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Post by Lisa M on Jun 19, 2006 20:45:21 GMT -5
I can't help how I feel about it or what interests me and what doesn't.
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Post by ShantaD on Jun 19, 2006 20:48:07 GMT -5
I have a hard time following that, if she doesn't exist, how can they try to save her existance? But in any event, I have had more than enough of traveling to the past to save the future. It's been done too many times and makes too easy an out for mistakes. I don't want to see it again. The boys need to stay in the future and if it gets messed up, deal with it there.
I would still watch a spinoff with a sister, but I don't see the need to add her and I think it would harm rather than help the show. Every issue and circumstance involving a young female witch has already been done to death on Charmed. The unique thing about this spinoff which makes it different from Charmed is it would be about brother witches. A sister witch wouldn't add anything new. I definately would want to see other supporting characters, friends, co-workers, dates, but I think a sister would just get in the way of the two brothers. The two boys are popular on their own. Why mess with that?
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Post by roseyc on Jun 21, 2006 18:42:32 GMT -5
Shanta wrote
It's not that hard she exist in the future they come back like Piper did with Paige and Phoebe. Ok it might be a stretch but it's just an idea to run with.
I hope that the spin-off is not just the same show with male versions of it. Chris tries to be human and fight demons on the side. He goes to College to pursue his degree on one hand and fighting demons on the other hand. That only works in Charmed. The one reason is that they weren't witches until they were in their twenties. They went way overboard with it and it kinda ruined the show because it was the central theme of the show. They got away from the mythology. I certainly don't like a future show at all, too many uncertain factors. If they leave out to many little things then it won't be believable and then it would just a fettish show for the faithful and not a show to grow
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 21, 2006 18:50:32 GMT -5
I would prefer that they have lives grounded in the real world that the audience can relate to, make them real people who just happen to be witches and have this destiny. That was how Charmed was in the first three seasons. It was when Charmed went completely fantasy, leading to their lives being surrounded more by magical beings than real people) that the show really started getting bad and the audience began to tune out in droves.
I see no problem with the guys having real lives in addition to their destiny. It makes the characters seem like real people that the audience can relate too. I just don't want to see them dealing with the same crap over and over again, saying they learned from it, and then the next week they are back to dealing with it again (ie. Phoebe giving up on love). I also don't want to see focus on their love lives. I'd like to see a strong focus on family. The magic should enhance it and give them obstacles. It should not be the whole show. The show should be centered on family.
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Post by rebeccamatthews on Jun 21, 2006 19:04:06 GMT -5
We all know that the future is changing (see Morality Bites and the Day Magic Died and onwards) , so I think that for the purpose of FC the girl was Piper's. But for the spinoff I don't want there to be a sister, she should not exist, I know that sounds strange but I really don't care.
I agree with Lisa on the concept of what should happen. Make the characters relatable to. One of the great thing that happened with Charmed was how the show was relatable to real life.
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Post by ArchAngel on Jun 22, 2006 9:24:21 GMT -5
Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but the way I view the whole daughter thing is that the writers were indeed trying to let the viewer decide whether Piper had the daughter with the ambiguous scene. Why because they had to know how many Charmed fans were die-hard Chris & Wyatt fans, to throw in a sister to many of them would mess up the brother dynamic and possibly throw a monkey wrench in the spinoff and fanfiction works. If you want to believe she's just a cousin then you're free to do that and have Charmed Sons be Piper's only heirs. For the people who though Chris was a waste of S6 (blasphemy I know but they exist) and were unhappy that Piper never got the daughter which she clearly wanted back in the ealy seasons... they threw in the scene with the girl. That way there wouldn't be the complaints of Phoebe got the daughter she wanted, so why didn't Piper! For those who want her to be the daughter they are free to think she is. (And as a bonus they then get the 3x3x3 charmed children fairy tale thing.) And we'll probably never know one way or another, at least not unless we can actually get a spin-off. Or their Sister took the Picture, and that is why she isn't posing with her brothers. Likewise she could be the "Family Photographer" that doesn't believe in timer cameras and is also camera shy and thus their is no