Charmed In the Future

[Lisa M]

So, um, Phoebe ends up marrying a Cupid. I think of Cupid's as being along the lines of leprechauns and fairies, so I naturally hate the idea of them on a supernatural show.
So, what do you think Phoebe's kids will be like? Not that I care, because I hated Cupid and the whole story with them, but I am really sick of this topic that will never ever be resolved unless there is a spin off so I'm trying to change the subject.

[~Empath~]

dana1969 said:

So, um, Phoebe ends up marrying a Cupid. I think of Cupid's as being along the lines of leprechauns and fairies, so I naturally hate the idea of them on a supernatural show.
So, what do you think Phoebe's kids will be like? Not that I care, because I hated Cupid and the whole story with them, but I am really sick of this topic that will never ever be resolved unless there is a spin off so I'm trying to change the subject.

Great...Change of subject!

I think Phoebe's kids will be Empaths (hence being Phoebe's 'lost' power and Cupid is like "LOVE", ugh) I think they are also going to be spoiled little brats who wine to their mother and their mother is going to see how she was a little child.

Hopefully they won't grow up and be selfish little hags, using their powers to score with a guy and all that other stuff...

[Assassin Witch]

Well, with Phoebe as their mother....*cough*

I'm with you, Lisa. Cupids are one of those magical creatures that annoy me. The first Cupid was good, but Coop annoys me. And the Elders annoy me even more for putting them together.

[starr]

empathic said:

xenith said:

Payback's A Witch


Except the point was NOT to tell the audience that Paige can orb, it was to tell the demon setting up the reveal of the Paige-Billie swap that everyone who saw the Little Box of Horrors already knew had happened, because we aren't that stupid (even though we were actually watching that show) that we wouldn't recognize something so obvious, especially since it was just done at the end of the last season, but I digress...

I know that, I was just saying that people should have caught on to the switch before, and there is a better way of explaning that whole scene without being so obvious and insulting to the way things went down.

Very good points. But there is no prove that it was Phoebe's daughter either...that theory is specualtion also. No one really knows who the girl was, it was never said. In truth she can be either. I personally believe she is Pipers daughter because it would have been unsmart for the writers to have her in the scene with Wyatt and Chris. Why would they have her there if they just finished showing her the scene before? Especially after showing phoebe's childs, paige's child....then show Piper's two boys and there cousin...she would be out of place. But whatever.......both are thoeries and can't really be proven because it was never said on the show. I hate the writers for causing so much confusion

What do you mean it isn't proved! The proof is right there. The girl is the same actress that played Phoebe's daughter in "Witchness Protection" and "Hulkus Pocus". THE SAME GIRL, how could the proof not be there? We all saw THE SAME GIRL from the visions Phoebe has had, everyone has admitted to that. Why are we even having this discussion when it's right there for us to see.

People want the fairytale ending, so they insist on saying that Piper had three children, but yet there was no explanation, no pictures, nothing was said. That should be proof enough. Piper has two children WYATT MATTHEW HALLIWELL and CHRIS HALLIWELL. That's It. Period.

Now everyone is saying that Phoebe's Daughter is Piper's Daughter. Wow, wishful thinking can be a doozy can't it.

I don't know, I think I might be getting to worked up. All I know is that I saw what I saw and I saw that Piper DOES NOT have three children. Once again, I don't think even Brad Kern is that stupid to mess up an opportunity to mess up a spin-off in which he would have some input into (hence more $$$ for him). I don't think he has alot of brains but I at least have to give him that.

But once again, maybe we should just stop, we have to agree to disagree because I've only posted on here twice and I can see that this discussion is going nowhere, nowhere at all...

Just a Circle, More Circles.

~Empath~

There is NOT one single thing that proves it either way. Even if theSAME little girl played Phoebe's daughter does NOT prove it is her daughter in the finale. I have seen other shows that the same actor has played 2 different people. I remember on the Cosby show the same actor played a boyfriend of the oldest sister, then years later ends up married to another sister on the SAME show. And it was NOT the same character. So you might say people insist on calling Phoebe's daughter Piper's but I say other people are insisting Piper's daughter is Phoebe's.

