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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 20:30:46 GMT -5
Hold on there, Prue took Bane's side in Give me a sign. It's a generalized trait with those Halliwells.
The one time when Piper sticks to Leo's side...that sounds funny (during season 7), you know what I mean, they had already been married for four years and had two babies. I think she knew him well enough to trust and believe him.
I think Piper did a pretty good job at keeping a balance between her sisters and her married life.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 20:33:37 GMT -5
Prue sided with Bane after being kidnapped and then discovering that he could be trusted. In the end, everything ended up fine. He turned himself in. With Cole, he got vanquished. Richard got dumped and Kyle got killed.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 20:52:40 GMT -5
Hey, I was just defending my dear Piper for standing by her Leo. In the end, he fixed what he did wrong.
I don't dispute the other cases though.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 21:01:29 GMT -5
I agree with you about Piper too. It's sad to think about the fact that the girls pick guys over their sisters. Haven't they ever heard "Sisters before misters"? You know what I think the problem is? Too many men writing for Charmed.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 31, 2007 12:53:12 GMT -5
Well, you KNOW I've just got to stand by my Paige. No, she wasn't bratty because of Kyle. Yes, she did kind of swoon over a guy who could handle magic, but not have any powers of his own. THAT was a nice contrast to Richard! And, yes, eventually she would have wearied of Kyle because of his obsessions. Still, Paige was right to question the Avatars. That she did so by adopting Kyle's point of view to a certain extent happened only because she had no evidence or sense that there was something not quite right about the Avatar offer.
Totalitarians are not necessarily evil. Their aims may be laudatory. Their methods may not be. Whether 1984 or Animal Farm is a good explanation of totalitarianism I won't dispute. I would suggest that everyone read Joel Swetow's comments in the latest edition of Charmed magazine. His instructions were to portray the character - and the Avatars in general - as ambiguously as possible, i.e., neither good nor evil. Cloaking them in dark suits was a further means of challenging simple assumptions of good versus evil.
I'm afraid, Maracev, that I can't defend Piper or Phoebe's actions with respect to the Avatars. Yes, Piper wished a normal life with a husband free of his own inner demons. That she bought into a vague promise of a better future, fueled by the immense satisfaction she was those ordinary witches experience in the casino, still does not excuse the hubris that the world should be altered to conform to her own needs. Paige distrusted the Avatars, as she should have. That Paige did not do so in the most articulate way possible is typical of Paige, but shouldn't make her come across as "bratty".
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 31, 2007 12:56:39 GMT -5
I'll repeat myself. I DO NOT disagree with Paige questioning the avatars. I disagree with the way she went about it. She wasn't acting rational, like Phoebe and Piper were. She was standing by Kyle because he said so. If she had used her own brain to come up with all the doubts (which I might say, Piper had her own doubts too) I would've been fine, but she was doing it because "Kyle says they're evil".
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Post by foxfire on Aug 31, 2007 13:40:13 GMT -5
Who can't say the Avatars aren't irritating? Heck, they're what made Kyle Brody irritating. Personally, I think they weren't the best "villains". Frankly, I find that Charmed had troubles with their Big Bads ever since they vanquished the Source. I mean, Gideon? Come on.
Anyway, the Avatars always struck me as having something wrong with them. The seemed secretive and cryptic. I know if I were in the Charmed Ones position, I'd have sided with Brody too. I'd be far too suspicious of these guys. After all, you think they'd have learned that there's always a catch.
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Post by spiritsas on Aug 31, 2007 14:10:44 GMT -5
To to the aside about the sisters taking some guy's side, Prue did it in Wrestling with Demons and it nearly got Piper killed (one of the many times she was mortally wounded or killed outright).
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Post by foxfire on Aug 31, 2007 15:00:46 GMT -5
Oops. Forgot about that one. That episode was interesting.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 31, 2007 17:14:22 GMT -5
They weren't supposed to be villains. They weren't evil beings, just not very good at allowing free will.
Was I the only person who thought the avatar storyline was interesting?
Good point, and she hadn't even seen the guy for years. Something that did irritate me was the writers' insistance on making Prue always always right. That episode is a perfect example. While Phoebe was wrong for the Cole thing, it was ok for Prue to risk all three of their lives for a guy.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 31, 2007 17:32:03 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether it was Prue's feelings for the guy or the fact that she was convinced he was an innocent that she was so adamant about saving him.
We don't even know how much she liked the guy either. That was the weak point of that storyline though. Although, it brought back some ancient season one vibe between Phoebe and Prue.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 31, 2007 19:03:43 GMT -5
They weren't supposed to be villains. They weren't evil beings, just not very good at allowing free will. Was I the only person who thought the avatar storyline was interesting? Like a lot of things in later Charmed, I thought it was an interesting idea done horribly. Had the sisters decided to give up their own ideas of Utopia because it would've taken away every innocents' free will, then I may have found it more interesting. As is, when they only reason why they wanted to do it was because of the deaths in their own family (to h*ll with everyone else's!) or that the only reason they *wanted* that utopia was because they would get the kids they wanted (to h*ll with everyone else's life!), just told me how self-centered and selfish the sisters had become and made me hate them. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 31, 2007 19:06:30 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether it was Prue's feelings for the guy or the fact that she was convinced he was an innocent that she was so adamant about saving him. We don't even know how much she liked the guy either. That was the weak point of that storyline though. Although, it brought back some ancient season one vibe between Phoebe and Prue. It also showed how Prue's pride would so often get in the way of her common sense--when she was determined to save someone, she was going to save that person or ELSE! And that or ELSE often meant Piper coming close to dying, since Holly did over-the-top drama like dying so well. I got bored with them all dying so often--you always knew they'd come back. All but Prue. |
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Post by foxfire on Aug 31, 2007 21:28:30 GMT -5
It's still a wonder they do the characters dying in the show when it's not at the end of the season. We always know they'll come back. Although, if you're watching Desperate Housewives... anything goes.
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 1, 2007 8:26:18 GMT -5
Leo didn't...at least not for another 10 episodes and neither did Cole.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 1, 2007 16:09:51 GMT -5
But neither were Charmed Ones.
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 1, 2007 16:24:55 GMT -5
Oh well, in that case we knew that none of the charmed ones were going to die anyway, whether it was a season finale or not. Prue was an exceptional case due to personal reasons.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 1, 2007 16:27:44 GMT -5
Well you never really know. I mean, Charmed could have ended at any season finale really by killing off a sister.
I mean, take a look at Desperate Housewives. Edie apparently killed herself and no one knows whether she's going to be in the new season yet the new season is going to start airing soon.
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 1, 2007 16:40:26 GMT -5
But in a show like Charmed, that wasn't the norm. I was actually surprise that Chris' death stuck and he didn't miraculously come back to life.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 2, 2007 2:12:29 GMT -5
I suppose. Although, with Chris it was kind of a situation where he didn't really die. After all, Piper did give birth to him later that episode, did she not?
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