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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 8:52:15 GMT -5
I've definitely grown to like Piper and Phoebe less and appreciate Prue and Paige more. I think one's opinions just change naturally as you get older, so certain traits of Piper's and Phoebe's that I once found funny now get on my nerves a bit. Particularly now that I am doing my mini-marathon, I've noticed just how pointless Phoebe really is post Season 4; not only does she barely use her powers but she's just an annoying women in general. For example, in 'Valhalley of the Dolls', which I've just watched, she calls the restaurant to essentially stand up that DJ that asked her out, but then gets angry because her beat her to the punch. According to PhoeME, he 'stood her up' because he called the restaurant and not her. Fair enough, I agree... but was she not just about to do the same thing?  If she was already late for the date and about to call him/the restaurant to tell them she's not coming, she HAS stood him up already, no? That's just one example of how stupid the writing became on the show. Maybe at one point I did find that scenario funny, but now I just think, 'If I met you in real life, you would really do my head in!' In terms of the seasons, I really can't stand Season 6. I'm not 100% sure why but I think it must be because of factors such as my example above. That and the combination of too many negative/disagreeable factors makes me wish I could skip the whole season i.e. Paige's yellow hair; Phoebe's crap pixie cut; the sisters not looking or acting like sisters anymore; Leo abandoning his family and then hanging around the house anyway; protecting King Wyatt; hired-for-his-looks Drew and his whining voice; Phoebe and Spencer Ricks; exploding power and potions-throwing galore; Phoebe's bag of tricks empathy; premonitions go missing; Phoebe loses her powers; Magic School; Gideon, the moustache-twirling baddie. I could go on and on and bore everyone into a coma... Conversely, my perception of S5 has changed quite a lot. I used to think that it was just as awful as S6, but when you cut out the fairytale episodes from S5 it actually isn't half bad. It's not the season I wanted, but it's a nice, lighter fare, reminscent of S2. Had they used a different finale to 'Oh My Goddess', I would've happily made that the last season. I think when I next do a marathon I'll stop at 'The Day the Magic Died' (hooray, no bloody Jason Dean to contend with) or even 'Necromancing the Stone'. The only problem is I still like S7 and don't mind S8, so would like to find a way in which I could just bypass S6, open to suggestions... I'd suggest you try a method suggested by Dstarr quite a while ago. It's the way I was going to do it during one of my own re-watches, but I just couldn't get past S4. But since it sounds like you didn't have any problems with that, this might work for you. This is a post from that thread from my re-watch: No, Seer, I'm not. As I've said in a number of other threads (so anyone who's already read this, just skip this post..) I'm doing it a different way in hoping that I'll be able to enjoy more of Charmed than just the first three seasons as I have during previous re-watches. Dstarr was the one who suggested it, but rather than linking to her thread I'll just tell you that she suggested watching S1-4 and skipping S5 & 6 - just pretending that there's a sign that says "Two Years Later". She also suggested SKIPPING the following S7 episodes: A Call to Arms Bare Witch Project Cheaper by the Coven Charrrmed Someone to Witch Over Me Once in a Blue Moon Ordinary Witches Imaginary Friends And, of course, she totally skips the travesty that is S8. She pointed out that doing it this way, the Avatar plot that dragged on for 13 episodes is now limited to 6 and by skipping S5 and S6 and those S7 episodes, their attitudes make more sense - Piper seems to be like she was in S4; Phoebe's experience as Queen of the Underworld seems to have matured her, and the experience has made Paige more comfortable with her sisters. She also said that without the background of the changes in the sisters as shown in S5 and S6, the parts of the Avatar plot that bugged her so much when she watched Seasons Five and Six first didn't bug her as much this way. She also pointed out that this version of Charmed gives Cole and Phoebe better closure. She is very obsessive about Cole, and hates how Kern misused him and turned him into the obsessed stalker in Season 5, making a mockery of his and Phoebe's love. Like me, she said she tends to think that if he really loved Phoebe, instead of stalking and tormenting her, he would leave her alone and let her move on. Besides, his vanquish is a lot more memorable in Season Four than in "Centennial Charmed", besides it truly being Phoebe who helped vanquish him, not an alternate version with Paige’s help. Instead, “Witch Way Now” shows that he had enough strength to return to save her life, but Dstarr interprets on her own that he lost his strength and faded into the limbo that we see in “Seven Year Witch”. And she thinks that him helping her move on by introducing her to Drake makes the perfect closure. That’s why for fans who love Phoebe and Cole (which I don't right now but I might after this rewatch), she thinks that watching these episodes directly after Season Four is so much better. Like me, she also sees very little similarities