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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 16:24:31 GMT -5
That's the hilarious thing. It's just like when the fans said they wanted to find out more about the magical community and we got fairies and trolls and leprechauns, oh, my! It's also just like all of us fans being so excited about Season Eight - and we all know what happened... It's the infamous "Beware of what you wish for - you might get it!" It keeps showing why I'll stick with fanfics! Then I can get what I want without screwing it up - even if a number of other fans will think I did! Sometimes what we need or want isn't what we should get. Its why I respect Joss Whedon of Buffy, he said exactly the same thing, that what fans want isn't what they need. I respect shows more when they dont fan service a show, its always a hit and miss, and in more ways can ruin a good show. Joss Whedon has some nerve. If he really said that then he needs to look in a mirror and repeat it back to himself. There isn't any reason for why Spike wasn't staked by Buffy beside the fact that he was a fan favorite. Spuffy was one big fanservice in and of itself. So Charmed dudes and dudettes, there's a fandom becoming exactly like ours right now as I speak. The Arrow fandom has made many complaints about the later seasons sucking and the earlier seasons being better(specifically the first two). Arrow will come back from it's Winter break soon, and we already have fans suggesting to new comers to stick to the early seasons. The sad thing is Arrow is only on it's fourth season so it'll probably continue for 3 or more years because it's on theCW. Supernatural is also similar to Charmed in that I was a fan of the early seasons but it's now been on for ten years. Ten years! It seems the Supernatural fandom is fine with it's decline in quality but I honestly feel like there's some inside joke I'm not getting. I haven't watched past season 5 or 6 and don't plan on watching the rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 18:10:16 GMT -5
One has to wonder what would have happened had Twitter existed when Charmed was on. Hard to believe that modern Social Media didn't exist in those days, it was only ten years ago, after all.
From what I understand, it was Marti Noxen that become obsessed with Spike. If Whedon is to be faulted for anything in this regard, it would be not reining Noxen in.
SPN was only supposed to run five years, but the CW kept renewing it. I guess it will keep going until either the ratings tank, or if Jensen and/or Jared want to quit.
I've been critical of the CW in the past, but I have to say that they've improved greatly since Dawn Ostroff got the boot. The era of Gossip Girl is over, thank God.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 28, 2015 23:46:33 GMT -5
So Charmed dudes and dudettes, there's a fandom becoming exactly like ours right now as I speak. The Arrow fandom has made many complaints about the later seasons sucking and the earlier seasons being better(specifically the first two). Arrow will come back from it's Winter break soon, and we already have fans suggesting to new comers to stick to the early seasons. The sad thing is Arrow is only on it's fourth season so it'll probably continue for 3 or more years because it's on theCW. Wait, I thought season 4 was actually recovering much the goodwill that season 3 had lost with the exception of Laurel being a shortsighted dumbass early on. |
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Post by Sadrick on Dec 28, 2015 23:50:30 GMT -5
I think it has to do with the fact that the flaws are so glaringly apparent in half or arguably more of the series that we can't help but discuss what has helped define a large portion of the show. Most of the serious criticisms are directed towards this. People tend to have fonder memories of the first two seasons. The complaints with those seasons mostly had to do with certain individual episodes plots, Jenny, and the love triangle. SPN was only supposed to run five years, but the CW kept renewing it. I guess it will keep going until either the ratings tank, or if Jensen and/or Jared want to quit. I'll definitely admit that the latter years of SPN haven't been the greatest, but compared to S5-8 of Charmed, it's by and large a superior handling of a show after having the original creator leave. Plus, it's been gradually building up since Season 8 and now I'm hearing that Season 11 is the best seen so far from the Carver years. Some have even claimed that it's more comparable to S4-5 of the original show. It's a contender for being one of the better seasons. Who knows? It might even break into the top 5 best if the quality remains as good as we saw in the mid-season finale. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 0:25:08 GMT -5
SPN hasn't done too badly for a show only meant to run five years, now heading into its second decade.