photos of her posing with family members or alone Season 1-3 is the "Real Charmed" Season 4 is the Charmed Again with Paige Version "spin off", with them defeating the Source, chosing to stay Charmed when given a choice to give up the Powers and responsibity cause they fufilled their "destiney" of defeating the Source, and Piper finally getting pregnant and "they lived happly ever after Season 5-7 was yet another "spin off" Where the it's more soap opera relationship drama crap then original Charmed's "sisters that happen to be witches" and "being Charmed' with a lot of fairy tale filler and the introduction of magical beings more idiotic then ideal Elders and Piper not only having a uber magical baby boy but another not so uber magical boy....it all ending with the girls deciding they had enough with magic and using magic to alter thier and Leos apperence and walking off into the sunse to live "normal lives" Season 8 was yet another "spin off", but was mostly about the Charmed Ones training a new generation Witch and the "ultimate Battle" ...which actually ended up being between the Triad's Champion Christ and her sister, the Charmed Ones Champion Billie...not necessarily the battle planned by the demons but seen by the Angel of destiny (in truth Leo was supposed to be taken by the angel, to be put back at the right time to stop Piper from killing Billie so the "right" outcome could happen...lol) hehe. People talking of a "Spin off" when their has already been 4 versions of Charmed is about as Silly as people talking about a Charmed Movie when it's name is "Something Wicca this way Comes" (the Version with Lori Rom)
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2006 14:57:38 GMT -5
Well, technically, there hasn't yet been a spinoff. True, the series went (had to go) a different direction with the exit of Shannen and the entrance of Rose. Would a spinoff work? I don't know. Some spinoffs are disasters! Does anyone really care about Joey? Some spinoffs work. Angel! But, when a spinoff succeeds it usually does so when it cuts most of the ties to the originator and develops its own story lines. Angel is probably the best example of that, even though they tried to maintain some connection by bringing in Spike during the final season.
For any spinoff to succeed, I would argue that the writers/creators etc. would have to address the issue they conspicuously avoided in Charmed. Never was it clear exactly why the presence of three powerful witches, as prophesied by Melinda Warren, were needed. Was there some sort of demonic threat that was about to burst onto the scene that required the birth of three powerful witches? Was there an imbalance between good and evil that required the presence of three powerful witches to restore that balance? What would Chris and Wyatt do?
I mean at least Star Trek Next Generation had the vastness of space and the probability that there were still unknown worlds out there to be explored, as well as peace between Klingons and Earthlings, to set it apart from the original. How would the Charmed Sons distinguish itself from Charmed? If it was merely a continuation - twenty years hence - then all of us are going to want to see our favorite characters - at least from time to time. Now, if they could come up with a plausible threat that would require Chris and Wyatt to go to work, then fine. Or, maybe they could have Wyatt and Chris get in touch with real Wicca and thus redeem the unredeemed promise of Charmed.
I hate to pour cold water on an idea, but I'd rather see Charmed continue as a movie or series of movies than watch it drown in a vaguely defined concept. Don't get me wrong. I like the Chris and Wyatt characters. I'm just not sure whether that's enough to build a series around. (Joey?)
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2006 15:12:46 GMT -5
Boy, what a headache reading all of these entries. ALLEVE, please! I invite some of you to look at the issues we've been discussing in other threads. Since it was not my point, I'll credit it to its author macarev2: If Piper has a daughter, then she will be unlike her brothers. Wyatt is the product of a witch and a whitelighter. Chris is the product of a witch and an Elder. Prudence Melinda (I'm ducking for cover after making that comment) is the product of a witch and a mortal. Now, Phoebe can't claim that. After all, her three children are the product of a witch and a cupid. Nor can Paige whose children will be the product of a mortal and half witch/half whitelighter.
Gosh, isn't the idea that Piper would give birth to three different types of children exciting enough on its own to want to believe that the lunch scene daughter is Prudence Melinda.
Guess that about covers it unless someone wants to concoct a scenario where Wyatt hooks up with an angel of destiny and has a child. Or, Prudence Melinda marries an Angel of Death and has a child. Those are about the only connections missing unless Chris has an affair with an Avatar and produces god knows what! I'll assume that he and Bianca hook up and produce, hey, god knows what! (Chris is sort of the ladies man by my reckoning. I mean he must have used his charm to seduce the Valkyries and maybe they produced god knows what!) Maybe a spinoff could feature Chris with all of his girlfriends and different offspring!