in what the Avatars in S5 did and the ones in S7 did, so this takes away that consistency problem. I'm also hoping that doing it this way will change my reaction towards Leo and Piper, once my own favorite couple but anything but once Leo became an Elder. I know I liked them as a couple when I rewatched "Scry Hard" and "Little Box of Horrors" on TNT during a vacation, so I hope this will help put them back in that spot. Dstarr said that she likes watching “Styx Feet Under” as the S7 premiere because it has them trying to protect an innocent. She said she thinks it's more suitable than "A Witch's Tale" or "A Call to Arms" since they decided at the end of S4 to keep their powers in order to continue their destiny to help innocents - not protect the Twice Blessed Brat as is shown to be their new destiny in S5 and S6, the reason she skips “Someone to Witch Over Me” and “Imaginary Fiends”. Like me, she can't stand Wyatt having a million powers and being more powerful than his mother and aunts - this way he is never referred to as the Twice Blessed Child and the only powers he shows are orbing and his shield, both which make sense for a baby who has a whitelighter for a father. I'm very eager to see if this change changes my reaction towards Piper, Phoebe, Paige, Leo and Cole, characters I loved before S4 but slowly learned to hate, mainly because of what happens in S5 and S6, but because I've discovered my memory for the earlier episodes has gotten so bad, that's why I'm doing my full re-watch, but done this way. If you want to join me, Seer, I'd love it! Just do it at your own pace and feel free to put your own reactions to the various episodes in my thread. Reality Bites is doing his own re-watch, but is only going to review each season, probably in his own thread. Feel free to do it however you want. Ditto to anyone else, including anyone who wants to do it either Dstarr's way, the entire thing or however else you want to do it. I know there's a fan at a different site who can't stand Prue, so he's starting with Charmed Again and going from there. More power to him! Different strokes for different folks. Oh, doing it this way is *not* something I would recommend to people who are watching Charmed for the first time - some fans do like those missing seasons and I've never felt it's my place to tell people what they should or shouldn't like. And, of course, if they like those seasons (yes, Chrisaholic, I'm especially thinking of you...), then they should watch them and enjoy them. But for anyone who doesn't like the changes in the main characters, I highly recommend giving this a try. Would that work for you, Deano? Wow Es, I really REALLY do like that idea! In fact I am a little jealous that I never thought of it myself  . Now I wish I hadn't subjected myself to 'Oh My Goddess' and my truncated Season 6 - I decided to watch 'Valhalley', 'Love's a Witch', 'My Three Witches', 'Little Monsters', 'Chris-Crossed', 'Used Karma', 'Sleepy Halliwell', 'I Dream of Phoebe' and 'Courtship of...' in order to include enough backstory for Chris without having to endure the most hateful parts of S6. Although now, I think I may just take on Dstarr's method and skip straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - this could actually work rather well because in 'Courtship of...' a lot of things come to a head - Chris' conception; Piper's discovering who Chris is; Leo finally going up to Elderland for good; Gideon being revealed as the one trying to kill Wyatt - and so if I was to pick up right from 'Styx', and imagine a 'One Year Later' sign at the start of the episode, we will find out that Baby Chris has been born but Adult Chris is mysterious gone and that Leo is back on Earth and somehow in conflict with the Elders.... and on it will go throughout S7 as we learn about Chris' death and Gideon's betrayal. That will be just perfect as it also means I can avoid the worst of Phoebe and Leslie as well! Perhaps the next time I do a marathon I will try out Dstarr's method in its entirety - it's just a shame now that I've watched Seasons 5 & 6 so can't really "go back", so to speak. Saying that, I don't mind S5 as much as some fans do so I may keep it in and finish on 'Necromancing the Stone' and jumping to 'Styx Feet Under'. I wonder if Dstarr has a way of doing S5 without Cole actually? My best bet would be to start off with 'The Eyes Have It' (Phoebe says that Cole is "out of town" which just implies that he has not yet shown up and being resurrected in 'Witch Way Now?') and then skipping down to 'House Call' to 'Oh My Goddess'. Of course, I would stop at 'Necromancing' and not include 'House Call', 'Lucky Charmed' or 'Nymphs', but that's just about personal preference. Back to Dstarr's viewing order - I particularly like her preference for Cole not 'coming back' after WWN and how she makes it look as if he faded away and got stuck in his netherworld (as seen in 'Seven Year'. And as I suggested, if you added in 'The Eyes Have It' this may support that idea. Any excuse to get that episode in because I love it! |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 16, 2016 11:23:43 GMT -5
