Charmed In the Future

[Stormythomas]

shantad said:

Also, whay wasn't there a pic of Paige and Henry on the wall, or Pheebs and Coop. They only show a pic of Dad,Victor, and Mom, Patty, and Piper and Leo. Why spend extra money to get younger pic's of the girl. Or get another actress to play the older version of the girl. There wasn't pic's of Paige's children or Pheeb's two girls.

It was Piper's house. The pictures were of her mom and dad, her husband, her children. Why would her daughter not be there if she existed? She has pictures of her two sons but not her daughter? What sort of parents would exclude one child from the photos on the wall while showing several of the other two? If Piper had a daughter she would be there. Phoebe's children and Paige's children and husbands aren't the same as Piper's own daughter.

There are far more reasons why Piper would be sending Phoebe's daughter off to school one day than there are why Piper's own daughter would not be included in the photos while Chris and Wyatt were. Or why Piper doesn't bother mentioning her. Or why she isn't shown in the scene with Chris and Wyatt in the future. There really is nothing to indicate she is Piper's daughter other than a first glance assumption that doesn't hold up to anything else seen or mentioned.

Maybe it wasn't mentioned because it was to be assumed. Why was she not in the picture with Wyatt and Chris? Some things where just easier for the writers. A strange girl the viewers knew nothing about would have spoiled the last moment. The writers could have chosen not to have her picture to please the viewers. It might not be logical in real life but it was something they did for the viewers. It's not logical for Piper not to have a picture of Prue...but there's a reason for that too.

There's things that arent' logical in real life that the writers do in order to set the mood. They wanted to set the last scene as a tribute to all the characters we had grown to love...having a stranger would have ruined that.


And when it comes to her being Phoebe's daughter there is no implication of that either.

[Lisa M]

I think the biggest thing that makes me think she isn't Piper's daughter is because in talking about her life, Piper never mentioned having another kid. I think that would be a pretty important thing to mention. Charmed has been anything but subtle. If they wanted her for sure to be Piper's daughter, they would have had Piper mention having a daughter.
And I'm leaving this discussion because it will only go around and around and never get resolved and it's giving me a headache. So debate to your heart's content.

[Stormythomas]

dana1969 said:

I think the biggest thing that makes me think she isn't Piper's daughter is because in talking about her life, Piper never mentioned having another kid. I think that would be a pretty important thing to mention. Charmed has been anything but subtle. If they wanted her for sure to be Piper's daughter, they would have had Piper mention having a daughter.

True, but I don't see any implication that's she's Phoebe's daughter either. There was nothing said about the girl...that why I thought it was to be assumed. How the writers set up the scene just screams (well to me anyways) Pipers daughter.

[leosgirl]

piper says that paige could not just pass on what she learned to her children or to phoebe's or her's and they show wyatt chris and what i think is melinda while she says that

[starr]

charmedfanp said:

piper says that paige could not just pass on what she learned to her children or to phoebe's or her's and they show wyatt chris and what i think is melinda while she says that

I agree, it shows Wyatt , Chris and the little girl, just at that moment so I think it is to be assumed it is Piper's daughter even if she doesn't specifically say she had a daughter. That could have been an editing error and was mistakenly left out, we don't know. Pictures on the wall or no pics. I still say the have pics of Wyatt and Chris because we know what they look like as little ones and grownup. So they didn't show a pic of the little girl, it doesn't mean it is not Piper's daughter.

[hannahpotter]

piper has a daughter with powers (look at season 2 )

[ShantaD]

hannahpotter said:

piper has a daughter with powers (look at season 2 )

That future no longer exists. Prue was alive in that future and Phoebe was burned at the stake. That was one of the many futures we've seen that won't come to be.

[starr]

shantad said:

hannahpotter said:

piper has a daughter with powers (look at season 2 )

That future no longer exists. Prue was alive in that future and Phoebe was burned at the stake. That was one of the many futures we've seen that won't come to be.

It doesn't mean that certain things from that future didn't come true.

[ShantaD]

It doesn't mean that certain things from that future didn't come true.

But you can't use that future of proof of anything now that Prue is dead. We've also seen a future Phoebe who never married Cole and a future where Piper dies when Chris is fourteen but now she lives into her eighties.

