Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 14, 2008 22:49:05 GMT -5
Nope, everybody doesn't love her. A number of fans ABHOR her! I'm definitely one of them and I've ran into other fans who agree with me.
She was a dreadful sister, horrible wife, bad mother and the worst possible leader of the Charmed Ones, the selfish self-centered b!tch. Paige as an assistant social worker is the one who should've become the leader, so Piper could've remained the heart of the family and concentrate on Leo and the boys, Phoebs could concentrate on Phoebs in a loveable baby fashion rather than Freebie, and Paige could've made sure they concentrated on saving innocents, not just saving themselves.
As far as the way Kern wrote Piper. Besides being beautiful and being played by the most-talented actress, what's to like?
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 15, 2008 8:13:43 GMT -5
While I never had any major problems with Piper, I liked her best during S1-4. After that it seemed she became overly sarcastic and at times rude. She became really hardend by everything that had happened in her life and just wasnt the same Piper that I loved in the beginning.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 15, 2008 13:01:52 GMT -5
I'm with you completely. She definitely showed how NOT to react to tragedy--a HORRIBLE role model for how to react to misfortuntes. Had they let her keep her sarcastic sense of humor and remained our Piper, it would've made the whole show SOOO much better rather than "Poor me! Poor me! Poor me! Everyone feel sorry for Poor me!"
Oh, ba-ROTHER! Certainly you could've written her better than THAT, Kern!
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Post by •|CharmedS678|• on Sept 15, 2008 15:55:47 GMT -5
Nope, everybody doesn't love her. A number of fans ABHOR her! I'm definitely one of them and I've ran into other fans who agree with me. She was a dreadful sister, horrible wife, bad mother and the worst possible leader of the Charmed Ones, the selfish self-centered b!tch. Paige as an assistant social worker is the one who should've become the leader, so Piper could've remained the heart of the family and concentrate on Leo and the boys, Phoebs could concentrate on Phoebs in a loveable baby fashion rather than Freebie, and Paige could've made sure they concentrated on saving innocents, not just saving themselves. As far as the way Kern wrote Piper. Besides being beautiful and being played by the most-talented actress, what's to like? Oh wow. I see. LOL. It looks like you like her in the earlier episodes though. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 18, 2008 2:14:05 GMT -5
Sorry, but I've never interpreted Piper's behavior as her wanting people to feel sorry for her. I saw her sarcastic hard edge as Piper coping with everything life threw at her the best way she knew how...just like Phoebe had her own way of coping with it.
I don't think it would have been feasible for Paige to assume the role of leader right off the bat, because she had too much to learn when she was first introduced. Maybe by Season 6, after Paige had a couple of years as a witch under her belt, then she could have taken over as head witch.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 18, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
I dont think Paige ever could have become the "leader" of the TCO when she had the least experiance out of Piper and Phoebe. I would see her more growing apart from them and going solo since she ended up being more into it then Piper and Phoebe were at the time.
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Post by ljones on Sept 18, 2008 23:29:51 GMT -5
I dont think Paige ever could have become the "leader" of the TCO when she had the least experiance out of Piper and Phoebe. I would see her more growing apart from them and going solo since she ended up being more into it then Piper and Phoebe were at the time. I think she could have become the true leader within a year of being a Charmed One . . . if the writers had not decided to turn her into a screw up, because of her position as the youngest sisters. Paige was the only sister who had the true potential to be the leader. But because Kern and his crackmonkeys believed that the sisters had to adhere to the "oldest sibling=leader, middle sibling=peacemaker and youngest sibling=screw-up" formula, they drastically changed their characters to adhere to this nonsense. |
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Post by kiriashra on Sept 19, 2008 23:22:26 GMT -5
I like Piper but I also found her a little bit bossy. Especially with Leo, but then again most wives are.
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Post by micki98 on Sept 28, 2008 0:57:25 GMT -5
i love piper but some days she was bossy to leo and on the hateful side. that's my only opinion I agree. Piper was very bossy, especially to Leo and Paige, and she could be kinda hateful. |
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Post by micki98 on Sept 28, 2008 1:04:19 GMT -5
I wonder if any CHARMED fan really has what it takes to post an honest look at Piper's character - both the good and the bad. prue had a nasty side too. she was rough on phoebe. With good reason. Prue wasn't being nasty or hard on Phoebe. Phoebe deserved it. Phoebe was a shoplifter who got arrested (Pre-witched), and she ran with a bad crowd (Hyde School Reunion). Phoebe was the badgirl of the family who was always getting into trouble. Also, Prue had to support Phoebe. Phoebe was a healthy, young, capable woman who chose not to work. Prue had to support Phoebe, and Phoebe would borrow Prue's clothes, car, and computer. Prue only wanted Phoebe to become more responsible (because let's face it, Phoebe was irresponsible), become independent, get a job, take care of herself and not be a grown woman living off her sisters. That's not being hard. Phoebe needed to stop shoplifting and running with bad crowds, and become independent and not live off of her sisters. Phoebe even admitted that she was a troublemaker. |
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Post by micki98 on Sept 28, 2008 1:29:51 GMT -5
LMAO she was a mean person is my opinion. And she was whiny and...I dont know, I couldnt stand her. Of course they all get on my nerves, there just all sluts. Epecially Freebie. . And Prue was never a very *friendly* person. She was the one who was all work and no play. Not true! Prue was very friendly towards her co-workers and innocents. Prue quit her job in the middle of Season two, so she was not all work, and she always had fun with her sisters. They threw parties, and had a good time at Piper’s club. Prue and Piper often double-dated with Jack and Dan. Prue was even dancing with Jack and Bane in the episodes “Ms. Hellfire” and “Reckless Abandon.” Prue even had lots of fun with the baby in "Reckless Abandon." Prue, Piper, and Phoebe spent the day together having fun in "Apocolpyse not." |
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Post by micki98 on Sept 28, 2008 1:31:46 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me about Piper is sometimes she can be a little unfriendly to innocents and to any character, and sometimes is a bit misjudgmental. I agree. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 28, 2008 1:48:41 GMT -5
Hmmm, I wonder how Prue would have gotten along with Elise?
