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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 23, 2009 12:22:35 GMT -5
I like Piper but I also found her a little bit bossy. Especially with Leo, but then again most wives are. Most wives don't emasculate their husbands and turn them into their own little errand boys. Piper was more than a "little bit bossy" with Leo. He should've walked out on her, but thanks to her, he didn't have the balls to do it. |
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Post by foxfire on Aug 23, 2009 17:45:55 GMT -5
I found her behavior to Paige to be unneccesarily rude, and upsetting to audience members like me that watched the show first and foremost because of the sisters and their relationships. To be honest, it's expected. Whether we like it or not, just because someone's related to you doesn't mean you have to like them. Think about it: your best friend, older sister and person you look up to just died and now there's some chick coming into your life. You'd be thinking "I don't need another sister. I had one and she was great." Of course, it takes time to warm up to people. We also have to remember that it's in Piper's personality. She's not a social butterfly... I mean she was the nerdy girl in school who got picked on... just how sociable would you be after that? Phoebe readily accepted Paige because of her outgoing nature and more understanding personality (after all, she was the odd one out once upon a time). And back over to Piper and Leo... to be honest I don't see how their relationship is so much different from just about every other married couple we see on television... ESPECIALLY in sitcoms. You either have the overbearing wife (i.e. Roseanne) or the overbearing husband (i.e. just about every sitcom before the 90s). I think that Piper/Leo's relationship is oddly similar to Chandler and Monica's on Friends. |
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Post by dylan345 on Aug 23, 2009 19:43:21 GMT -5
I understand what everyone has said about Piper and Paige. It makes sense that they wouldn't necessarily get along all the time, or even most of the time. But it seemed as if, even in less obvious moments, Piper was rude to her. I'm talking about just in normal conversations. I would expect them to fight about big issues, but Piper doesn't constantly have to be snapping at her.
I think of Prue and Phoebe when I think of the two of them. Prue obviously had her issues with Phoebe, but still found ways to be sweet to her. They had their moments that were fun to watch, even while having some very different positions on bigger things going on in their lives. They fought and then they were kind. The relationship between Piper and Paige just felt cold. And I know it's not in Piper's personality to be sweet, or at least not in the later seasons, and that she also wouldn't want to accept a new sister right after Prue's death, but she had five years to at least learn to be kind to her, and I never saw much of that.
But as far as being realistic, their relationship does makes sense, even if it isn't what I wanted out of the show.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 23, 2009 20:58:59 GMT -5
I find Piper and Paige to be quite close. We don't get a lot of chances to see it but I personally think they act and seem like sisters. But obviously, Piper's not going to have as much chemistry with a sister she's known for five years vs a sister she's known for 30 years. I think it's pretty realistic.
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Post by whitebutterfly on Dec 31, 2009 15:54:14 GMT -5
I am a huge Piper fan. Yes on occation she has done something i disagreed with but I am still a huge fan of her. honestly there is always gonna be someone out there that disagrees with me/ us but it is our right to have our opinions.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2009 19:52:29 GMT -5
Of course it is--it's the fun of message boards--everyone has a right to express their own opinion. If everyone agreed, all of the threads would be very, very short.
But the most fun of discussions/debates is when everyone gives their reasons for why they feel the way they do, so that the others know where they're coming from. Just saying you like a character or hate a character cuts the conversation short, too.
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Post by Ebdim9th on Jan 19, 2010 18:08:15 GMT -5
I like Piper!
That's all.
Just kidding....
I didnt find her, personality-wise, to be rude, cruel or snarky. I think the theme from Friends describes the situations of each of the sisters well, "when it's not your week, your month, or even your year".....