[starr]

shantad said:

It doesn't mean that certain things from that future didn't come true.

But you can't use that future of proof of anything now that Prue is dead. We've also seen a future Phoebe who never married Cole and a future where Piper dies when Chris is fourteen but now she lives into her eighties.

I understand it can not be used to prove it is Piper's daughter, I am just saying it doesn't prove otherwise. We have no 100 % proof either way.

[~Empath~]

dana1969 said:

I think the biggest thing that makes me think she isn't Piper's daughter is because in talking about her life, Piper never mentioned having another kid. I think that would be a pretty important thing to mention. Charmed has been anything but subtle. If they wanted her for sure to be Piper's daughter, they would have had Piper mention having a daughter.
And I'm leaving this discussion because it will only go around and around and never get resolved and it's giving me a headache. So debate to your heart's content.

Thank you, that's why I haven't posted in the 8x22 "Forever Charmed" Thread cause I go there and I see all this.

Honestly, I agree with everyone who says that Piper didn't not have a daughter. Come on...Let's really think about it. When has Charmed ever been not explicit in explaining things.

EXAMPLE:

8x12"Payback's A Witch": Billie: Paige Can Orb.
(May I add...Brad Kern wrote this episode)

We all know this but yet they give stupid explanations like that. If you guys want me too, I could look up more as there are plenty more out there.

It just goes to show you that if they wanted Piper to have three children, they would have said it. EXPLICITLY as they stated with the other sisters. Heck, Wyatt is "twice-blessed" anyways so he kind counts as two, he's so powerful anyways without a whole power of three trip to go along with it.

And at the end. The writers can be a little ditzy at times, but I don't think they would be that dumb to not put a picture of Piper's three children, if she had three children, on the wall at the end. It just doesn't make since. Everyone wants the fairytale ending but they don't see the clues right in front of them.

I would just say if it hasn't been said, then Piper doesn't have three children. It wasn't shown in pictures, everyone is trying to say Phoebe's child is now Piper's child but is still Phoebe's child which I think is hilarious. The same actress (little girl) who played Phoebe's child in previous episodes cannot be Piper's. It's been stated over and over again that it's Phoebe's.

I know that this has probably been said before, but even in Phoebe's Vision, Phoebe's daughter was interacting with Wyatt and Chris, so it would be safe to assume or rather flat out say that when they were in the kitchen at the end with Piper, that Phoebe's daughter was at the manor with her cousins Wyatt and Chris.

Brad Kern knows that there would be a chance with the Charmed Sons, so he wouldn't screw up something that he know he could be apart of (even though I don't want him on the project at all). He's not THAT stupid.

In the end, he knew he couldn't give Piper three children because of the Spin-Off possibility. He failed with Billie, so he latched on to the Wyatt and Chris Idea.

And why would they not write in the "sister" in the scene where Wyatt and Chris are making a potion to battle demons? It just doesn't make sense. If they had a sister, there would have been some mention of her, but there wasn't.

I am so sorry for those who want to latch on to the idea of the "fairytale" ending with all of them having three children, but it's just not possible at this point. There is too much concrete evidence against it. As for evidence supporting Piper's Thrid Child, there's only a theory or a speculation

So I choose to go with the facts. Piper has two children. Period.

But unless there is a Spin-Off, I guess we will never know.

~Empath~

[Xenith]

Payback's A Witch

Rohtul: How-- but you can't orb! (After "Billie" orbed energy balls back at his minions, then grabbed his ankles and orbed them from Magic School to the manor)

Billie (who is paige): No. But paige can. [...]

Except the point was NOT to tell the audience that Paige can orb, it was to tell the demon setting up the reveal of the Paige-Billie swap that everyone who saw the Little Box of Horrors already knew had happened, because we aren't that stupid (even though we were actually watching that show) that we wouldn't recognize something so obvious, especially since it was just done at the end of the last season, but I digress...

[Stormythomas]

empathic said:

dana1969 said:

I think the biggest thing that makes me think she isn't Piper's daughter is because in talking about her life, Piper never mentioned having another kid. I think that would be a pretty important thing to mention. Charmed has been anything but subtle. If they wanted her for sure to be Piper's daughter, they would have had Piper mention having a daughter.
And I'm leaving this discussion because it will only go around and around and never get resolved and it's giving me a headache. So debate to your heart's content.