Something tells me Prue would have had slightly less patience with Phoebe's boss than Piper or Paige did.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 28, 2008 10:40:05 GMT -5
Piper and Paige barely interacted with Elise, thus Prue wouldnt interact with her that often and wouldnt care about her.
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Post by ljones on Sept 29, 2008 11:17:46 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Phoebe, I suspect that some of her "bad" behavior can be traced to Prue and Grams' attitude toward her.
I think that Phoebe reminded Prue and Grams too much of Victor and had constantly derided her for not living up to the imaginary family ideal of good behavior. Which I find ironic, considering that Prue and Grams have indulged in some very questionable behavior in their past.
I'm still pissed at Prue and Piper for not dismissing Phoebe's ridiculous theory in "Is There a Woogey in the House?" that she could easily swing toward either good or evil, because she was born in the Manor. ANYONE is just about capable of this. We have certainly seen proof in the all of the sisters' behavior during the series 8 year run.
But Prue and Piper didn't contradict Phoebe, because they honestly believed they were superior to Phoebe. Which goes to show how stupid they really were.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 29, 2008 12:23:24 GMT -5
Can you really blame Piper and Prue for the whole born in the manor thing though? They were still relativly new to the whole magical world and the whole influencing by the "dark" side.
And Prue has stated on more than one occassion how she is basically jelous of Phoebe and her ability to be carefree and not stick to any kind of rules. Prue was brought up to basically be mom 2.0 and to be hard on them.
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Post by ljones on Sept 29, 2008 22:10:11 GMT -5
Yes, I can. All they did was jump to conclusions about Phoebe with very little evidence. They're always jumping to conclusions or making assumptions with very little evidence. It's one of their worst traits. Even worse, their assumption that Phoebe was more prone to evil because she was born inside the manor only proved that as adult women, the sisters knew jack about human nature.
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 9, 2008 13:40:12 GMT -5
I'm sure they had to interact with Elise a lot, offscreen. Just because of the fact that they lived together as sisters, and Elise was always pushing Phoebe to expand her career. Elise probably had a greater presence in the Charmed Ones' daily lives (albeit the boring, mundane, demonless moments) than the writers depicted in the actual episodes.
In "Sense and Sense Ability," we saw Piper keeping her temper under control while talking with Elise on the phone.
In "Show Ghouls," we saw Paige willing to tolerate Elise's b*tchiness to cover for their magic.
Since Elise didn't know the Halliwells' secret, Piper and Paige probably reined in their snark around Elise mainly out of fear of protecting Phoebe. Because of all of Phoebe's "family emergencies," we can probably assume that Piper and Paige did their fair share of covering for Phoebe -- and Elise probably grew weary of their excuses.
Had Prue still been alive, I don't know if she would have been able to hold her tongue when Elise gave her attitude. Prue always struck me as somone who liked getting in the last word when trading verbal barbs with others.
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Post by dylan345 on Aug 19, 2009 18:48:16 GMT -5
Back to the original topic of this thread, I wanted to comment further on the replies about Piper's behavior to Paige.
I found her behavior to Paige to be unneccesarily rude, and upsetting to audience members like me that watched the show first and foremost because of the sisters and their relationships.
I remember the first time I ever saw the two of them hug, and it was really only Paige hugging Piper after she came back from the altered universe in Centennial Charmed. Piper didn't even seem happy to see her at all. I understand that Piper would be hesitant to form a relationship with her right after Prue died, but that shouldn't have lasted longer than a few months, especially considering Paige moved in so quickly and they went through so much together. Paige very obviously wanted to impress both her sisters, and she never got any recognition from Piper for anything.
I can't count the times Piper and Phoebe had nice sister moments after Prue died, even just little things like the two of them sitting side by side while Paige was off somewhere else. Paige almost never felt like their sister. I know in real life people don't always get along perfectly, and I don't expect any of them to get along all the time, but this is a TV show, and the characters should have been written in a warmer fashion than they were.
Basically, you could take the entire magic element out of the show, and have it just be a story about the evolving relationships of the sisters and their day to day lives, and I would still watch it. Ever since we first saw Paige, I waited to see her have a nice relationship with her new found sisters. I didn't have to wait long at all for that with Phoebe, but we never saw that relationship develop at all with Piper. I found that upsetting and disappointing. They could keep the crap seasons (in my opinion) that they gave us for the last three years of Charmed, and I would lovingly watch those episodes over and over again, had Piper and Paige actually managed to have a sisterly relationship where they were close. I think they really had an opportunity to be good friends, but sadly we never got to see that.
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Post by ljones on Aug 23, 2009 11:23:02 GMT -5
I don't think that all TV characters have to be written in a warm fashion. If two characters have difficulty in connecting with one another, then they do. Considering Piper's reaction to Prue's death, I don't find it all that surprising if she never was able to be that close to Paige. It's just part of her character and Piper was not always a nice person. Even when Prue was alive.
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