I'd suggest you try a method suggested by Dstarr quite a while ago. It's the way I was going to do it during one of my own re-watches, but I just couldn't get past S4. But since it sounds like you didn't have any problems with that, this might work for you. This is a post from that thread from my re-watch: Would that work for you, Deano? Wow Es, I really REALLY do like that idea! In fact I am a little jealous that I never thought of it myself . Now I wish I hadn't subjected myself to 'Oh My Goddess' and my truncated Season 6 - I decided to watch 'Valhalley', 'Love's a Witch', 'My Three Witches', 'Little Monsters', 'Chris-Crossed', 'Used Karma', 'Sleepy Halliwell', 'I Dream of Phoebe' and 'Courtship of...' in order to include enough backstory for Chris without having to endure the most hateful parts of S6. Although now, I think I may just take on Dstarr's method and skip straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - this could actually work rather well because in 'Courtship of...' a lot of things come to a head - Chris' conception; Piper's discovering who Chris is; Leo finally going up to Elderland for good; Gideon being revealed as the one trying to kill Wyatt - and so if I was to pick up right from 'Styx', and imagine a 'One Year Later' sign at the start of the episode, we will find out that Baby Chris has been born but Adult Chris is mysterious gone and that Leo is back on Earth and somehow in conflict with the Elders.... and on it will go throughout S7 as we learn about Chris' death and Gideon's betrayal. That will be just perfect as it also means I can avoid the worst of Phoebe and Leslie as well! Perhaps the next time I do a marathon I will try out Dstarr's method in its entirety - it's just a shame now that I've watched Seasons 5 & 6 so can't really "go back", so to speak. Saying that, I don't mind S5 as much as some fans do so I may keep it in and finish on 'Necromancing the Stone' and jumping to 'Styx Feet Under'. I wonder if Dstarr has a way of doing S5 without Cole actually? My best bet would be to start off with 'The Eyes Have It' (Phoebe says that Cole is "out of town" which just implies that he has not yet shown up and being resurrected in 'Witch Way Now?') and then skipping down to 'House Call' to 'Oh My Goddess'. Of course, I would stop at 'Necromancing' and not include 'House Call', 'Lucky Charmed' or 'Nymphs', but that's just about personal preference. Back to Dstarr's viewing order - I particularly like her preference for Cole not 'coming back' after WWN and how she makes it look as if he faded away and got stuck in his netherworld (as seen in 'Seven Year'. And as I suggested, if you added in 'The Eyes Have It' this may support that idea. Any excuse to get that episode in because I love it! LOL! If that's what would work for you, then go for it! I really think your current viewing order might work even better than DStarr's, since as you said it makes a better explanation for both Wyatt and Chris. And with how many episodes you take out of both S5 and S6 you may have come up with the perfect "S5/6" - a single season that would take you from "Witch Way Now?" to "Scry Harder". Of course S7 is no longer a full season, but you can always say the show ended halfway through its "sixth season", as it should've. Because you hopped around a bit in this, let me be sure I've got the "Deano Viewing Order" down properly. You'd watch all of S1-4, using Dstarr's explanation for what happens to Cole in "Witch Way Now?" Then you'd skip down to "The Eyes Have it" and continue to "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father", but skipping "House Call", "Lucky Charmed" and "Nymphs Just Wanna Have Fun' in S5. After "Courtship", you'd skip to "Styx Feet Under" and continue with Dstarr's method of viewing S7, although if you wanted to, you could keep ‘Cheaper by the Coven’, ‘Someone to Witch Over Me’ and/or ‘Imaginary Fiends’ since you’d include both Wyatt and Chris as adults, both who Dstarr preferred skipping. Do I have that right? If so, you’ll have to let us know how skipping from "Courtship" to "Styx Feet’ works for you. Personally I prefer your other method of just skipping from "Necromancing" straight to "Styx Feet Under", since the less I have to watch Fuller or Ramsey act as Wyatt or Chris the better, and if as you said, you don’t want to put yourself through the torture of ‘Oh, My Goddess’ or anything in S6, you could definitely let going from ‘Necromancing the Stone’ to ‘Styx Feet Under’ be the "Deano Viewer Order". *sigh* Now, if I could just figure out something that makes sense that would let me skip from "Charmed and Dangerous" to "The Eyes Have It" (with a "One Year Later" sign attached...), I’d be able to follow the rest of this newer Deano viewing order. Now *that* would be the "‘Esmeralda Viewing Order" – and I wouldn’t be surprised if I was the only one who liked it that way… |
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Post by adzpower on Jan 16, 2016 12:28:14 GMT -5
Seasons 1-4
3 month time gap
The Eyes have it
3 month time gap
The Day the Magic Died
Baby’s First Demon
Sense and Sense Ability
Necromancing the Stone
1 year time gap
Styx Feet Under
Someone to Witch over Me – Freaky Phoebe
Death Becomes Them
Something Wicca This Way Goes
The last time I watched through Charmed I made this running order, it can be a little choppy at times but I like the 1 year jump and the viewer trying to work out what has happened in between. I would have been tempted to include the Chris centric episodes because I love Chris-Crossed so much, but much of season 6 was total crap so I missed it out.
This way it ends with the sister’s finding new identities and living normal lives.
Which btw is definitely not my ideal ending.
