Charmed In the Future

[Lisa M]

Discuss the Charmed verse, the sisters' and their various possible offspring in the offscreen future here.

[rebeccamatthews]

I think that the daughter in the lunch scene at the Manor in FC is Piper's.

[Stormythomas]

^I agree. Like I've mentioned, Why would the writers have a cousin in the scene. It would be useless and unnecessary. It's true that the writers could have changed their minds and might of keep the scene anyways. But I doubt it because they would have known that to the audience it looked as if she was Pipers third child. They keep the scene in their for a reason. Phoebe had three children, Paige had three children, why wouldn't the writers give Piper three children. I'm not saying Piper NEEDS three children...just saying that it would be weird for the writers not to give her three children when they gave paige and phoebe three children. One then has to ask themselves...why didn't the writers give paige two children or why didn't they give phoebe two children.

I believe that it's Pipers daughter. To most of the audience (especially those who don't read spoilers) the scene clearly showed that it was Pipers daughter.

Nothing is for certain...just my opinion.

[Lisa M]

grlwthnocolgene said:

I believe that it's Pipers daughter. To most of the audience (especially those who don't read spoilers) the scene clearly showed that it was Pipers daughter.

Actually, most of the people I've spoken to that saw the episode and didn't read the spoilers thought she was Phoebe's kid, because Phoebe had that premonition where she picked up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter from school back in Witchness Protection (played by the same girl), and because Piper never mentioned having a daughter in her voiceover and the girl didn't appear in any pictures with Chris and Wyatt. It's wierd that there would be a picture of only two of Piper's kids if she had a third, and not include one. The only reason for that would be is if the third child died before she grew up or if she was just a cousin going off to school with them because she went to the same school.

But there's no way to prove either way unless there is a spin off. So we'll never know.

[Stormythomas]

dana1969 said:

grlwthnocolgene said:

I believe that it's Pipers daughter. To most of the audience (especially those who don't read spoilers) the scene clearly showed that it was Pipers daughter.

Actually, most of the people I've spoken to that saw the episode and didn't read the spoilers thought she was Phoebe's kid, because Phoebe had that premonition where she picked up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter from school back in Witchness Protection (played by the same girl), and because Piper never mentioned having a daughter in her voiceover and the girl didn't appear in any pictures with Chris and Wyatt. It's wierd that there would be a picture of only two of Piper's kids if she had a third, and not include one. The only reason for that would be is if the third child died before she grew up or if she was just a cousin going off to school with them because she went to the same school.

But there's no way to prove either way unless there is a spin off. So we'll never know.

Oh well...guess I shouldn't speak for everyone. Yea I see your point. But as for the pictures...I think that was more of...only use pictures you already have, kind of thing. Otherwise why wouldn't they put up pictures of their grandsons and granddaughters. Or their nieces and nephew?

But in truth you are right......unless there's a spin off...the world may never know...

[Lisa M]

By pictures, I mean, why would Piper have a picture of only her sons together? When people get pictures done of their kids, they have all their kids in the picture, they don't exclude one. So that's why I say that if she's Piper's daughter, she must've died before she reached adulthood, because otherwise she'd be posing in that picture with her brothers.
I choose to believe she was Phoebe's daughter, since there is evidence to suggest that.

[Stormythomas]

dana1969 said:

By pictures, I mean, why would Piper have a picture of only her sons together? When people get pictures done of their kids, they have all their kids in the picture, they don't exclude one. So that's why I say that if she's Piper's daughter, she must've died before she reached adulthood, because otherwise she'd be posing in that picture with her brothers.
I choose to believe she was Phoebe's daughter, since there is evidence to suggest that.

Ummm...what evidence? That's not meant to sound rude or anything...but it seems to me that at this time everything is speculation. (Again not trying to sound rude)

As for the picture. I have two brothers, and there are pictures of them up everywhere...pictures in which i'm not in. So I still think it was easier not to have a picture of Piper's daughter, because the viewers have yet to see what she looks like older and could get confused. Again it's a situation where the writers just put in pictures they could (or already) had. Like the picture of the boys was one they could easily have taken on the set. The others were ones they already had access too. Choosing Pipers future daughter...get her on set...and taking a picture of her with the boys would have taken time and probably money.

[rebeccamatthews]

I believe it's Piper's daughter because why would Pheebs let Piper raise ehr daughter. A daughter Pheebs has wanted since Legend of the Sleepy Halliwell. Just because there are no pictures of her with her brothers in the show, that doesn't mean she isn't Piper's.