And I agree, later seasons SPN may have had some flaws, but it still blows later seasons SPN out of the water any day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 1:23:16 GMT -5
One has to wonder what would have happened had Twitter existed when Charmed was on. Hard to believe that modern Social Media didn't exist in those days, it was only ten years ago, after all. Twitter was first launched on July 15, 2006, and Facebook first opened to the public on September 26, 2006, mere months after Charmed aired its final episode. Charmed really was the last pre-Social Media fandom. It seems so quaint now that Lisa and Donna actually did a letter-writing campaign to try to bring attention to TCS, mostly to no avail. When Charmed was on the air, it was largely still an era in which fans had little-to-no contact with the writers and producers. They couldn't do anything but send angry emails/letters in futility or vent on a blog/message board and hope they got noticed. Back then, it was very easy for someone like Brad Kern to completely ignore the fandom. Nowadays, everyone's on Facebook and Twitter, and fans are constantly interacting with the writers, producers, and actors, for better or worse. It's way harder for a showrunner to ignore angry fans, so you see a lot more fan-pandering on shows, nowadays. Again, PLL is probably one of the very worst examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 12:24:34 GMT -5
As the immortal Maxwell Smart would say: "Missed it by that much!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 14:54:38 GMT -5
So Charmed dudes and dudettes, there's a fandom becoming exactly like ours right now as I speak. The Arrow fandom has made many complaints about the later seasons sucking and the earlier seasons being better(specifically the first two). Arrow will come back from it's Winter break soon, and we already have fans suggesting to new comers to stick to the early seasons. The sad thing is Arrow is only on it's fourth season so it'll probably continue for 3 or more years because it's on theCW. Wait, I thought season 4 was actually recovering much the goodwill that season 3 had lost with the exception of Laurel being a shortsighted dumbass early on. Nope. Oliver is even more neutered than he was in season 3. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 29, 2015 15:46:15 GMT -5
Wait, I thought season 4 was actually recovering much the goodwill that season 3 had lost with the exception of Laurel being a shortsighted dumbass early on. Nope. Oliver is even more neutered than he was in season 3. He's trying to switch up from being a vigilante to more of a true hero. Unlike in season 3, when he was so caught up in being vigilante that the best "brilliant plan" he could come up with was a suicidal reverse-mole spy mission. My problem is how many times he has to get called out by his own people despite the story making it clear he's learned from his mistakes, but other than that I'm fine with the season and most of the people I've seen are. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 29, 2015 17:44:46 GMT -5
Sometimes what we need or want isn't what we should get. Its why I respect Joss Whedon of Buffy, he said exactly the same thing, that what fans want isn't what they need. I respect shows more when they dont fan service a show, its always a hit and miss, and in more ways can ruin a good show. Joss Whedon has some nerve. If he really said that then he needs to look in a mirror and repeat it back to himself. There isn't any reason for why Spike wasn't staked by Buffy beside the fact that he was a fan favorite. Spuffy was one big fanservice in and of itself. So Charmed dudes and dudettes, there's a fandom becoming exactly like ours right now as I speak. The Arrow fandom has made many complaints about the later seasons sucking and the earlier seasons being better(specifically the first two). Arrow will come back from it's Winter break soon, and we already have fans suggesting to new comers to stick to the early seasons. The sad thing is Arrow is only on it's fourth season so it'll probably continue for 3 or more years because it's on theCW. Supernatural is also similar to Charmed in that I was a fan of the early seasons but it's now been on for ten years. Ten years! It seems the Supernatural fandom is fine with it's decline in quality but I honestly feel like there's some inside joke I'm not getting. I haven't watched past season 5 or 6 and don't plan on watching the rest. I think Arrow is fine the way it is except for the island flashbacks this year I think they need to cut them there's really no point with the Island thing anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 11:53:58 GMT -5
It says a lot that this thread started turning more positive when people started talking about other shows instead of Charmed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 12:37:40 GMT -5
That's part of the problem. The other shows discussed here, such as Arrow, continue to make new episodes. So there is plenty for fans to discuss, both past and upcoming storylines.