For me it should have ended with the girls sitting on the steps outside of the manor, contemplating what they’d been through, talking about their losses and their funny stories, then maybe Phoebe exclaims something like “I can’t believe we finally get our lives back”, with Piper answering “This should be interesting” whilst the three of them walk back into the manor while Prue telekinetically shuts the door behind them with her little jingle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 13:55:26 GMT -5
Wow Es, I really REALLY do like that idea! In fact I am a little jealous that I never thought of it myself . Now I wish I hadn't subjected myself to 'Oh My Goddess' and my truncated Season 6 - I decided to watch 'Valhalley', 'Love's a Witch', 'My Three Witches', 'Little Monsters', 'Chris-Crossed', 'Used Karma', 'Sleepy Halliwell', 'I Dream of Phoebe' and 'Courtship of...' in order to include enough backstory for Chris without having to endure the most hateful parts of S6. Although now, I think I may just take on Dstarr's method and skip straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - this could actually work rather well because in 'Courtship of...' a lot of things come to a head - Chris' conception; Piper's discovering who Chris is; Leo finally going up to Elderland for good; Gideon being revealed as the one trying to kill Wyatt - and so if I was to pick up right from 'Styx', and imagine a 'One Year Later' sign at the start of the episode, we will find out that Baby Chris has been born but Adult Chris is mysterious gone and that Leo is back on Earth and somehow in conflict with the Elders.... and on it will go throughout S7 as we learn about Chris' death and Gideon's betrayal. That will be just perfect as it also means I can avoid the worst of Phoebe and Leslie as well! Perhaps the next time I do a marathon I will try out Dstarr's method in its entirety - it's just a shame now that I've watched Seasons 5 & 6 so can't really "go back", so to speak. Saying that, I don't mind S5 as much as some fans do so I may keep it in and finish on 'Necromancing the Stone' and jumping to 'Styx Feet Under'. I wonder if Dstarr has a way of doing S5 without Cole actually? My best bet would be to start off with 'The Eyes Have It' (Phoebe says that Cole is "out of town" which just implies that he has not yet shown up and being resurrected in 'Witch Way Now?') and then skipping down to 'House Call' to 'Oh My Goddess'. Of course, I would stop at 'Necromancing' and not include 'House Call', 'Lucky Charmed' or 'Nymphs', but that's just about personal preference. Back to Dstarr's viewing order - I particularly like her preference for Cole not 'coming back' after WWN and how she makes it look as if he faded away and got stuck in his netherworld (as seen in 'Seven Year'. And as I suggested, if you added in 'The Eyes Have It' this may support that idea. Any excuse to get that episode in because I love it! LOL! If that's what would work for you, then go for it! I really think your current viewing order might work even better than DStarr's, since as you said it makes a better explanation for both Wyatt and Chris. And with how many episodes you take out of both S5 and S6 you may have come up with the perfect "S5/6" - a single season that would take you from "Witch Way Now?" to "Scry Harder". Of course S7 is no longer a full season, but you can always say the show ended halfway through its "sixth season", as it should've. Because you hopped around a bit in this, let me be sure I've got the "Deano Viewing Order" down properly. You'd watch all of S1-4, using Dstarr's explanation for what happens to Cole in "Witch Way Now?" Then you'd skip down to "The Eyes Have it" and continue to "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father", but skipping "House Call", "Lucky Charmed" and "Nymphs Just Wanna Have Fun' in S5 and only watching . After "Courtship", you'd skip to "Styx Feet Under" and continue with Dstarr's method of viewing S7, although if you wanted to, you could keep ‘Cheaper by the Coven’, ‘Someone to Witch Over Me’ and/or ‘Imaginary Fiends’ since you’d include both Wyatt and Chris as adults, both who Dstarr preferred skipping. Do I have that right? If so, you’ll have to let us know how skipping from "Courtship" to "Styx Fee"’ works for you. Personally I prefer your other method of just skipping from "Necromancing" straight to "Styx Feet Under", since the less I have to watch Fuller or Ramsey act as Wyatt and Chris the better, and if as you said, you don’t want to put yourself through the torture of ‘Oh, My Goddess’ or anything in S6, you could definitely let going from ‘Necromancing the Stone’ to ‘Styx Feet Under’ be the "Deano Viewer Order". *sigh* Now, if I could just figure out something that makes sense that would let me skip from "Charmed and Dangerous" to "The Eyes Have It" (with a "One Year Later" sign attached...), I’d be able to follow the rest of this newer Deano viewing order. Now *that* would be the "‘Esmeralda Viewing Order" – and I wouldn’t be surprised if I was the only one who liked it that way… Actually, I think I would now just skip 'Oh My Goddess' and go back to my original plan of finishing Season 5 with 'Necromancing the Stone'. I think I will keep in some S6 episodes purely just so I can see Adult Chris' face and at least have a brief idea of who he is. If you don't mind, Es, I think I am going to make another thread about this as I want to include which episodes I could keep and discard from Season 1-3 as well, that way you can get a better overall picture of my Viewing Order. Also, it would be good to see yours, and others, Viewing Orders all together in one place. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 16, 2016 14:01:10 GMT -5
