Charmed In the Future

[roseyc]

Season 8 was a disaster so nothing to compare can come out of that. The Billie experiment was failure. The starting story about Kern having to write them out of the house exploding and the sister glamored was just horrible. The Billie/Christy story would have been ok if it didn't last the entire season. Kaley can't act and Christy did ok but the time she came in her story was predictable. Paige and Phoebe and Piper were secondary to this Billie story. I agree that Chris and Wyatt should be the focus. But the cousin wouldn't ruin the concept. I think they should be addressed and not ignored just to tell one story. If Chris and Wyatt hadn't come from this series then there wouldn't be no need to tell the backdrop. But they did. It can be written into the story and out of the story quickly but I have my doubts depending on which network and which showrunner is in charge that is the bigger question. These little tree stories mean nothing unless the forest of the network question can be answered.

[spiritsas]

So, I'm sitting here, watching the DVDs I recently bought of the first 5 seasons, picking through episodes in early seasons and I take a break to watch this made for TV movie, called Fallen. Not the one made a few years back with Denzel Washington, which was disturbingly tragic, but one on the ABC Family Channel. Briefly, it's a bout a kid, an ophan, who in reaching his 18th birthday, discovers one of his parents was an Fallen angel. This makes him a Nephilim. Which is also what's going on in the BBC show "Hex", where a Fallen angel has a son with a witch (any of this sounding familia yet) who is a special nephilim, much like the 18 year old. Oh, did I mention the 18 year old can freeze time, is a special Nephilim, known as the redeemer, because he can redeem Fallen angels and they can go back to the Creator, or at least heaven. He also has wings and can fly. Anyway, in Hex, the Fallen angel, who is the bad guy of the story, is suddenly not looking all bad and his son is the one who can free other fallen angels. I think they've all read from the same play book here.

That's when I had this epiphany, though a small one, about the Charmed Sons. This is the angle the show needs. Wyatt, as is Chris, is the son of an Angel and a human (OK, a Witch). He is Nephilim, by definition, which were banned from happening. Which is why some Killer Geshtapo angels hunt down the Nephilim, soon after their 18th BD, and kill them.

This is the missing story for the Charmed Sons. Yes, it will copy both these shows, but one is just a movie (which will have some six hour mini event in 2007) and the other is BBC. This is the twist that can be added to make the Charmed Sons it's own show and not just a continuation of TCO. Wyatt is the Redeemer and he and Chris, another Nephilim, realize they need to help others like themselves and other Fallen Angels (like Sam was) to redeem themselves. This is why many in the Underworld (or at least can add to the explanation) think of Wyatt as a abomination, so they want him evil or destroyed. It's why the Elders forbid relations between Whitelighters and witches, cause they breed Nephilim. This would add so much to the story of Wyatt and Chris and give them a mission independent of saving innocents, which was their mother's hobby. What do you think?

[spiritsas]

PS As a secondary mission, they deal with the occassional demon who is gunning for them.

[MarAcev]

Actually the one other person from Charmed I wouldn't mind having as a semi-regular is one of Darryl's sons... (Michael I think was the name of the eldest from one of the spoiler scripts [Oh My Goddess Pt1]. Though I don't recall any names being mentioned in any episodes.)

Darryl calls him Mikey in Oh my goddess and I believe Sheila mentioned a Darryl Jr. (which should be a younger one) on Valhalley of the dolls, when Piper was taking care of all those kids.

[vandergraafk]

Might I suggest that someone figure out what exactly the Charmed Ones or the Charmed Sons are battling before speculating on the future? Yes, the prophecy of the Charmed Ones is important. But, why? No credible answer was ever given to this question.

It could have been answered by positing that Evil had something big in store, something only the Charmed Ones could stop. Or, it could mean that the Charmed Ones are the apotheosis of the Four Horsemen, ushering in not evil, but a world where good predominates. Instead, we are given a yin yang version of good and evil locked in perpetual struggle with neither predominating. Then, why the Charmed Ones. Clearly, with their abilities - not to mention the incredible power of Wyatt - they can upset this perpetual struggle.

The fact that the Charmed Ones have vanquished the Sources, his demonic offspring, the Triad, the Council and Zankou culminates in the complaint regarding Season 8 that there were no significant demons to go up against. How true!