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 20, 2010 8:32:15 GMT -5
I like Piper! That's all. Just kidding.... I didnt find her, personality-wise, to be rude, cruel or snarky. I think the theme from Friends describes the situations of each of the sisters well, "when it's not your week, your month, or even your year"..... Then it wasn't her decade. Oh, poor, poor pitiful Piper!  Boo hoo, hoo!  Feeling sorry for someone gets very boring very quickly, like poor, poor, pitiful Chris who was angry because his daddy was too busy saving the world to pay attention to him. Boo! hoo! hoo! What horrible storylines when the only way you can like a character is if you feel sorry for them! I never felt that way about the Friends. And the Friends handled adversity much, much, much better than cold, cruel Piper. |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jan 26, 2010 1:34:00 GMT -5
I like Piper and I thought that even after Prue's death that she was funny. I really enjoyed how she was portrayed in the superhero episode. However, when she and Paige were saving someone she replied fast and left the innocent speechless...
Anyways, yes I do find Piper to be somewhat high-strung. However, she has gone through much hurt even before Prue's death. As a young girl, Piper was the girl picked on and as a result she became very sarcastic and un-confident in herself.
Becoming a witch gave her confidence, however when she lost Prue she began to see magic as even more of a nuisance. But, she kept being a witch because she knew that her sisters were also affected in the decision and because she saving innocents was important to her. Furthering her decision was when she had her sons. There was no turning back even after they gave up magic. They could not keep away from it. Not even Piper.
Even though her sons could defend and protect themselves with magic; she still had to be magical to protect them as well. Once her sons were born with magic unless she took their magic away- she had to keep it.
All of these things affected how Piper dealt with issues. Piper was a realistic character with real feelings and real emotions being shown. Prue's death completely changed her character and I believe that it was a believable change.
I see her character as a very good mother and she always left her boys in good hands. Even when she left them at magic school and with Victor.
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Post by ljones on Jan 28, 2010 11:12:22 GMT -5
Oh, I found Piper's change somewhat believable following Prue's death. But I feel that her more unpleasant side came out a lot more in Seasons 4-8, than it did in Seasons 1-3. Piper could be an incredibly selfish and cynical person, when the mood hits her. Even more so than her three sisters.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 28, 2010 12:23:57 GMT -5
Oh, I found Piper's change somewhat believable following Prue's death. But I feel that her more unpleasant side came out a lot more in Seasons 4-8, than it did in Seasons 1-3. Piper could be an incredibly selfish and cynical person, when the mood hits her. Even more so than her three sisters. Exactly true. The major thing is that had she became the horrible person she was in S6-8 during S4, I would think it was due to the death of Prue and I'd accept it. But she was back to being our warm, funny, wonderful Piper during S5 with the whole bit with Wyatt. She didn't change until "Oh, My Goddess!" (one of my least-favorite episodes) when Leo got his "promotion" (and anyone who marries someone in the military knows that such a thing can happen), when Piper should've been supporting her husband rather than feeling sorry for herself and making it even harder on him. That's when she became Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper and I learned to hate her and why I hate S6, since I count "Oh, My Goddess!" as part of that, the first episode of Charmed's only spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper". |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 29, 2010 5:22:41 GMT -5
Leo not only got his promotion Leo had to leave Piper alone with their child for all she knows Piper could not see him again, as if he were dead
if you love someone and it disappears from yours and your child life, you certainly can not be in the disposition of mind to congratulate
I have never seen any self-pity in Piper but rather the energy to rebuild a life for herself and her children
As for Leo little errand boys .. Piper works, has a house and two children, she has also to maintain a sister,sometimes two sisters should she also bring breakfast in bed to her husband?