Seasons 1-4 3 month time gap The Eyes have it 3 month time gap The Day the Magic Died Baby’s First Demon Sense and Sense Ability Necromancing the Stone 1 year time gap Styx Feet Under Someone to Witch over Me – Freaky Phoebe Death Becomes Them Something Wicca This Way Goes The last time I watched through Charmed I made this running order, it can be a little choppy at times but I like the 1 year jump and the viewer trying to work out what has happened in between. I would have been tempted to include the Chris centric episodes because I love Chris-Crossed so much, but much of season 6 was total crap so I missed it out. Oh! I think I like the Adzpower Viewing Order, too. Good job! This way it ends with the sister’s finding new identities and living normal lives. Which btw is definitely not my ideal ending. For me it should have ended with the girls sitting on the steps outside of the manor, contemplating what they’d been through, talking about their losses and their funny stories, then maybe Phoebe exclaims something like “I can’t believe we finally get our lives back”, with Piper answering “This should be interesting” whilst the three of them walk back into the manor while Prue telekinetically shuts the door behind them with her little jingle. Oh, you are *so* very right about that. Yours reminds me of one of my all-time favorite endings, the ending of PiperCharmedPhreak's "Fourever Sisters" which is a rewrite of her "Blessed Be" that she posted at a different site using her "real-life" name (she'll always be PCP to me...). She has an epilogue showing what happens 6 years in the future, but before that, she has this: Chapter 20
Something Wicca…Once More The next day, the sun shone brightly on the steps of the Halliwell Manor. It was only mid-morning, but still the May sun never failed to shine over San Francisco. Phoebe Halliwell sat on the steps clutching a cup of coffee, just as she had eight years earlier- after releasing their powers. She let out a sigh as she looked around. Finally, the front door creaked open. “Phoebe!” Piper said excitedly. “How long have you been out here?” She asked closing the door behind her. “Not too long.” Phoebe replied. “I couldn’t sleep last night and I felt that this was the right place to be, at the Manor.” “Phoebs, if I knew you were out here I would have let you inside.” Piper insisted. Phoebe shook her head. “No, I’m fine out here. It’s okay.” At that moment, Paige drove up to Manor curb in her green Volkswagen Beetle. Stepping out of the car she waved to her sisters. “Good morning! I just wanted to take some cliff notes on the Book for my apartment.” She said cheerfully, walking up the steps to stand next to her sisters. “Where are you headed?” She asked as she took a look at Piper’s professional looking attire. Piper bit her lip. “I’m going to meet someone about extending P3 into a restaurant.” Paige widened her eyes. “Piper! That’s great! Why didn’t you tell us before?” Piper shrugged. “Well I’m still not sure if this is something I want to do. I didn’t want to let everyone down if I backed out of it.” Phoebe narrowed her eyes at Piper. “Don’t be silly Piper. You’ve always wanted to own your own restaurant. I say you go through with it.” Paige nodded in agreement. Piper looked down at her watch. “I’ve got some time to spare before my meeting. What do you guys say we walk down to the café and have a cup of coffee?” “I’m up for that.” Phoebe said. “Me too.” Paige agreed. “The Book will always be there for later.” Together, the three stepped down the stairs and onto the sidewalk. Into the morning, the sisters walked together, smiling, laughing, and talking with one another. And as strange as it would seem, each of them could have sworn that Prue was there too, sharing the fun. If rather than going to the cafe, they use your idea of going back into the Manor and then ending it with Prue closing the door with her jingle, that really would be a perfect ending. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 16, 2016 14:05:33 GMT -5
LOL! If that's what would work for you, then go for it! I really think your current viewing order might work even better than DStarr's, since as you said it makes a better explanation for both Wyatt and Chris. And with how many episodes you take out of both S5 and S6 you may have come up with the perfect "S5/6" - a single season that would take you from "Witch Way Now?" to "Styz Feet Under". Of course S7 is no longer a full season, but you can always say the show ended halfway through its "sixth season", as it should've. Because you hopped around a bit in this, let me be sure I've got the "Deano Viewing Order" down properly. You'd watch all of S1-4, using Dstarr's explanation for what happens to Cole in "Witch Way Now?" Then you'd skip down to "The Eyes Have it" and continue to "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father", but skipping "House Call", "Lucky Charmed" and "Nymphs Just Wanna Have Fun' in S5. After "Courtship", you'd skip to "Styx Feet Under" and continue with Dstarr's method of viewing S7, although if you wanted to, you could keep ‘Cheaper by the Coven’, ‘Someone to Witch Over Me’ and/or ‘Imaginary Fiends’ since you’d include both Wyatt and Chris as adults, both who Dstarr preferred skipping. Do I have that right? If so, you’ll have to let us know how skipping from "Courtship" to "Styx Feet’ works for you. Personally I prefer your other method of just skipping from "Necromancing" straight to "Styx Feet Under", since the less I have to watch Fuller or Ramsey act as Wyatt and Chris the better, and if as you said, you don’t want to put yourself through the torture of ‘Oh, My Goddess’ or anything in S6, you could definitely let going from ‘Necromancing the Stone’ to ‘Styx Feet Under’ be the "Deano Viewer Order". *sigh* Now, if I could just figure out something that makes sense that would let me skip from "Charmed and Dangerous" to "The Eyes Have It" (with a "One Year Later" sign attached...), I’d be able to follow the rest of this newer Deano viewing order. Now *that* would be the "‘Esmeralda Viewing Order" – and I wouldn’t be surprised if I was the only one who liked it that way… Actually, I think I would now just skip 'Oh My Goddess' and go back to my original plan of finishing Season 5 with 'Necromancing the Stone'. I think I will keep in some S6 episodes purely just so I can see Adult Chris' face and at least have a brief idea of who he is. If you don't mind, Es, I think I am going to make another thread about this as I want to include which episodes I could keep and discard from Season 1-3 as well, that way you can get a better overall picture of my Viewing Order. Also, it would be good to see yours, and others, Viewing Orders all together in one place. That sounds like a *very* good idea. We've definitely gone off-topic, although I think if more people would re-watch Charmed and skipped the episodes Dstarr, you and/or Adspower suggest, the fandom would be in a much more healthy emotional state because we would all enjoy the show so much more. Thanks to you, Adspower and Dstarr wherever she is for lighting a candle rather than cursing the darkness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 8:04:33 GMT -5