One way out of this dilemma is to allow for vanquished demons to return. Of course, it will take some time before a) someone summons them from the wasteland and b) they can reaquire some powers. Maybe this is why Wyatt and Chris are needed again to fight off old demons and new. Of course, I'd rather have Wyatt and Chris stand up for truth, justice and an egalitarian order (for mortals). But, then that would mean taking on Christian capitalism, Islamofascism and sundry other ideologies that wish to destroy human creativity, independence and freedom.

[Piper Halliwell]

Ok

[Lisa M]

vandergraafk said:

Might I suggest that someone figure out what exactly the Charmed Ones or the Charmed Sons are battling before speculating on the future? Yes, the prophecy of the Charmed Ones is important. But, why? No credible answer was ever given to this question.

It could have been answered by positing that Evil had something big in store, something only the Charmed Ones could stop. Or, it could mean that the Charmed Ones are the apotheosis of the Four Horsemen, ushering in not evil, but a world where good predominates. Instead, we are given a yin yang version of good and evil locked in perpetual struggle with neither predominating. Then, why the Charmed Ones. Clearly, with their abilities - not to mention the incredible power of Wyatt - they can upset this perpetual struggle.

The fact that the Charmed Ones have vanquished the Sources, his demonic offspring, the Triad, the Council and Zankou culminates in the complaint regarding Season 8 that there were no significant demons to go up against. How true!

One way out of this dilemma is to allow for vanquished demons to return. Of course, it will take some time before a) someone summons them from the wasteland and b) they can reaquire some powers. Maybe this is why Wyatt and Chris are needed again to fight off old demons and new. Of course, I'd rather have Wyatt and Chris stand up for truth, justice and an egalitarian order (for mortals). But, then that would mean taking on Christian capitalism, Islamofascism and sundry other ideologies that wish to destroy human creativity, independence and freedom.

Didn't they establish in season 8 that there would be a new breed of demons coming to power over the next 20 years? Also, Wyatt and Chris did say that they were battling demons when Wyatt lost his powers, so obviously they have foes.
I never understood the argument that the sisters battled all there was to battle or their only purpose was to vanquish the source. Long before we ever saw the source, there were plenty of big bads they went up against and innocents that they saved that had nothing to do with the source, and there was no reason why they couldn't come up with greater evils after the Source. They did come up with one--Zankou. There's no reason they can't keep coming up with more. I remember when Buffy killed the Vampire King at the end of season 1 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I wondered how they would continue the show, now that the big bad was dead. Well, they managed to come up with decent to great big bads for another four seasons, the big bad getting badder and tougher to defeat each season. It isn't impossible, just requires some creativity.

[thekiwicharmed]

Didn't they establish in season 8 that there would be a new breed of demons coming to power over the next 20 years? Also, Wyatt and Chris did say that they were battling demons when Wyatt lost his powers, so obviously they have foes.

Yes. Brad Kern said in an interview that there would be a "new generation" of demons surfacing. Though nobody noticed the differene on the show, as the writers didn't even bother to develop the idea on screen and emphasise the changing characterists of demons. There was also no backstory as to where these demons were coming from and why they all looked and dressed like emo/goth humans.

Charmed should have focussed more on the antagonists of the series in it's later years, because it does make for good storytelling and viewers can learn the similarities and differences between demons and the charmed ones.

In the eighth season all that came off were demons (for what reason we are never told) attack the charmed ones at random times, and the charmed ones only use was to defend themselves. There was no structure or theme to season eight as there were no redeemable goals for the sisters as a group. Wanting to be normal is realistic but makes for very boring television. Wanting Leo back was compelling but in the end it was just a sub-plot driven by behind the scenes budget cuts. And the Billie and Christy sub-plot was inspiring, but ultimately lacked what the show set itself out as, about the charmed/warren line.

[Xenith]

Well there was a "new generation" in Still Charmed & Sucking, didn't you notice that those demons were younger, and they wore skintight leather clothes, and smoked, and acted all slutty... Lovely cliche representation of teenage evil wasn't it?