It seems right to me that Leo helped, did shopping looked after their children and fixed the car that she bought
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 29, 2010 11:55:02 GMT -5
Leo not only got his promotion Leo had to leave Piper alone with their child for all she knows Piper could not see him again, as if he were dead Oh, poor, poor, pitiful Piper! Boo! hoo! hoo! Then she shouldn't have had two children with someone who this could happen to. It's just like if a darklighter had gotten him or if a demon had gotten her. Absolutely totally no excuse to react the way she did. NO SELF-PITY??  SHE ALMOST DESTROYED SAN FRANCISCO IN HER SELF-PITY!! And each time he showed up, it was over and over and over how much his family needed him and making him feel bad throughout the whole time he came back. And it was poor, poor me, everything happens to poor, poor me for the rest of the series. And none of her energies was for her boys; all of it was used up chasing the firefighter. Of course not. But when all she wants him to do is watch the kids and go get groceries, that's emasculating him. She was making more than enough to hire a housekeeper to help with the house or a manager to help with P3. She didn't have to do it all herself, but because she did, she keep being a horrible wife, a horrible mother, a horrible sister, a horrible witch and a horrible leader of the Charmed Ones--no reason to admire her at all. Sure, if he wanted to. She was ORDERING him to do that, making it clear that that's all he was good for, which is definitely emasculating him. But then the Halliwells never knew how to love, just how to use. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 1, 2010 8:08:13 GMT -5
She nearly destroyed San Francisco when she was under the influence of the powers of the gods, powers that were unsuitable for a human being, even if she was a witch
If sometimes you watched the episodes from the sixth season you would know that, after returning to her senses from Leo's spell , Piper has never said or asked anything
Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 2
Piper: I need some space from you. I mean, who knows this might actually turn out to be a good thing for me in the long run. I might be able to live some semblance of a normal life. Not being married to an angel. I get why you have to leave, Leo, and I understand that you can't ignore your calling, but I do have to deal with it somehow. With being alone, with being a single mother, and I can't really do that with you hanging around the house. I'm sorry. Leo, please, I need this.
Love's A Witch
Leo: Piper. I wanna apologise.
Piper: For what?
Leo: For being around so much. I know you asked for your space and I wanna honour that but it's just with Chris.
Piper: Yeah, no, I understand, I'm not upset.
Leo: Good.
Piper: Actually, I don't really think it's necessary anymore. Besides, I can't really think of a better babysitter for Wyatt than his daddy.
Leo: Really? Anytime.
Piper: I know this hasn't been easy for you either, but I really appreciate it, it's given me some time to think.
Leo: About?
Piper: About where we go from here. And I think it's time maybe we make it official. You know, legal
Hyde School Reunion
Paige: Maybe he should have a father son talk.
Piper: No, I can't do that to Leo. He had a hard enough time letting go. Besides, he doesn't even know that I'm pregnant.
Paige: I know, but don't boys need their...
Piper: I know, and that's why I called my father so he could figure out why his surly new grandson hates me
Spin City
Paige: Why don't we just call Leo?
Chris: No, no.
Paige: Why not? He can help us. Besides, Piper's in danger, which means the baby's in danger, which means you are in danger.
Chris: Because we don't need him.
Piper: Yeah, he's right, I don't want to open up that can of worms.
Paige: He doesn't even know you're pregnant.
Piper: This is my point exactly
It's always Leo who resolves to go back or not to go, never Piper
The Courtship of Wyatt's Father
Leo: Well, neither one of us wanted me to become an Elder.But I did anyway. I was supposed to go up there right away but I didn't.
Piper: Because you wanted to find out who Chris was and to protect Wyatt.
Leo: They're not the only reasons I didn't go up there, Piper. I was holding onto you. And because of that I put you at risk and I put my son at risk. I can't let that happen anymore, I won't let that happen
Spin City
Piper: Besides, I'm only an orb away if the girls need me.
Leo: No, I told them to call me first.
Piper: You? You're not going back up there?
Leo: No. My family needs me here right now.
Love Hurts
Leo: No. World War II. I left med school and enlisted as a medic. I wanted to help save people not shoot them. The last thing I remember, I was bandaging a soldier's head wound and I felt a sharp pain and the next thing I know I was floating surrounded by White Lighters. They offered me immortality and the chance to help special people like you. I never once ever doubted that I didn't make the right choice. Till I met you. Ever since all I can think is how I'd give it up and have a mortal life again to have a family, grow old... with you.
Piper: Is that possible?
Leo: Yeah, I can become human again, Piper, if you want me to.
Leo and only leo takes the decision to return mortal
The Seven Year Witch
Leo: I just can’t believe it. I don’t have powers anymore. I don’t hear jingling. I can’t orb.
Piper: Is that bad?