Glad you appreciated the comparisons. It didn't really become clear to me until finishing the first half of OUAT season 5. Funny how the fifth season seems like the point of no return for both shows! As I say, the reason I intend to keep watching is due to the love I once had for it; just like Charmed. Well, that... and there's also the fact that OUAT are starting a Greek mythology arc when they return in March. I love Greek mythology, so I'll be taking that bait. Although considering how much it's becoming like Charmed, I am more than a little nervous at the prospect of them doing this in season 5 of all seasons! I'll just pray that it doesn't end up like "Nymphs" or "Oh My Goddess". Yeah, Season Five of any series seems to be the turning point - will the show continue to be good or will it go downhill? A shame that OUAT is following the same path Charmed did. Are OUAT fans writing fanfics based on the problems of the series? If so, they'd probably still be discussing their show ten years after it ends. If not, more likely than not, the fans will go onto other fandoms. I'm not sure to be honest. I know that Once fans seem to have quite a big online presence, so maybe. There are some comics and books; all of which seem to have been set within the first two seasons so far... which I personally think says a lot since we're now half way through season 5. Yeah when I think of shows I loved: Charmed, Once, Buffy, Merlin... season 5 was either the start of the decline or the point where they probably should have started thinking about finishing. One of my favourite shows is Angel and I spent a lot of time annoyed that it was cancelled after season 5 by the network; but in hindsight, looking at this trend, maybe that's why it still remains one of my favourites. Given the choice between what we got (a brilliant series conclusion in comic book form) and what we might have had (another show run into the ground by season 7 or 8), I'm glad Angel ended up with the former. One thing from what I noted: I know you say Rumple is the Cole of the show, but from your description of how both he and Killian went downhill it sounds to me like they're sharing the role of Cole and not in a good way. Yes that's true. Rumple shares Cole's repetitious flip-flopping between good and evil, while Killian is the "bad boy turned good" trope that all the shippers swoon over (though after this season, I'd say the "turned good" bit is B.S). The Killian and Emma story this season was rather similar to what we had with Phoebe and Cole in season 4. Both were infected by evil, both gave in to the evil, both did evil things... but one constantly has excuses made for them and needs saving, while the other is just evil and needs killing. The blatant double standard that the writers have for them is very similar to how Phoebe and Cole were treated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 12:31:41 GMT -5
Yeah when I think of shows I loved: Charmed, Once, Buffy, Merlin... season 5 was either the start of the decline or the point where they probably should have started thinking about finishing. One of my favourite shows is Angel and I spent a lot of time annoyed that it was cancelled after season 5 by the network; but in hindsight, looking at this trend, maybe that's why it still remains one of my favourites. Given the choice between what we got (a brilliant series conclusion in comic book form) and what we might have had (another show run into the ground by season 7 or 8), I'm glad Angel ended up with the former. I feel the same way, although for me, the "Jump the Shark" point for my favorite shows seems to be Season 3 or 4: Bewitched: Season 3 - Show was now in color - Gladys Kravitz was recast and written as meaner - Tabitha was now a toddler and started to drive more of the plots with her young magical hijinks - Show's writing started to get noticeably sillier and more repetitive BH 90210: Season 3 - Became less focused on the Walshes and more focused on Kelly Taylor - First major story arc to revolve around a love triangle: Brenda/Dylan/Kelly - Storylines started becoming soapier and less realistic, more focused on romance drama - The writing for many of the characters noticeably changed for the worse, especially in the case of Brenda, Dylan, and Kelly Sabrina the Teenage Witch: Season 4 - New opening credits were boring and had bland, annoying music - Valerie and Libby were dumped for the forgettable Dreama and Brad, respectively - Boring Josh and his equally boring coffee house were introduced - Sabrina and Harvey were split up and forced into an annoying, boring love triangle with Josh - The Aunts' main story revolved around running a clock shop, of all things - Dreama's storyline was dropped in the middle of the season, while Brad's was given a rushed, horribly anticlimactic ending Pretty Little Liars: Season 3 - Start of new, less tightly-written A mystery - Older secondary characters like Jenna, Melissa, Noel, Wren, and Jason started to take a backseat to new ones like Cece and Shana - Show began pandering more overtly to Aria/Ezra and Spencer/Toby shippers - Maya death mystery at the start of season was the first storyline to really be irrelevant filler (since it had no link to the main A mystery) - Had a horrible, anticlimactic finale that led into a mediocre-at-best, atrocious-at-worst Seasons 4-6 Even in the case of Charmed, I increasingly feel that the shark jumping began in Season 3 instead of Season 5. That was when the show began to shift away from protecting innocents to hunting demons, and that was also the first season that I started to find Piper and Phoebe's characters rather annoying. |