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Post by ShantaD on Jun 29, 2006 17:50:02 GMT -5
Prue, Piper and Phoebe are all the products of a union between a witch and a mortal. There's nothing interesting or new about it. If Piper had another child with Leo as a mortal, that child would be a witch, the same as they.
I agree that a spinoff has to be a completely new show. The successful ones take one or two popular characters and put them in a new setting with new characters and a new premise, with little connection to the original show. I think Frasier is another successful example, so is The Jefferson's and Empty Nest and Gomer Pyle.
They are male witches with their own destiny (which could be whatever the show comes up with). Wyatt is already prophesized to have an extra special destiny that was never clearly defined.
It all depends on the quality of the writing. Angel was really very different from Buffy because of the talent of the writers and producers in creating a new show with a new premise.
I think it would be interesting if they explored Chris and Wyatt having flashes of memory of the alternate timeline which they don't entirely understand. It would give the writers more variety in writing the characters and could be built into an interesting sub-theme.
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 29, 2006 20:49:00 GMT -5
No. Not at all. I don't see why people are so anxious to want to see Piper having another kid. Obviously, it didn't mean that much to her because she never mentioned anything about having another kid. She was pretty happy about finally opening that restaurant she always wanted though. I'd imagine that because of how busy her life already was, how there were other things she wanted to do besides having babies (like opening a restaurant), and how she had a difficult enough time finding time for the two kids she already had, not to mention nearly dying when she gave birth to Chris, she wouldn't want to have another child. I know people who have one or two children and can both afford more and have time for them, but they don't want anymore. For myself, I once thought I wanted four kids. Now I have two and I definitely don't want anymore, the main reason being is because I'm fulfilled with the two I have and another child would take time away from them.
Anyway, to address some other points:
I KNOW there are a lot of stories to tell about two brothers who happen to be witches that fight demons and protect innocents. I personally have plenty of ideas. I definitely think a spin off needs to be a different show from Charmed to succeed. As it was, Charmed's last few seasons had turned into a magical sex and the city, for one thing. (One of the main reasons I think they shouldn't add a third sibling is because it would look like a carbon copy of Charmed and have a difficult time drawing in new viewers, which a spin-off would need to survive). I think a spin-off should and could be more dramatic than the last few seasons of Charmed, more like the first three seasons. A spin-off should also follow it's own continuity. It's difficult to follow continuity established in Charmed, because Charmed changed the rules to meet whatever episode/scenes plot point, and that just serves to piss off the audience. So a spin-off would have to pick which rules to go by and stick to them throughout it's run. They should not deviate unless they give the audience a reason why by telling them--don't make them figure out on their own. Television for the most part is a mindless medium and people don't want to have to figure things out, they just want to be entertained and believe in what they are seeing. I think there are loads of stories Charmed never touched that could be told in a spin-off and different evils they could face. Also, the characters of Chris and Wyatt were not on Charmed very long and we didn't get a whole lot of their characters. These characters can be built up and developed.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 30, 2006 8:09:39 GMT -5
Well, if it's two brothers, isn't that basically Supernatural sans the killing of their mother? I don't like Supernatural so don't get me wrong. Besides, if it were a new series and it used Wyatt's immense powers, then they had better address a raison d'etre for Wyatt's powers being needed. After all, the Charmed Ones have pretty much run through everybody in the old guard, sometimes even twice. And, unless you accept that no one is ever truly vanquished, then any spinoff would have some amount of explaining to do.
As I've indicated elsewhere, Charmed never resolved this issue at all. That is, why were the Charmed Ones born? Was Evil going to run amok unless the Charmed Ones accepted their destiny? The writers had an opportunity to address this in Pre-Witched when Grams is debating whether to strip them of their powers for ever: the magical potion that Piper wants to keep as a reminder of Grams perhaps until she discovers what this potion would have done to her and her sisters.
Gosh, so much hostility to Piper having a daughter! Just go with the flow. It's fun. It's fantasy. And, it wouldn't interfere with the Charmed Sons because she won't have anywhere near the power of Chris and Wyatt. See my comments above on progeny!