Although seriously I kinda liked the new demon of fear, and I thought Haas was okay if they actually developed him (Mainly cause of the actor). Then of course they hit us with the stupid white rabbit demon...Blackheart, and that was pretty much the end of the new generation...*sighs*

[spiritsas]

Sorry, but you're all missing the point here, or least the point I was trying to make with my previous post a few days ago. Casting Wyatt, Chris (and technically Paige too) as Nephilim adds a very interesting twist which can be exploited in many ways and generate many story lines and ideas for the The Charmed Sons (TCS). First off the idea that the Elders were not the only game in the overworld could be brought up. They could be just one sect assigned to the guiding of human witches and fight evil. There could be other groups. Remember, the Elders were so dead set against Whitelighters and human witches coupling and having kids that they were prepared to let loose with their wrath if they did so. This didn't mean that such things couldn't be hidden from them (hence Paige's existence, which they knew nothing about). For whatever reason, unexplained, they allowed Piper and Leo to marry and have kids. Granted, this is just a story line, but the concept was never fully explained beyond it being a reward for helping them in the "Blinded by the Whitelighter" episode. In any event, the concept of why such couplings is prevented is obvious as you may get a super witch like Wyatt as the result and the risk of that super witch being turned evil is just too great to let loose on earth. In Fallen there were definitely different groups of Angels or Elders, perse, in heaven and not all agreed with the idean that all Nephilim should be killed. I know this interposes some Christian concepts of heaven onto what is basically a Wiccan story, but the two are not mutually exclusive. They're interactive.

So my point is the concept of the prohibited Nephilim can open up a lot more interesting stories and pose a lot more interesting battles for Chris and Wyatt, beyond the new breed of demons. They would still be there, but adding this other concept will bring in other audiences and expand the possibilities of idea for new story lines.

[vandergraafk]

Well, that's why they call it TV, something so far removed from reality that fight against Evil - demons or whatnot - can go on and on and on. Sure, there are probably bigger and badder demons out there. The mind can only imagine. But, this still begs the question: why were the Charmed Ones - as promised by their legacy - even needed? At least, when Superman was created, the creators had a reason for his being. He was to fight for truth, justice and the American Way (of fairness and not being ripped off by evil and greedy corporations, etc.) Besides, the Great Depression created a fair amount of despair, something that required a heroic image to overcome!

[whitelightertony]

So, what do you think Phoebe's kids will be like?

I think, since they will be half-witches and half-Cupids, Phoebe's three daughters will have a combination of their mommy's and daddy's powers.

For example - - Patsy, Perri, and Pauley (my chosen names for Phoebe's daughters) probably can teleport via pink puffs of smoke like Coop, while also possessing empathy (although each possesses a lesser degree of it than Phoebe does) and levitation (although they can't levitate as high or as fast as their mother).

And perhaps each of them, individually, possesses a distinct variation of Phoebe's clairvoyance. For example, Patsy might get premonitions, Peri might be able to engage in remote viewing, and Pauley might be able to receive flashbacks.

[ausfan]

OK so i remember there being a massive competition on the charmed sons website where fans wrote in possible pilots for a spin off series. From what i read, they all looked quite interesting and one of the more interesting story lines was that the demons were laying low and as the charmed ones got older and a bit more relaxed, thats when the underworld began to take TCO out one at a time. This is where we can have TCS step in and defend their family, INCLUDING their cousins. I would find it interesting if W&C had to put their cousins into hiding while they tracked down who is behind killing their family, being the WARREN line. The mythology in TCO was that they were/are the ultimate GOOD power. Without them their family is unprotected. And as W&C are the eldest they have to protect the family line. This way you could have a support cast made up of the cousins who pop in here and there with their unique powers. Maybe do throw backs into their past what they had to deal with being witches and not being able to tell anyone about it. Which sounds similar to TCO, but the difference is that TCO's didn't know they were witches till in their twenties. I just find it interesting that if in each week we see a family member with a different power protecting their family anyway they can and how they have been taught to by their mothers.

[ShantaD]

There would be too many characters with the cousins, which means no character would be properly developed. I just want the two characters we know, Chris and Wyatt. That way they can be fully developed characters with personal lives in addition to demon fighting lives. With the cousins, in order to develop the characters and make people care about them and keep them interesting, there would stories about nine characters going on, which wouldn't work at all. The last season of Charmed, with the stories about the three sisters, plus Billie and Christy, nothing got done properly and nothing made sense.

[whitelightertony]

I would find it interesting if W&C had to put their cousins into hiding while they tracked down who is behind killing their family, being the WARREN line. The mythology in TCO was that they were/are the ultimate GOOD power. Without them their family is unprotected. And as W&C are the eldest they have to protect the family line.

I don't like the idea of the cousins all being in hiding. Why can't they just all be off doing their own thing in different parts of the world? Phoebe's daughters, Paige's kids (Henry Jr. and the twins), and even Wyatt and Chris's younger sister, Melinda, should all be pretty powerful in their own right (although Chris and Wyatt, as the eldest cousins, will undoubtedly be the MOST powerful).