[Lisa M]

Hey, chill out. It's just a tv show.

[~Empath~]

dana1969 said:

Hey, chill out. It's just a tv show.

Thanks Lisa, I have to give you a blessing for that.

[spiritsas]

Yes, we have to remember it's just a show, and not a real family, however close the actors are in real life. So what we would put on the walls in our houses has little to do with what we saw for the finale. They showed the main and supporting cast members, but no one who had very minor roles. They didn't show SD for obvious monetary and contractual issues and some of these may apply to any of the child actors we saw. Plus, they only had so much time left in the episode and whose to say they showed every picture on the wall.

On another note, about the alleged Piper's daughter. Although there is little evidence one way or the other who she was to represent, unless it was the same actor who we see with Phoebe a few seconds earlier, then it's just an unknown. Also, I don't think that having a sister to Chris and Wyatt would, as so passionately noted in recent posts in this thread, mess up the Charmed Sons spinoff. Just having a sister doesn't ruin the story line. In fact, I think it adds another dimension to the whole scenario. If W&C are once again supposed to be out there demon fighting, then whose to say they don't get help from their cousins or sister ocassionally. TCOs weren't the only ones dealing with demons, just represented as the most active, for obvious reasons. A whole brood of the Warren line, with W&C as the oldest, could make for some interesting stories. Plus, if their children sometime help out or need to be helped out by W&C, then it gives the show a reason to have their Mothers, Paige and Phoebe, to make cameo appearances from time to time. I think we first need to see if the show can get off the ground and what are the basic story lines which will support it (above and beyond what supported Charmed). From there the story lines can expand with the writers imaginations. However, I suggest taking some of this energy about arguing over who was who in the last few seconds of Charmed and put it to better use helping to get a spinoff on the air. Personally, I think they should go the HBO direction. HBO would not only offer them a different and wider audience and have stories they couldn't do on broadcast TV, but HBO also has a great track record of staying out of the way of shows and letting the creativity flow uncensored and without worry about sponsor reactions. This may not be possible as Spelling owns the rights to Charmed, but why not try that avenue. It could add back in the "edginess" to the old show which many felt was lost when SD left the show.

[Lisa M]

Also, I don't think that having a sister to Chris and Wyatt would, as so passionately noted in recent posts in this thread, mess up the Charmed Sons spinoff. Just having a sister doesn't ruin the story line.

It would change the whole dynamic of the brothers though. The two brothers and no other siblings thing works with them. Adding another sibling would change their dynamic and it could be in a bad way. Sometimes trying to add additional characters can screw up something rather than make it better.
Examples:
Cousin Oliver on the Brady Bunch
Pam on the Cosby Show
Billie on Charmed

[Stormythomas]

Though I still believe that Piper has a daughter, I actually like the idea of only Wyatt and Chris. I think the reasons Lisa M stated are right. A spin-off with only them too just sounds more appealing.

[starr]

empathic said:

dana1969 said:

Hey, chill out. It's just a tv show.

Thanks Lisa, I have to give you a blessing for that.

Especially since you are the one that seemed to being getting so worked up and made it sound like people who believe it is Piper's daughter was not allowed or have a right to believe that way. I am chilled, I just didn't like the fact that any one person is saying someone else is wrong because we do NOT have any proof either way. I was simply expressing my thoughts on the matter just as everyone else!

[~Empath~]

starr said:

empathic said:

Thanks Lisa, I have to give you a blessing for that.

Especially since you are the one that seemed to being getting so worked up and made it sound like people who believe it is Piper's daughter was not allowed or have a right to believe that way. I am chilled, I just didn't like the fact that any one person is saying someone else is wrong because we do NOT have any proof either way. I was simply expressing my thoughts on the matter just as everyone else!

