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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2012 14:24:30 GMT -5
Where do you get that? All we saw were all of Piper's grandchildren.
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Post by Astral Alex on Jan 20, 2012 19:12:03 GMT -5
Wow, was it really all that time ago I posted that  time flies! I think what I meant was, that could you really imagine Piper, Phoebe and Paige not speaking to each other almost every day? There children were bound to have a close relationship, especially as they would be 'helping the next generation of witches, come into their own'. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 25, 2012 17:04:41 GMT -5
What if any of their children or grandchildren decide that he or she doesn't want to be a witch that hunts demons, let alone a witch, period? Would the Halliwell sisters respect that person's wishes?
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Post by Reality Bites on Oct 19, 2012 23:54:13 GMT -5
I think Paige would respect such a decision. Phoebe and Piper might urge them to embrace their magic. Based on the sisters personalities by the end of the series, I could envision Piper being a lot like Grams with inferring that magic is an important legacy in their family that must be continued.
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Post by ljones on Oct 26, 2012 13:42:33 GMT -5
I think Paige would respect such a decision. Phoebe and Piper might urge them to embrace their magic. Based on the sisters personalities by the end of the series, I could envision Piper being a lot like Grams with inferring that magic is an important legacy in their family that must be continued. Too bad. One would think Piper would respect the wishes of a family member, let alone anyone else. I guess not. |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jan 8, 2013 13:01:51 GMT -5
Personally I think Piper is more practical so she shows that through practical means which usually involve food of some sort. I believe that she comforts Phoebe the way she does because she knows that's the kind of thing Phoebe needs. So its practical she'd reach out and hold her during her emotional distress. I think during the explosion she screamed for Phoebe because at that time she was closer to Phoebe by having grown up with her. With Paige things are much different as she sort of just dropped from the sky and into Piper's lap during the worst time ever. She forced herself to accept Paige because Paige will be how they continue their legacy with both magic and not magic. She did so by bringing her muffins and other times where she had dinners and other parties which some were specifically for Paige. If she didn't truly accept her on some level she wouldn't have reached out in those ways. I don't think she ever accepted her on the level of Prue because she and Prue grew up together. She was closest with Prue and I think the two were best friends. She lost both her sister and best friend that day. It takes much longer than a year to get over that. All we saw was just a tiny bit of Piper and Paige's relationship. I think as they aged they will have accepted each other more. Paige desperately wanted a life outside of magic which caused Piper some grief as well. Piper's way of reaching out was making a home, cooking and cleaning for family. Paige's wanting to move out probably made Piper feel she didn't want to be accepted that way or left her feeling uncertain where to go from there.
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Post by jlenoconel on Mar 4, 2013 3:15:06 GMT -5
I think a lot more could have been done to recreate the bond between the newly reformed Charmed ones after season 4. I enjoyed the bonding that happened between the girls during season 4. Most of that was handled pretty well if I'm honest. After season 4 though, Paige should have still had her life as a social worker. Phoebe and Piper should have still acted like sisters, like they did in earlier seasons, rather than friends. They should have made more effort to talk and reminisce about Prue. There should have been more emphasis placed on the three sisters bonding like they did with Prue, and the trials and tribulations that come with it.
Season 5, to me, jumped to far ahead with creating this whole faux family thing. It annoyed me how everything was about babies, how Paige quit her job, and how Phoebe was beginning to become PhoeME. There should have been far less emphasis on Phoebe and her career. I would have preferred to have seen more of Piper juggling motherhood with work and being a Charmed one, but not in a cheesy way like it was done in the last four seasons. Phoebe should have used her job more to help innocents, rather than herself. It would have been so interesting to see Phoebe get premonitions to help her "readers" or whatever, who really end up becoming her innocents. We should have seen Paige help innocents as a social worker.
The writers really dropped the ball in season 5. Everything was about Phoebe's stupid love life and advice column, Piper's babies, and Paige just hanging around having no identity. Destroyed the show for me personally.