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 30, 2006 8:31:16 GMT -5
No, because the guys in Supernatural aren't witches. Chris and Wyatt are. They also fight completely different kinds of demons. The only similarities between "The Charmed Sons" and "Supernatural" are that they are both sets of brothers and they both fight demons, but that's it. And that might help to bring over Supernatural viewers, who will at least check it out due to those similarities. But there are far more many differences between the two shows and the concept. I also don't see "The Charmed Sons" as being a horror show, whereas Supernatural is. It's too intense for a lot of Charmed viewers.
There are plausible ways to reduce Wyatt's powers so he isn't quite so invincible, which would be necessary. But they would work. As far as new threats--Charmed established that: 1. The future is not demon free--there are new threats. 2. I believe they established that there would be a new generation of demons coming to power in twenty years that the next generation would have to fight.
1. Having a sister would change the dynamics of Chris and Wyatt's relationship, as well as change Chris' role in the family from youngest to middle child. This would happen even if she wasn't on the show. Two children who are each other's only siblings are often much closer as well as fight much more than when there are additional siblings. The nature of their relationship is often very different. I could see Chris and Wyatt, as being each other's only siblings, being very close, fighting a lot, and being very protective of each other. If they had a younger sister, that would not only take away the closeness they had with each other as well as reduce how much they needed each other, but their protectiveness would be transferred to their younger sibling, which would take away from their relationship with each other. 2. It would resemble Charmed too much with the whole "three" thing, which would deter new viewers from checking it out, since it would look to be like a Charmed clone, just replacing two of the women with two guys. A spin-off would need to attract new viewers to survive, as Charmed was doing poorly the last two years. The two brothers angle would at least get Supernatural viewers to check it out, and if the writing was good, they'd keep watching. If a spin-off could attract a bulk of Charmed's audience and a bulk of Supernatural's audience, it could do quite well.
Finally, the idea of a spin-off for Chris and Wyatt came because people liked the characters (as well as the actors) and liked the relationship between the characters and wanted to see more of it. This idea started being talked about after "Chris Crossed" aired. Even people who had never been into Charmed were into these characters and were interested in a spin-off with them. A spin-off should not be made simply to see the continuation of a show. A spin-off should come about because there's interesting characters with story to tell. Chris and Wyatt weren't brought on for spin-off purposes, but they were interesting enough to a lot of people that many want a spin-off with them now. To add another sibling would change the dynamics, as I have said, and could very much throw off the balance. By messing with this "two brothers" thing that already interested people by throwing in another sibling (and thus, throwing off the balance). Adding other non related supporting characters would be less risky, as they could be easily written off if they don't work and not change the dynamics of the brothers. If they added another sibling, even if they wrote it off, they could not change back the nature of the dynamics.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 30, 2006 9:53:40 GMT -5
Lisa, I'm speaking only as a male so please understand my comments in that regard. Second, I am speaking as the only male sibling in a family of three, the other two being of course sisters. First, let me thank you for the information about Supernatural. I'm glad to know those two are not witches, but then none of the Charmed Ones is really a witch either. They do have supernatural powers, but I guess what you are saying is that the brothers in Supernatural don't have supernatural powers. If they do, then my point remains. If not, then okaaaaay!
Second, having a younger sister, one who would have less firepower than either Chris or Wyatt, may or may not change the dynamics. Boys, I believe, don't generally worry whether they are oldest, middle or youngest. I'm the oldest so maybe I'm just ignorant of the fate of my younger siblings. If it were two boys, then there would be competitive dynamics between them, many of which might be rooted in age. At some point, however, in the mid to late teens, two brothers are developmentally - in terms of physical prowess, not mental reasoning - more or less similar. Then, the competition for who's better really gets interesting.