Well starr, I'm sorry you felt that way, but blowing up at me will not help. I am sorry that it came off like I was saying you are not allowed to give your opinion, of course you are, I was just stating my position, maybe a little too strongly. Sorry.

But I am calm and I would suggest you not blow up at me because it's not really worth it.

Sorry for the way things came off.

~Empath~

[starr]

No harm done.

[spiritsas]

It always strikes me oddly that a show, like Charmed, which has so many passionage viewers is not seen as a valuable asset to a network, monetary issues aside.
About my comments about Piper's daughter and the CharmedSons: The daughter, or sister, does not have to play a vital or major role. If we agree, and I know we don't, that she exists from the finale, it doesn't mean she's out there with her older brothers. Given the ages, if Chris were in his early twenties, she might still be younger than 20 and not ready to fight demons. She could appear in cameos and, if the audience likes her, then expand her role a bit. but not be in a staring role. That is exactly what happened with Leo. He started as the repair man and probably got such a favorable audience review, they upgraded his role to a magical creature. Now this may have been the concept all along, but you'd have to ask Kern or Constance Burge about that. Anyway, my point is that you simply don't ignore the possible sister, just down play the role until she is either accepted or rejected by the viewers. Her acceptance will depend on the ability of the actor and what type of lines/role she is given. I don't think it's up to us to decide, in advance, that we don't want her because it may be like another Billie role, forced upon upon us as a main supporting character. That's not what I'm saying. Remember, they had to ease in the role of Grams and Mom over a couple of seasons. In fact, in the first season, TCOs mom didn't even have a face early one.

So, let's not write the whole story and cast just yet. Let's let whoever is the imagination and producers behind the story have some flexibility in how and what they present or they can find themselves losing parts of their audience. Although Supernatural is doing OK (not great) with just the two brothers, it does add a more interesting facet to an episode when there's a love interest involved. Of course a sister is not that type of role, but having a strong female personality cameo, at first, would not detract as much as expand your audience. In my humble opinion.

[spiritsas]

PS that's "passionate" not passionage viewers.

[Lisa M]

The daughter, or sister, does not have to play a vital or major role. If we agree, and I know we don't, that she exists from the finale, it doesn't mean she's out there with her older brothers. Given the ages, if Chris were in his early twenties, she might still be younger than 20 and not ready to fight demons. She could appear in cameos and, if the audience likes her, then expand her role a bit. but not be in a staring role.

I'm completely against giving Chris and Wyatt a sister at all because it would change the entire dynamic between the brothers. In families that only have two kids, they tend to both fight a lot more and also be a lot closer to each other. If they had a younger sister, even if she wasn't on screen, they would not have that. It would change their entire dynamic. Instead of Wyatt being the oldest and Chris being the youngest, Chris' role would change to middle child and the sister would take the part of being the one that was protected.
Every fan fic I have seen that has included a younger sister for Wyatt and Chris has completely turned me off just because of how her existence changes their relationship with each other as well as Chris' role in the family. It's just a fact that dynamics change with three kids in the family as opposed to two. My entire interest in a spin off is a show with just these two brothers that were all each other had. Giving them a sister, even if she doesn't appear on screen, would completely turn me off. Besides, Charmed had the three siblings relationship--a spin off should be a bit different and just do the two. The dynamic between Drew and Wes as brothers Chris and Wyatt is good. To mess with that dynamic by adding another sibling would actually ruin it. Why mess with something that works.

Although Supernatural is doing OK (not great) with just the two brothers, it does add a more interesting facet to an episode when there's a love interest involved.

Supernatural has only had one episode where there was actually a love interest involved, and that episode was very poorly received. Most of their audience prefers it being just the two brothers and do not want to see them in a long term relationship. I'm sure most of the audience would be pissed off if they gave them a sister, because it would take away from the guys' relationship with each other.
And Supernatural is doing great. They are doing better than anything else the WB has had in the Thursday 9 pm timeslot in the last four years, and they are up against the toughest competition there is.