[starr]

Are the pictures you are speaking of, the adult Wyatt and Chris or young Wyatt and Chris, if it is adult then we know what they look like but a grown daughter of Piper's we wouldnt know, so it wouldn't make any sense. Either way it still does not prove anything, still think she is Piper and Leo's daughter.

[rebeccamatthews]

I'm talking pretty much every pic on the main wall, the one that we saw. I assume they didn't include the girl, because the eppie was to be a treat for the fans. The way it ended, was with pictures of characters we knew.

[ShantaD]

I believe it's Piper's daughter because why would Pheebs let Piper raise ehr daughter.

Just because Phoebe's daughter leaves for school with Wyatt and Chris from Piper's house doesn't mean Piper is raising her. She just goes to school with them. We saw Phoebe picking up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter from school. Maybe Phoebe has to be at work at the paper early in the morning before school starts (a common problem for working parents) so she drops her kid(s) off at Piper's to wait for the bus. And Piper goes to work at her restaurant in the afternoon and Phoebe picks the kids up. Maybe Phoebe's other two kids go to a different school and Coop takes them or maybe they were already outside. There are many possibilities.

But if Piper had a daughter, her picture should have been on the wall. There were several of Chris and Wyatt and no girl. No parent would have several pictures of two of their children and none of the third.

[Lisa M]

I'm talking about the picture of Chris and Wyatt on the wall, and if they had included some young female we had not seen before in that picture, we would have figured that was their sister. Most people don't just have pics taken of two of their kids when they have three.
As far as evidence, Piper never mentioned having a daughter, while she did mention her restaurant and Leo teaching. You'd think having another kid would be worth a mention.
And I never said Piper was raising Phoebe's daughter, just that she was sending her off to school with Chris and Wyatt. Just like Phoebe picked Wyatt and Chris up from school along with her own daughter in her premonition. I think more points to the girl not being their daughter than being her. The only thing that indicates they had another child was a shot of them sending a little girl off to school with their sons, which could easily have been Phoebe's daughter if she went to the same school as them. Everything else appeared as if Chris and Wyatt were Piper and Leo's only children--only pics of them on the wall, only them shown as "their kids taking over". And no mention by Piper of having another child.

[Stormythomas]

shantad said:

I believe it's Piper's daughter because why would Pheebs let Piper raise ehr daughter.

Just because Phoebe's daughter leaves for school with Wyatt and Chris from Piper's house doesn't mean Piper is raising her. She just goes to school with them. We saw Phoebe picking up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter from school. Maybe Phoebe has to be at work at the paper early in the morning before school starts (a common problem for working parents) so she drops her kid(s) off at Piper's to wait for the bus. And Piper goes to work at her restaurant in the afternoon and Phoebe picks the kids up. Maybe Phoebe's other two kids go to a different school and Coop takes them or maybe they were already outside. There are many possibilities.

But if Piper had a daughter, her picture should have been on the wall. There were several of Chris and Wyatt and no girl. No parent would have several pictures of two of their children and none of the third.

It would have taken time and money for the writers or produces or who ever to find a women to take a picture with the boys. It was easier for the writers to use pictures they could easily get or already had. Plus like mentioned, they probably wanted to only show characters we have come to know and love. Having a random girl would have spoiled the moment. Some things just aren't logical. Like why wasn't there a picture of Prue. She's her sister, yet no picture. We all know why. It's because there's a reason behind it...like I believe there's a reason behind not having a picture of Pipers daughter.

Ok I'll stop rambling....

[spiritsas]

You're all missing some things about the pictures. First off, only those characters who have had roles, like Chris, Wyatt (young and old), Grams, and Mom are only pictures we see. There are no pics of any of the other children we see who belong to Paige or Pheobe, both of whom have three kids. So, it's sort of implied, no real evidence, that all of them have three children. There's every indication that Piper and Leo are sending their kids off to school. The girl is younger than Wyatt and Chris, who appear to be young teens to her pre-teen. Again, it's not evidence as she is not specifically named or mentioned, but there is a lot of implied meaning. So, my vote is that she is supposed to represent Piper's third child, a daughter. Since no pics of any of the other children do not appear on the wall, it doesn't rule out Piper having a daughter because she is not there either.

On another note, although all the other children are attributed to Paige or Pheobe, most are not named either.