Maybe it's not true in all families, but in my family my sisters have a very close bond. I don't. Males are just not into that sort of thing. Now, with two brothers, I believe the sister, especially if she's the youngest, would bond especially tightly to her mother - and, of course, her father, but probably not her brothers. So, in a Charmed Sons spinoff, it is easy to imagine Chris and Wyatt on their own - in a competitive battle to see who would be better at kicking demon butt (isn't this what we saw in Forever Charmed?). Prudence Melinda could even be off to college - out of state - fulfilling a fantasy that her mother dared not do and which Phoebe criticized her for in Power Outrage. Having her off at college could mean a) she wouldn't interfere with the boys and b) if a spinoff with the boys were successful and they wanted to introduce another sibling, she would be ready and waiting. Of course, there are Paige's children and Phoebe's, but let's not get into that.
See if this helps any. But, you know my preference is for Charmed movies. As much as I would like to see a spinoff, it may take a while as the CW sorts itself out. The Billie character was also talked about initially as a spinoff character, too, but I guess that sort of died a nasty death rather rapidly.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 30, 2006 10:18:19 GMT -5
As for the other point, I'm sure Charmed purists would really scoff at a reduction in Wyatt's powers. This might not even be necessary anyhow. The very fact that Wyatt has immense powers is reason enough for others (demons) to be cautious. This is analogous to the situation with nuclear weapons. Possession of an enormous arsenal, as well as the demonstrated usage of them (Hiroshima and Nagasaki), has been enough to avoid nuclear warfare sofar (knock on wood). Wyatt may simply be able, by virtue of his enormous abilities, to prevent demons from going for broke.
But, you point us in the direction of Richard Garfinke's article in Totally Charmed. If you've not read it, I recommend you do so. It is highly illuminating. To summarize the main points: first, protecting innocents can mean several things. It could mean preventing demons - if you will - from destroying innocents through temptation (Sin Francisco). It could mean defending the existing world order from demonic assault. (The Charmed Sons versus Islamofascism!) It could mean taking positive steps to bring about a greater amount of good in the world by constricting the ability of demons to tempt so easily (The Charmed Sons versus the rip-off artists and FEMA to save New Orleans).
Charmed ultimately chose the second course of action (with the notable exception of Sin Francisco, which a few commentators regard as a magnificent example of Good versus Evil). The battle against demons is never ending. No progress is really ever registered, and if any does occur, it is merely a temporal gap. Evil will regain strength and resume the battle.
Now, there are political and religious reasons why Charmed went that route. We should discuss that in a thread called the poltical economy of Charmed. (Yeah, I was once a Marxist!) And, the one time it contemplated a better and different world - a demon free utopia, we are shocked to realize that such a world could only come about if "free will" were taken away from participants. Totalitarian thought control run amok! Having once been a Marxist and still clinging to whatever Idealism I can in this idiotic world that we 68 Generation members allowed to unfold while many of us were too stoned to care, I would like to believe that a better world is possible, one in which "totalitarianism" is not the only consequence of its introduction.
Second, too many of the writers of the mindless medium are products of this me, me, me world and have no ability to imagine a different world, let alone how to persuade people to lean in this direction. Think of just about every supernatural show imaginable. Good versus Evil. None ever wins. It just goes on and on and on. But, when Superman was created - as a comic hero - he was a product of the Great Depression. Initially, he fought for the dispossessed against those who used their power or money to suppress the legitimate aims of the dispossessed. But, then the Cold War happened, and Superman morphed into the defender of American capitalism.
Maybe Chris and Wyatt could help defend the new American dispossessed!
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 30, 2006 14:32:01 GMT -5
One of the problems with Charmed the last few years is that everyone became so powerful, they had to make them all extremely stupid and add a bunch of filler to make the episodes last a full hour. If Wyatt remained as powerful as he is on Charmed--which most agree is way too powerful--you'd have to make him really stupid to make the episode last, otherwise he'd vanquish the demon in the first minutes and what do you do for the other 55 minutes? If the demon is just as powerful, I guess they'd vanquish each other in moments. It's just very difficult if not near impossible to write for a character on a weekly basis that is powerful as Wyatt has been shown to be on Charmed. I don't think people would have a problem with Wyatt losing some of his powers and not being quite so omnipotent. A lot of people have said it would be necessary.