But I agree that any series that potentially focuses on Wyatt and Chris should center around MAINLY Wyatt & Chris, along with any friends/allies in their daily lives as secondary/supporting characters. Melinda, the other six cousins, and the grandparents (Piper/Leo/Phoebe/Coop/Paige/Henry) could do cameo guest appearances from time to time.

But if The Charmed Sons ever comes to pass, either in weekly TV series form or mini-series form, W&C should remain the focal point. Even if nothing production-wise happens until Wes and Drew get to be into their late-thirties/early-forties, they could still reprise the roles as Wyatt and Chris for a mini-series...it would just be set a little further in the future. Perhaps W&C have to team up to protect their own immediate families (their wives and children) from a direct threat.

[wyatt2412]

does any one have any info on the possibliltty of the charmed spin off involving old wyatt and chris
i have been awaiting any news about it for ages

[ljones]

Instead, we are given a yin yang version of good and evil locked in perpetual struggle with neither predominating. Then, why the Charmed Ones. Clearly, with their abilities - not to mention the incredible power of Wyatt - they can upset this perpetual struggle.

Because life is always a yin-yang struggle . . . even in well-crafted fiction. A universe in which only good dominates is something one would find in a children's fairy tale with a happy ending.

The mythology in TCO was that they were/are the ultimate GOOD power.

How did TCO go from simply being the most powerful witches to "the ultimate GOOD power"? How did that happen? And since when are witches "the ultimate good"? The Halliwells can barely keep their own darker nature from manifesting every now and then.

[vandergraafk]

Obiviously, you've not been blessed/cursed with a belief system infused with utopian socialism. Life does have its struggles. Yet, to view life as a struggle permanently locked in the grip of good versus evil is a bit trite. Why not argue alternatively that life is about building the semblance of permanence in the face of inevitable entropy? True, there is some overlap. Good people try to build positive lasting things, but so too do evil people, e.g., Hitler's Thousand Year Reich. And, of course, there are evil people who try to tear down good things, while there are always good people willing to lay it on the line to stop evil people from inflicting their pain on everyone else. The Avatars were not entirely wrong. There must be something beyond the eternal struggle between good and evil. Now getting there is another matter!

[ljones]

vandergraafk said:

Obiviously, you've not been blessed/cursed with a belief system infused with utopian socialism. Life does have its struggles. Yet, to view life as a struggle permanently locked in the grip of good versus evil is a bit trite. Why not argue alternatively that life is about building the semblance of permanence in the face of inevitable entropy? True, there is some overlap. Good people try to build positive lasting things, but so too do evil people, e.g., Hitler's Thousand Year Reich. And, of course, there are evil people who try to tear down good things, while there are always good people willing to lay it on the line to stop evil people from inflicting their pain on everyone else. The Avatars were not entirely wrong. There must be something beyond the eternal struggle between good and evil. No getting there is another matter!

No, I have not been cursed in a belief system infused with utopian socialism. And I thank God. I have to deal with enough of my illusions about life without having to harbor more. And the last thing I want to see . . . even in fiction . . . is some story in which everything turns out peachy keen and evil is vanquished forever. It does not make for an interesting story. And I am certainly aware that life is not like that.

And I hate to burst your bubble but the struggle between good and evil is eternal. Because life is like that . . . even in well written fiction.

[spiritsas]

I have to admit that I've come to believe there really is good and evil in this world. I'm not so sure they are always struggling against each other or themselves, at times. I do think, however, that evil has the upper hand right now. Perhaps it's the news media. Bad news sells, so you hear so much more about it, that it's bound to cloud ones opinion of the world as a whole. But then you realize how many horrible things we, as a species, do to each other and it's hard to imagine that the "good" done in this world can offset it sufficiently. Not trying to be a downer here, just my opinion.

Also, when you see things like the Virginia Tech mass murder happen, you really wonder was there a real evil working this poor kids mind or do we all just accept it was curable or treatable mental illness? What drives a kid to cut himself off so far from reality, his family, and his surrounding, to do such a thing. What threat did these other students/teachers ever really pose to him? Also, it's like every other student or professor he killed was some amazing young shining star who had done such great and good things in their lives and were destined to do more. Same for the teachers, even the Holocaust survivor, who gave up his life to buy a few minutes time for some student to escape.

If that is not good working against evil, I'm not sure what is. Just something to ponder. This kid (Cho) truly had demons working against him.