Thank you, that's why I haven't posted in the 8x22 "Forever Charmed" Thread cause I go there and I see all this.

Honestly, I agree with everyone who says that Piper didn't not have a daughter. Come on...Let's really think about it. When has Charmed ever been not explicit in explaining things.

EXAMPLE:

8x12"Payback's A Witch": Billie: Paige Can Orb.
(May I add...Brad Kern wrote this episode)

We all know this but yet they give stupid explanations like that. If you guys want me too, I could look up more as there are plenty more out there.

It just goes to show you that if they wanted Piper to have three children, they would have said it. EXPLICITLY as they stated with the other sisters. Heck, Wyatt is "twice-blessed" anyways so he kind counts as two, he's so powerful anyways without a whole power of three trip to go along with it.

And at the end. The writers can be a little ditzy at times, but I don't think they would be that dumb to not put a picture of Piper's three children, if she had three children, on the wall at the end. It just doesn't make since. Everyone wants the fairytale ending but they don't see the clues right in front of them.

I would just say if it hasn't been said, then Piper doesn't have three children. It wasn't shown in pictures, everyone is trying to say Phoebe's child is now Piper's child but is still Phoebe's child which I think is hilarious. The same actress (little girl) who played Phoebe's child in previous episodes cannot be Piper's. It's been stated over and over again that it's Phoebe's.

I know that this has probably been said before, but even in Phoebe's Vision, Phoebe's daughter was interacting with Wyatt and Chris, so it would be safe to assume or rather flat out say that when they were in the kitchen at the end with Piper, that Phoebe's daughter was at the manor with her cousins Wyatt and Chris.

Brad Kern knows that there would be a chance with the Charmed Sons, so he wouldn't screw up something that he know he could be apart of (even though I don't want him on the project at all). He's not THAT stupid.

In the end, he knew he couldn't give Piper three children because of the Spin-Off possibility. He failed with Billie, so he latched on to the Wyatt and Chris Idea.

And why would they not write in the "sister" in the scene where Wyatt and Chris are making a potion to battle demons? It just doesn't make sense. If they had a sister, there would have been some mention of her, but there wasn't.

I am so sorry for those who want to latch on to the idea of the "fairytale" ending with all of them having three children, but it's just not possible at this point. There is too much concrete evidence against it. As for evidence supporting Piper's Thrid Child, there's only a theory or a speculation

So I choose to go with the facts. Piper has two children. Period.

But unless there is a Spin-Off, I guess we will never know.

~Empath~

Very good points. But there is no prove that it was Phoebe's daughter either...that theory is specualtion also. No one really knows who the girl was, it was never said. In truth she can be either. I personally believe she is Pipers daughter because it would have been unsmart for the writers to have her in the scene with Wyatt and Chris. Why would they have her there if they just finished showing her the scene before? Especially after showing phoebe's childs, paige's child....then show Piper's two boys and there cousin...she would be out of place. But whatever.......both are thoeries and can't really be proven because it was never said on the show. I hate the writers for causing so much confusion

[~Empath~]

xenith said:

Payback's A Witch

Rohtul: How-- but you can't orb! (After "Billie" orbed energy balls back at his minions, then grabbed his ankles and orbed them from Magic School to the manor)

Billie (who is paige): No. But paige can. [...]

Except the point was NOT to tell the audience that Paige can orb, it was to tell the demon setting up the reveal of the Paige-Billie swap that everyone who saw the Little Box of Horrors already knew had happened, because we aren't that stupid (even though we were actually watching that show) that we wouldn't recognize something so obvious, especially since it was just done at the end of the last season, but I digress...

I know that, I was just saying that people should have caught on to the switch before, and there is a better way of explaning that whole scene without being so obvious and insulting to the way things went down.