[ShantaD]

It would have taken time and money for the writers or produces or who ever to find a women to take a picture with the boys.

All they would have had to do is show a picture of Piper or Leo with the little girl who was shown leaving the house with Wyatt and Chris. Or of a baby girl being held by them. They had several unknown, unnamed children in this episode, so I don't think they were concerned showing a picture of a girl on the wall would have bothered people.

Since no pics of any of the other children do not appear on the wall, it doesn't rule out Piper having a daughter because she is not there either.

It's Piper's home. There's a big difference between her not having pictures of Phoebe's and Paige's children on her wall with Wyatt and Chris and her not having pictures of her own daughter on the wall with Wyatt and Chris.

[Stormythomas]

shantad said:

It would have taken time and money for the writers or produces or who ever to find a women to take a picture with the boys.

All they would have had to do is show a picture of Piper or Leo with the little girl who was shown leaving the house with Wyatt and Chris. Or of a baby girl being held by them. They had several unknown, unnamed children in this episode, so I don't think they were concerned showing a picture of a girl on the wall would have bothered people.

It would have bothered me....only because it would have ended the show with all the attention on Piper and Leo. I love Piper and Leo, but why have a picture of their daughter at the end but not of Paige's and Phoebe's kids. The pictures shown where of characters we had already gotten to know. We knew of Chris and Wyatt so it make since to have their picture at the end. But it would have been unfair to have only the daughter of Piper. Plus if there had been a picture of Piper and Leo with the girl I'm sure many people would have claimed that it was a picture of Piper and Leo with their niece. It's Piper's home sure, but the show is called charmed, and has always been about ALL three sisters. Thus the family of all three sister.

The truth is there is no prove of either side. Yet, for me, the episode implied that it was Piper's daughter.

[Xenith]

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but the way I view the whole daughter thing is that the writers were indeed trying to let the viewer decide whether Piper had the daughter with the ambiguous scene. Why because they had to know how many Charmed fans were die-hard Chris & Wyatt fans, to throw in a sister to many of them would mess up the brother dynamic and possibly throw a monkey wrench in the spinoff and fanfiction works. If you want to believe she's just a cousin then you're free to do that and have Charmed Sons be Piper's only heirs.

For the people who though Chris was a waste of S6 (blasphemy I know but they exist) and were unhappy that Piper never got the daughter which she clearly wanted back in the ealy seasons... they threw in the scene with the girl. That way there wouldn't be the complaints of Phoebe got the daughter she wanted, so why didn't Piper! For those who want her to be the daughter they are free to think she is. (And as a bonus they then get the 3x3x3 charmed children fairy tale thing.)

And we'll probably never know one way or another, at least not unless we can actually get a spin-off.

[rebeccamatthews]

Also, whay wasn't there a pic of Paige and Henry on the wall, or Pheebs and Coop. They only show a pic of Dad,Victor, and Mom, Patty, and Piper and Leo. Why spend extra money to get younger pic's of the girl. Or get another actress to play the older version of the girl. There wasn't pic's of Paige's children or Pheeb's two girls.

Pheebs would most likely send her daughters to the same school, depending on the age of the girls. Assumong that the girls are around the same age, why would Pheebs have Coop take one daughter and not the other?

[ShantaD]

Also, whay wasn't there a pic of Paige and Henry on the wall, or Pheebs and Coop. They only show a pic of Dad,Victor, and Mom, Patty, and Piper and Leo. Why spend extra money to get younger pic's of the girl. Or get another actress to play the older version of the girl. There wasn't pic's of Paige's children or Pheeb's two girls.

It was Piper's house. The pictures were of her mom and dad, her husband, her children. Why would her daughter not be there if she existed? She has pictures of her two sons but not her daughter? What sort of parents would exclude one child from the photos on the wall while showing several of the other two? If Piper had a daughter she would be there. Phoebe's children and Paige's children and husbands aren't the same as Piper's own daughter.

There are far more reasons why Piper would be sending Phoebe's daughter off to school one day than there are why Piper's own daughter would not be included in the photos while Chris and Wyatt were. Or why Piper doesn't bother mentioning her. Or why she isn't shown in the scene with Chris and Wyatt in the future. There really is nothing to indicate she is Piper's daughter other than a first glance assumption that doesn't hold up to anything else seen or mentioned.

[spiritsas]

RM: Exactly. The implication is there, all three sisters having three children, and not seeing them on the wall is not an implication she is not a sister of Wyatt and Chris.