source merging into one has more side effects? Plus Cole also killed that worm thingy which devours vanquished demon essence in Wasteland. Maybe he got some of the undigested Source essence back in him and it's making him think Paige has been enemy number one all along? |
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 26, 2016 22:26:57 GMT -5
I think the whole "better without Paige" was just shoddy writing, not a testament to Cole's character. They needed a reason to make it so the sisters vanquished Cole instead of some random demon doing it, and that's how Kern came up with it. I mean, think about it, if Paige sneezed at that specific time and that served as the reason that she passed over to the new world, how many other people were teleporting at that specific time and awoke in a strange world themselves? Shoddy writing, is all.
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Post by ljones on Sept 13, 2016 14:27:05 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks to Raynor, who used telepathic manipulation on him.
Why on earth did Paige decide to kill Cole at the beginning of this episode, when he had decided to leave Phoebe alone? What was she thinking?
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Post by unakite on Sept 13, 2016 14:40:22 GMT -5
Paige has always and only saw the demon in Cole, she never trusted him
Moreover, in quick succession Paige had seen him: to try for strangling Phoebe under the effect of the siren, to try for forcing Piper to kill her to save Phoebe by Jeric
Not to mention his trying to take over the Nexus after taking their house and kidnapping Phoebe
It is not strange that Paige was definitely tired of him
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