Very good points. But there is no prove that it was Phoebe's daughter either...that theory is specualtion also. No one really knows who the girl was, it was never said. In truth she can be either. I personally believe she is Pipers daughter because it would have been unsmart for the writers to have her in the scene with Wyatt and Chris. Why would they have her there if they just finished showing her the scene before? Especially after showing phoebe's childs, paige's child....then show Piper's two boys and there cousin...she would be out of place. But whatever.......both are thoeries and can't really be proven because it was never said on the show. I hate the writers for causing so much confusion

What do you mean it isn't proved! The proof is right there. The girl is the same actress that played Phoebe's daughter in "Witchness Protection" and "Hulkus Pocus". THE SAME GIRL, how could the proof not be there? We all saw THE SAME GIRL from the visions Phoebe has had, everyone has admitted to that. Why are we even having this discussion when it's right there for us to see.

People want the fairytale ending, so they insist on saying that Piper had three children, but yet there was no explanation, no pictures, nothing was said. That should be proof enough. Piper has two children WYATT MATTHEW HALLIWELL and CHRIS HALLIWELL. That's It. Period.

Now everyone is saying that Phoebe's Daughter is Piper's Daughter. Wow, wishful thinking can be a doozy can't it.

I don't know, I think I might be getting to worked up. All I know is that I saw what I saw and I saw that Piper DOES NOT have three children. Once again, I don't think even Brad Kern is that stupid to mess up an opportunity to mess up a spin-off in which he would have some input into (hence more $$$ for him). I don't think he has alot of brains but I at least have to give him that.

But once again, maybe we should just stop, we have to agree to disagree because I've only posted on here twice and I can see that this discussion is going nowhere, nowhere at all...

Just a Circle, More Circles.

~Empath~

[Stormythomas]

breath...empath....breath.

Didn't mean to upset anyone

I'm just wondering something (that could actually change my mind) who plays Phoebe's older daughter? I'm just wondering why the writers didn't use the same girl from Witchness Protection as Phoebe's daughter well they showed her pregnant. If the 'mystery girl' was meant to be Phoebe's daughter why not use the same actress for both scenes?

(BTW as far as I knew they might have use the same actress I really don't know anything about the casting...so correct me if they did)

[~Empath~]

grlwthnocolgene said:

breath...empath....breath.

Didn't mean to upset anyone

I just got a little worked up, no big deal, I'm fine now

[rebeccamatthews]

shantad said:

It was Piper's house. The pictures were of her mom and dad, her husband, her children. Why would her daughter not be there if she existed? She has pictures of her two sons but not her daughter? What sort of parents would exclude one child from the photos on the wall while showing several of the other two? If Piper had a daughter she would be there. Phoebe's children and Paige's children and husbands aren't the same as Piper's own daughter.

There are far more reasons why Piper would be sending Phoebe's daughter off to school one day than there are why Piper's own daughter would not be included in the photos while Chris and Wyatt were. Or why Piper doesn't bother mentioning her. Or why she isn't shown in the scene with Chris and Wyatt in the future. There really is nothing to indicate she is Piper's daughter other than a first glance assumption that doesn't hold up to anything else seen or mentioned.

the children Paige and Pheebs has are her neices and nephew. I would think that she would be there. There wasn't a pic of Paige and her husband, and Pheebs and hers. Piper was always close to her sisters. So I would assume that she would have pics of them and the hubbys on the wall.

[ShantaD]

There wasn't a pic of Paige and her husband, and Pheebs and hers. Piper was always close to her sisters. So I would assume that she would have pics of them and the hubbys on the wall.

Well I didn't see any. But what has this got to do with there not being a picture of any daughter of Piper's? The point is that there are several pictures of Wyatt and Chris on the wall and not even one of a girl. One child would not be left out like that. What pictures Piper does or does not have of her sisters 's husbands and children have nothing to do with it.

[rebeccamatthews]

In my house there is one pic of me and my older brother when we were younger. There is also one of my younger brother from like grade 3. Just becasue Piper doesn't have pic of that one child up, doesn't mean that she isn't her's.

[AjentAnjel :)]

i personally think its pipers daughters, they all had 3 children. and the pictures on the wall were of all the characters in the show that we loved. not the people we didnt yet know. Why would piper give someone elses kid lunch for school, why would just one of their kids be there with wyatt and chris. they didnt show wyatt or chris with pheobe or paiges kids. Yes they didnt SPELL it out for us, but thats probabaly because they want us to figure it out on our own, and I think we would all be able TO figure it out and not fight over it.