Leo: Are you kidding? It’s great. It’s everything I’ve wanted ever since the day I met you
The shy and sweet Piper from the first three seasons improves after Prue death she can no longer rely on her big sister she has to grow and harden and she does it but the she remains the sweet Piper who takes care of all
In the eighth season she supports an husband and two sisters, when she is arrested, even if she risks to be discovered (the Elders went back on them and they had to face alone the problem of the government who investigates them) she does not give up helping the girl unjustly accused,she takes Christy in her home, cooks for her, she fits her clothes for her,she asks her parents over, she prepares the engagement party for Paige,she keeps being the heart of the Charmed Ones
She has to do it all herself,with all those people to keep! In addition, she is the manager of P3, that is her job.Piper had the idea to ask Leo to teachin the magic school,she would not have done it if she had wanted him as her personal errand boy
I do not see nothing wrong asking a man to look after his children or to go shopping
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Post by ljones on Feb 1, 2010 12:19:44 GMT -5
Despite her little speeches to Leo, Piper didn't remain the "sweet Piper who takes care of all". She became an increasingly bitchy woman. And she made a lot of mistakes as "leader" of the Charmed Ones.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 1, 2010 12:38:48 GMT -5
I never saw Leo as the little errand boy. I mean its only right for a father to spend some time with his sons, fix some things, and go shopping. Leo was human at that point and Piper and the sisters had alot of things on their plate and could not always do those things. On top of being a Charmed One, Piper had children, P3, and sisters. How could she possibly not need his help with things?
Oh yes, during Leo's time of being in the dumps Piper had to MAKE him spend time with Wyatt and Chris but I believe that was the right thing to do. He was obsessed with things he shouldn't have been and was neglecting the boys. He even declined simply holding his son... Chris.
I truly believe that this might be why when Chris came back to the future he hated his daddy.
I mean anyways, see how much you can handle by yourself if your Charmed, have two children, sisters, innocents to care for, a club and your husband is frozen. Tell me you won't be even slightly depressed and I'll laugh.
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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2010 2:22:06 GMT -5
Sisters to care for?  It wasn't Piper's job to care for her sisters. They were grown women, capable of caring for their own lives. What law was there that Piper had to care for Phoebe and Paige, because she was the oldest living sister? |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 2, 2010 16:35:37 GMT -5
She has the most powerful offensive power and obviously when they go on their demon-hunts she was the one to blow up the big bad demon... however, Paige also deflects them as well sending them back to the demon.
My point is that Piper plans things such as the engagement parties and other things. Piper is the one who cooks dinner, cleans, among other things. Normally, we don't see Leo or any of the other sisters doing that. I call that taking care of everyone. Not to mention when something goes wrong she runs to their aid. All of the sisters do that. They all take care of each other.
This is why I don't see Leo as an errand boy. Simply, I see it as him pitching in and doing things for the household. Before Phoebe had school and a job- doing the 'list' duties was her job.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2010 11:04:00 GMT -5
I agree; Piper is always kind to others, we saw her behavior with Billie and Christy and their parents
It is no coincidence that the angel of destiny orders Leo's death : recalling Piper reaction at Prue death the angel needs that she turned back into that angry Piper because she could have the ability to kill Billie and Christy
The normal Piper is too maternal and toonice to be able to do what the angel of destiny wants
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Post by ljones on Feb 4, 2010 11:04:38 GMT -5
The most powerful offensive power? God! Is this how the show ended up portraying magic? As weapons of war? That's sad. As for Piper having the strongest ability . . . I don't think that's a good reason for her to rule over her sisters. As I had stated earlier, Phoebe and Paige were grown women. They had to learn to take care of themselves without Piper being around all the time. And sometimes, they had to take care of Piper. Because frankly, I don't think she was that hot as a leader.
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Boo hoo, hoo! 
Feeling sorry for someone gets very boring very quickly, like poor, poor, pitiful Chris who was angry because his daddy was too busy saving the world to pay attention to him. Boo! hoo! hoo! 
SHE ALMOST DESTROYED SAN FRANCISCO IN HER SELF-PITY!! 
It wasn't Piper's job to care for her sisters. They were grown women, capable of caring for their own lives. What law was there that Piper had to care for Phoebe and Paige, because she was the oldest living sister?