As far as the addition of another sibling, I think I covered that quite well and proved my point. Nothing you've posted has contradicted anything I've said on the matter, particularly my point that she could throw off the balance we've already seen between the guys and that the addition of a sister would make the show look like a clone of Charmed, which would deter new viewers from checking it out. The very existence of another sibling would do that. There's really no purpose in adding another sibling and it could be damaging, so she just shouldn't be included.
I think if they were going to go for another spin-off, provided the Charmed Sons was successful, then it would make more sense for them to set it up with one of their cousins. However, I still believe it's a mistake to bring in any character for more than a few episodes for the purposes of a spin-off. Three, four episodes max if the character's only purpose is a spin-off, but I really believe that the best spin-offs are unintentional--bring in a character, that character becomes popular, ideas jump around about stories in that character, give the character a spin-off. Don't put someone in there just to set up a spin-off.
Which is what brings us to the biggest point I made: Talk of a Charmed spin-off among fans came about after Chris Crossed, when we saw these two brothers face off. Many liked the characters and the actors and wanted more of them, and that's why there's a campaign to get a spin-off--based on something we saw and liked. It was not started to continue Charmed forever. It was started because we liked these characters that happened to be a continuation of the Warren line and we wanted to see more of them and their relationship with each other.
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Post by roseyc on Jun 30, 2006 17:44:09 GMT -5
But as much the uproar about Chris-Crossed has caused but without the Charmed backdrop they are just not recurring characters on another show. Drew Fuller and Wes Ramsey are not household names by any means. But then so was the two guys who are starring in Supernatural. But I think you can't loose the Charmed family history and characters in it as well. Piper and Leo and Grams. Since Phoebe and Paige of course wouldn't be a part of the new series but they apart of the history of Charmed. It will take some good writers and a good supporting cast not to make this show a copy of the original show. Though some of the people started to not like Phoebe and some don't like Paige character some of the fans still did and they had some noteriety more than say that Drew Fuller and Wes Ramsey has. I hope their bond and their comarady will be enough to overcome the Charmed history
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 30, 2006 20:10:17 GMT -5
There have been many successful new shows made starring unknown actors. Sarah Michelle Gellar was only known for a soap role prior to Buffy. The guys on Supernatural were not well known and only had supporting roles on other shows before Supernatural ever debuted. Keri Russell was completely unknown before "Felicity" debuted and that was one of the first hit shows for the WB. Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel were unknowns before Gilmore Girls. There are hundreds of other shows--both spin-offs as well as brand new shows--that didn't have any known actors in the cast and became big hits. A spin-off doesn't need a known actor in it to be successful. It just needs to have good writing.
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Post by rebeccamatthews on Jul 1, 2006 16:31:12 GMT -5
Except for Kaley and Alyssa, all the actors/actress' featured on Charmed I had not know of. Therefore a show doesn't really need hit actors.
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Post by Lisa M on Jul 1, 2006 19:09:32 GMT -5
Both Alyssa and Shannen Doherty had large fan bases before Charmed debuted. In fact, Charmed received tons of media attention for it's debut due to Shannen working for Aaron Spelling again after being fired from Beverly Hills 90210 a few years earlier, where she had worked for him previously. It's a big part of what attributed to Charmed premiering with such high ratings--it's the second highest rated series premiere the WB had, after Smallville's series premiere. However, there have been tons of shows that starred unknown actors that had no known actors in the cast and did quite well.
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Post by roseyc on Jul 2, 2006 14:46:24 GMT -5
But in the case of the other spin-offs the characters that were spun off were regular characters. Their agendas were clearly defined. But with Chris and Wyatt we know very little about what they are and what kind of personality they have. Chris had a personality in season 6 but does that character exist anymore? There is a lot of uncertainties that would be associated with these characters and a lots of questions. Are they going to be in the future? What happened to the Charmed Ones? What happened to the other sisters siblings? Are they going to be ignored entirely? Will their legacy interfere with the Charmed legacy. Who will be the network and who will be the show runner? The odds are against it but there has been greater odds to overcome. Will Aaron Spelling death deter the efforts of Brad Kern? Will Brad Kern head the spin-off? Do we want Brad Kern to head the spin-off? My personal opinion, I hope he is not. I would like to see another network get involved beside the CW. The early returns for this network doesn't look promising. I guess we'll see.
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