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Post by farerb on Jan 18, 2016 5:40:14 GMT -5
I thought that season 5 of Angel was disconnected from the rest of the series. If Angel had continued, then it might have made sense, but now I kind of wished that it would have ended in s4.
I actually liked Buffy s6-7.
OUAT should have ended in 311. It just wasn't the same show afterwards.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jan 18, 2016 14:06:32 GMT -5
Same with Supernatural season 5 although I still love it.
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 20, 2016 5:16:11 GMT -5
As I told, five seasons are the best and love stories'ld not have solution during the various seasons, onlyat the end of the serie
I stopped to have a look at Bones when the protagonists got married, even an original character as Brennan has become prosaic with marriage and the scintillating Angela lost any role
I could say the same thing about Castle, which I followed for five seasons: time goes by, children grow and the funny relationship between an immature father and a wise daughter loses appeal once the daughter turns adult
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 2:03:21 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else knows about this, but apparently, the Charmed TWoP message boards have been completely preserved on the Wayback: web.archive.org/web/20140413010911/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/forum/591-charmed/It's incredibly rare that forums end up on the Wayback completely intact like this (usually just the home page gets saved, but none of the threads), so this is certainly a treat. If you want a good snapshot of what Charmed fandom was like when the show was still on, look no further than the TWoP boards. The posts go from January 2004 through June 2006, so it covers the last 2 1/2 seasons of the show. VERY interesting to see how fan perspectives on the show (and its cast) have shifted since then. The site is also an incredible resource for things like Nielsen ratings, old articles/interviews, and other info about the show that has long since vanished from the web. You never know what you might discover digging through those 10+ year old threads. Some of you may recognize many prominent, now long-gone, people from the fandom there (including the founders of the now defunct Charmed Sons campaign, Lisa and Donna). |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 23, 2016 19:51:35 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else knows about this, but apparently, the Charmed TWoP message boards have been completely preserved on the Wayback: web.archive.org/web/20140413010911/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/forum/591-charmed/It's incredibly rare that forums end up on the Wayback completely intact like this (usually just the home page gets saved, but none of the threads), so this is certainly a treat. If you want a good snapshot of what Charmed fandom was like when the show was still on, look no further than the TWoP boards. The posts go from January 2004 through June 2006, so it covers the last 2 1/2 seasons of the show. VERY interesting to see how fan perspectives on the show (and its cast) have shifted since then. The site is also an incredible resource for things like Nielsen ratings, old articles/interviews, and other info about the show that has long since vanished from the web. You never know what you might discover digging through those 10+ year old threads. Some of you may recognize many prominent, now long-gone, people from the fandom there (including the founders of the now defunct Charmed Sons campaign, Lisa and Donna). Your welcome. It was a crazy month or so, but when Cyma mentioned in this thread that it was shutting down that part of the site, I decided to do something about it, since I had shortly prior to that discovered how to manually archive stuff there because of a website I am on that resets almost everything once a year. If I want to access a thread at a later point, I have to archive it. I've also archived a lot of threads on this site. It's time consuming, but it is totally worth it. Considering the time involved and the time constraint when I was archiving it, I've read very little of them, but I kept going and going until it was all there. Glad to help. It was my first mass archiving project and I'd say my most successful. Trust me, there are a lot fewer threads and a lot fewer pages to archive than the site I am currently working on, but with that one I have until the end of September to get them archived. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 0:14:30 GMT -5
Your welcome. It was a crazy month or so, but when Cyma mentioned in this thread that it was shutting down that part of the site, I decided to do something about it, since I had shortly prior to that discovered how to manually archive stuff there because of a website I am on that resets almost everything once a year. If I want to access a thread at a later point, I have to archive it. I've also archived a lot of threads on this site. It's time consuming, but it is totally worth it. Considering the time involved and the time constraint when I was archiving it, I've read very little of them, but I kept going and going until it was all there. Glad to help. It was my first mass archiving project and I'd say my most successful. Trust me, there are a lot fewer threads and a lot fewer pages to archive than the site I am currently working on, but with that one I have until the end of September to get them archived. Wow, I had no idea you had gone through the trouble of saving all of those threads. That must've been a ton of work. You certainly deserve a big thanks for saving that very important part of Charmed fandom history.  I wish I had known you knew how to archive pages on the Wayback when TCS was shutting down, because there was a lot worth saving there, too. Hard to believe how many Charmed boards have vanished over the past decade.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 1:27:55 GMT -5
Thanks, Storygirl. Charmed fans really owe you one here.