The whole "accepting of Paige" thing would have come across more naturally if we'd seen her do heroic things like Prue did when she worked as Bucklands. I think it would have been awesome to see Phoebe and Piper start looking up to Paige like they did Prue, regardless of Paige's age. So yeah, totally dropped the ball there for me really.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 5, 2013 20:30:18 GMT -5
I agree totally and for this wonderful post, you have been blessed.
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Post by Astral Alex on Dec 20, 2014 13:10:21 GMT -5
Great to stumble upon this thread again. Completely forgot I started it, otherwise I wouldn't have created one very similar the other day. My opinion has changed a lot on this matter, Piper and Paige's relationship is definitely more subtle but I think that's the case for Piper in general. Her expression of love was never overly physical like Phoebe's, and things like Piper offering Paige her wedding dress etc. show more than I originally thought about the pair.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 22, 2014 9:53:43 GMT -5
And each time she did things like that, it felt fake, like the writers wanted to say, "Hey! They're acting like sisters! Just like in the early seasons!" But I never bought it, and I was glad - her half-sisters didn't have their horrible influence on Paige so I still had a Charmed One to like in Season Eight.
Personally, if any of the kids have taken over, I still think that Paige and Piper in their 50's and 60's would have very little to do with each other - get together if the kids needed help with a specific demon; get together for holidays or birthday and that's it. IF Paige and Phoebe are even alive - after all, we never saw them or any of their kids past the children stage. For all we know none of them outside of Piper's family even survived. It's all part of why I'll keep up the Kern-bashing, because I hate Forever Crap, I mean Forever Piper, I mean Forever Charmed as a finale so much.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 29, 2014 15:52:57 GMT -5
I think Paige would respect such a decision. Phoebe and Piper might urge them to embrace their magic. Based on the sisters personalities by the end of the series, I could envision Piper being a lot like Grams with inferring that magic is an important legacy in their family that must be continued. I really can't imagine Piper being that way - I think she would be the one who would accept the decision without any troubles - unless it was Wyatt and all of his Twice-Blessed Crap bit. And then she would accept it as long as she could bind his powers. But if Chris or Prudence Melinda didn't want to - especially if Chris didn't after finding out about the other Chris or if Prudence Melinda fell in love with someone who couldn't accept her as a witch - yeah, I don't see Piper trying to talk either of them out of it. Phoebe, who believed so much in their destiny as the Charmed Ones until she just got interested in her own destiny as a mother, would probably accept it, unless it was one of her three daughters, since I can see her being so proud of the fact that it appears that she's going to be the mother of the next set of Charmed Ones, and then so disappointed if one of them didn't want the destiny. After all, for Phoebe, it's all about Phoebe. And I can see one of her daughters deciding not to accept the destiny just to spite her. Paige was so wishy-washy as far as being a witch or not being a witch (which makes sense since she's really a living whitelighter who can make potions and cast spells and not a witch at all), I see her admiring the person for being willing to make such a decision and stick to it. |
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Post by cyma on Dec 31, 2014 11:06:59 GMT -5
Great to stumble upon this thread again. Completely forgot I started it, otherwise I wouldn't have created one very similar the other day. My opinion has changed a lot on this matter, Piper and Paige's relationship is definitely more subtle but I think that's the case for Piper in general. Her expression of love was never overly physical like Phoebe's, and things like Piper offering Paige her wedding dress etc. show more than I originally thought about the pair. These subtle moments are filled all over S4-8. It's when I rewatched again ignoring all the bad things about the later seasons did I finally noticed them. And honestly, they're amazing. The subtly of their relationship makes it realistic. Squeezing hugs and loud declaration of 'I love you sis'? That just is neither Paige nor Piper. Though I would've liked their relationship explored more and given more focus like Prue and Phoebe's was in the earlier season. The whole problem was the focus of the show shifted from the sisterly relationship. But going on all the subtle moments, Piper indeed has accepted Paige. Probably before I even thought she has or hasn't accepted. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2014 11:24:19 GMT -5
Hehehehe. I haven't rewatched those latter seasons (Past "Sleuthing with the Enemy") in ages, so it's highly likely that I missed all of those moments.