[roseyc]

I disagree that the sister angle would be detrimental to the story. You know in Charmed in season 2 they went to the future and all that didn't happen. Chris came from the future and that didn't change the dynamic of the show. The writing is going to be a key to the show and if they can't write past this then they are going to have a lot of problems with all their stories. Lisa I think your worries are just those worries. Only stress when things are happening. We we don't know what is going to happen and projected happenings could go wrong but first we have to get a show. My hope is if that the CW is our only option all these little things aren't going to mean a whole lot because this network is going to go through a lot of changes. Most of them are not going to be good ones. My hope is that some other network steps up with this project

[Lisa M]

Honestly, I wouldn't be interested in it if they had a sister. I'm only interested in a show about these two brothers that happen to be witches. Their relationship with each other would be very different if they had another sibling rather than it being just the two of them and I've seen enough fan fics to know that I hated every interpretation of them with a third sibling. Also, adding a third sibling could discourage new viewers from checking it out, thinking it's just another Charmed rather than a different show with a different dynamic. If they leave it at two brothers, Supernatural viewers would be sure to check it out to compare it to their show and the majority of Charmed viewers will still tune in. If the writing is good, these audiences will continue to tune in. But the addition of a third sibling will give a whole different dynamic that could be disastrous and make something that we've seen work not work. Chris was added on to replace the loss of Cole and he did work, but he wasn't coming in as another sibling. The reason why Chris and Wyatt is so popular is because of their dynamic and the additon of a third sibling would completely throw off that balance, even if she wasn't in a lead role.
We are promoting this as a show about two brothers that happen to be witches. Charmed already did the three sibling thing and three siblings have a different dynamic that just two raised together and interact differently with each other. To give them another sibling would just be another Charmed and would hurt the chances of bringing in new viewers who would think it was a clone of Charmed.

[charmedforever3]

Has anyone considered that there is no picture of pipers daughter, because if there is a spin off, it would not be the current staff place to choose the actress to play melinda. I believe melinda is pipers daughter, as she is to represent a time were she existed when Prue was alive, does that sound right.
The last show was a valentine for all Charmed fans. And i think Pipers daughter was to help with not having Prue there, but something that Prue, Piper and Phoebe know about. A future with with Pipers daughter

[Lisa M]

charmedforever3 said:

Has anyone considered that there is no picture of pipers daughter, because if there is a spin off, it would not be the current staff place to choose the actress to play melinda.

If that were the case, they would have had Piper mention having a daughter in her voiceover. I think it's more likely they left it open in case there is a spin off so they don't have to include a sister, as there are several successful shows on the air right now that only feature two brothers and no other siblings, including Supernatural. That formula seems to work across several genres. The mod squad, not so much anymore. And they already did the three siblings thing on Charmed. Adding a third to a spin off would be too much of a carbon copy and not help in drawing in new viewers, which a spin off would need to survive.

[roseyc]

Lisa Wrote:

Honestly, I wouldn't be interested in it if they had a sister. I'm only interested in a show about these two brothers that happen to be witches.

I guess Wyatt and Chris weren't relatives to the Charmed Ones then. Lisa I think you whole argument about the pictures on the wall and whether that Piper did or not have a future daughter does not take away from the concept. Phoebe and Paige did or didn't have children. How is the concept going to be? Who is going to write the concept? We know what you want. We are not against that. I think the concept could be that their agenda would be that their sister wouldn't exist unless they come back from the future to save her existance. That would be something they could run the whole series with. The demon fighting on Charmed got to be so mundane that the demons were just a mere thought and boring. They just can't do what the Charmed Ones did they have to be something different and fresh. The past two seasons among the things that were missing was the exciting demons like Barbus and Tempest and a Source that is a real threat. Another thing that was forgotten the vulernabilty of the Charmed Ones not because they were women because of their powers were limited with Phoebe. Just something to think about