As I have said, this seems to be the last one, or at least the last one that gets any significant activity.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 26, 2016 14:57:03 GMT -5
Yeah, if only more fans who were on both sites (here and TCS) would have appeared more, I wouldn't have asked to shut it down for good. It's not fun to speak with only yourself!! And besides, anyone has their own priorities. Still, after having a rerun for 10 years now (since the show had officially ended, even here in Germany), I can't watch it anymore with knowing all already. *sighs*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 18:35:19 GMT -5
The TSC board had to be shut down, Jana. you were literally the last one that went there on a regular basis (although Storygirl did pop in and out from time to time).
The board was a ghost town, just ready for trolls and spammers to move in. And thanks to Aretha's horrible mismanagement, you or the other Mods would have been virtually powerless to stop them.
If anyone is to blame for the demise of the TCS board, it's Aretha. She abandoned her duties as Admin. If real life was getting in the way, she should have hired a replacement.
Sadly, it's the same here. while there is a lot of posting, this board has no staff anymore. That's why things like Fan Fiction contests and such don't happen anymore, there is no one left to run them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 20:05:05 GMT -5
If anyone is to blame for the demise of the TCS board, it's Aretha. She abandoned her duties as Admin. If real life was getting in the way, she should have hired a replacement. This is what I don't get. She claimed that she was too busy in RL to be there all the time, which is why she hired Staff. So, why didn't she give her Staff any powers to actually run the site? Why did she fire you for doing exactly what she had hired you do do in the first place?!!?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 20:38:58 GMT -5
Aretha had trust issues, that's the only reason I can think of.
For those of you that are curious, those Mods she hired could lock threads, but that was it. They could not ban anyone, they could not move, edit, or delete posts. So, what good were they?
The only one that could really do anything was Aretha, and she was never there. That's NO way to run a board.
And she's done the same thing here. Jackie, while an Admin in title, has less powers than I do at Glued To The Screen (I can ban people, a power I've thankfully never had to invoke). Jackie can't ban people, nor can she hire any new staff. It's no wonder she's hardly even here, she has literally no power to do anything to effectively run this board.
Those who are members of Glued To The Screen know that Betty and I are there every day. So if a crisis happens, or if a troll or spammer invades, we quickly deal with it.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 28, 2016 16:47:30 GMT -5
Your welcome. It was a crazy month or so, but when Cyma mentioned in this thread that it was shutting down that part of the site, I decided to do something about it, since I had shortly prior to that discovered how to manually archive stuff there because of a website I am on that resets almost everything once a year. If I want to access a thread at a later point, I have to archive it. I've also archived a lot of threads on this site. It's time consuming, but it is totally worth it. Considering the time involved and the time constraint when I was archiving it, I've read very little of them, but I kept going and going until it was all there. Glad to help. It was my first mass archiving project and I'd say my most successful. Trust me, there are a lot fewer threads and a lot fewer pages to archive than the site I am currently working on, but with that one I have until the end of September to get them archived. Wow, I had no idea you had gone through the trouble of saving all of those threads. That must've been a ton of work. You certainly deserve a big thanks for saving that very important part of Charmed fandom history. I wish I had known you knew how to archive pages on the Wayback when TCS was shutting down, because there was a lot worth saving there, too. Hard to believe how many Charmed boards have vanished over the past decade. I wish I knew how to do it when it was shut down, but that was one of the things that prompted me to learn how to archive pages using the Wayback machine. And yes, it was a ton of work, but worth it. Definitely worth it. |
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If she was already late for the date and about to call him/the restaurant to tell them she's not coming, she HAS stood him up already, no?
. Now I wish I hadn't subjected myself to 'Oh My Goddess' and my truncated Season 6 - I decided to watch 'Valhalley', 'Love's a Witch', 'My Three Witches', 'Little Monsters', 'Chris-Crossed', 'Used Karma', 'Sleepy Halliwell', 'I Dream of Phoebe' and 'Courtship of...' in order to include enough backstory for Chris without having to endure the most hateful parts of S6. 