And, no, I really don't want to rewatch them.
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Post by cyma on Dec 31, 2014 11:55:11 GMT -5
Hehehehe. I haven't rewatched those latter seasons (Past "Sleuthing with the Enemy") in ages, so it's highly likely that I missed all of those moments. And, no, I really don't want to rewatch them. *Sigh* Your loss then. Even in the bad seasons there are many good things. And vice versa for the good seasons. "I've Got you Under my Skin?" Worst episode overall. Hell what I previously believed were supposed to be the worst episodes of season 8, they are a million times better than that episode of season 1. If I ignored and constantly bashed the later seasons, then I never would've discovered the good things which did exist in those seasons. Or the cringe-worthy flaws of the good seasons. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2014 12:41:25 GMT -5
Hehehehe. I haven't rewatched those latter seasons (Past "Sleuthing with the Enemy") in ages, so it's highly likely that I missed all of those moments. And, no, I really don't want to rewatch them. *Sigh* Your loss then. *shrug* Not really. I just didn't like the show at all once it shifted from the sisterly relationships, what I count as the alternate-universe spin-off, since it's so different to Charmed the way I love it. Had Prue lasted until the end of Season Four, so they could use that season to concentrate on Phoebe and Cole (yawn) and then use Season Five to slowly set up the sisters bonding with Paige (including not being able to vanquish high-level demons like Shax until they had bonded - say like during the 100th episode) rather than, as Deano puts it "the Disneyesque episodes" and/or concentrating on Stalker Cole or the Twice-Blessed Brat, and then just skip over the original Season Five and Six, do Season Seven and skip Season Eight, then I'd probably want to. Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, it's a waste of my time, the reason why I only have Season 1-3 on DVD. Not saying it's the waste of time for the fans who enjoyed those seasons; I'm just a fan who didn't. |
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Post by cyma on Dec 31, 2014 12:47:14 GMT -5
I'm actually enjoying the later seasons  There's so many times you could rewatch the good seasons before they start to annoy you. Or you start to notice its many flaws. Seriously, give it a try. You probably have Netflix(I envy you), so it's easier for you. It's almost like doing something new. Treat it as a new show. Then it won't be a waste of time. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2014 12:49:11 GMT -5
I'm actually enjoying the later seasons There's so many times you could rewatch the good seasons before they start to annoy you. Or you start to notice its many flaws. The infamous "Different strokes for different folks". As I said, they started to annoy me during Season Three - or at least do during rewatches, when I know what's going to happen to them. And they may have annoyed me more had they done what I suggested, but then, probably not, since it's what they developed into during those seasons that make them so unwatchable for me during "Sleuthing with the Enemy" and beyond that. Had they done Season Four and Five the way I suggested, and then skippedthe original Season Five, Six and Eight, then I probably would enjoy Seasons Two and Three a lot more than I do during rewatches. But like I keep saying, I figured out a long time ago that I'm quite a bit different from most fans. So by "you", you probably mean most fans, but not me. Originally they didn't start to annoy me until Season Five. I often wish I'd never done any rewatches or that I could just forget what had happened during Seasons Five, Six and Eight. |
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Post by cyma on Dec 31, 2014 12:52:55 GMT -5
Dammit. You post faster than I could edit my post and repost them. And I'm younger  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2014 12:56:35 GMT -5
Hehehehe! Probably because I use a computer, not a phone, since in order to type properly, I have to look at the screen, not my fingers. Part of being extremely left-brained, since I was born with something wrong with the right side of my brain.
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Post by cyma on Dec 31, 2014 13:01:09 GMT -5
I'm using a computer! But I guess I use my mobile for internet so often now that I've forgotten how to type fast, lol.
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time flies!
There's so many times you could rewatch the good seasons before they start to annoy you. Or you start to notice its many flaws. Seriously, give it a try. You probably have Netflix(I envy you), so it's easier for you. It's almost like doing something new. Treat it as a new show. Then it won't be a waste of time.