However, the same cannot be said for Charmed. The cameras stopped rolling on Charmed almost a decade ago now, and, the comics and Fan Fictions notwithstanding, there has been NO new material produced since. And since the chance of any continuation is slim to none, the fandom is slowly dwindling away. Sadly, it seems Charmed will be just a footnote in the era of 90's/00's popular culture.
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Post by adzpower on Dec 30, 2015 12:50:58 GMT -5
Just a quick note on Arrow, God I hope they ditch the flashbacks, they have been so boring for two seasons now!
But back to Charmed, I said this earlier and I agree with Tim as well, there just isn't enough new material to keep the franchise afloat anymore.
And it's not that there isn't any new episodes, Buffy continues to thrive without any new TV episodes, it has books, comic books, new merch etc, tons of stuff to keep people talking. Charmed just has the lacklustre (at least recently) comics. That's it. Barely any fan conventions, no books except those new e-books that almost no one is buying. No merch, I long for Charmed to get some of those pop vinyl figures, I'd love those to put on my shelf!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 18:00:13 GMT -5
No doubt because Joss Whedon himself has remained actively involved in Buffy fandom. He talks to the fans, he's fully involved with the comics (hence them being considered official canon), he goes to conventions. As I said, he's someone Buffy fans can rally around.
As far as I know, neither Constance Burge nor Brad Kern has remained involved in Charmed fandom that way.
Fans alone aren't enough to keep interest in a franchise alive. Officialdom must also do it's part. In that case of Charmed, that hasn't happened, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 19:05:20 GMT -5
That's the problem with Charmed; there's just nothing to look forward to anymore. No new episodes will never be made, no spinoff will ever be made, no movie will ever be made, the writers and producers have moved on, the actors haven't been doing much, the comics are going downhill, there's rarely any conventions, and so on. What else is there left for fans to do but endlessly pick the show apart until we drive ourselves crazy? A lot of people may have hated the 2013 reboot idea, but you can't deny that it gave this board a much-needed shot of life. There was a sudden influx of new members, and you were seeing people doing things other than arguing and whining about the later seasons/Kern/WB/the sisters/Leo/Cole/Chris/etc. Even those who hated the reboot idea suddenly found themselves saying good things about the show. For once, Charmed fans had something new and official to occupy themselves with. However, once the reboot was pronounced dead, it was right back to the same old crap. It says a lot when even this site's own Staff Members want nothing to do with the place anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 1:30:21 GMT -5
It's a wonder there's any fandom left at all. Usually people move on once it becomes clear that a franchise is dead, and Charmed is clearly a dead, or dying franchise. If the comics go under, IMO, that will be all she wrote.
At least this board is still here. Look at all the Charmed message boards that have gone belly up over the last decade. This is literally the last one standing. Yeah, we don't have a staff anymore, but at least the board itself is still around.
Without the Cafe, where would Charmed fans have left to go?
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Post by Chrisaholic on Dec 31, 2015 10:22:38 GMT -5
Seems to be that way for "Charmed". The channel WB, the producers and all staff around had opportunities to get the show in a new direction (whatever way: new actresses, Spin-off with whomever or anything else) but they didn't take those. So now we're talking about a show which is over for nearly 10 years. Nothing anew (besides the comics - maybe) and endless re-runs. What else is there to say?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 15:29:47 GMT -5
Despite what we've been discussing in this thread, the status quo is alive and well elsewhere on the site: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/11503/myths-on-charmedthecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/11494/charmedthecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/11478/demons-charmed-buffy-angel Look, I get it. Charmed was a flawed show. But, it's just so tiring to constantly see threads picking it apart and comparing it unfavorably to other shows. Do you think that Buffy fans are constantly moaning about how much their show's later seasons suck and why Supernatural is way better? Of course, not! Let me propose a question to us all: Is Charmed a show that you would recommend to other people? Be honest. I know most Buffy and Supernatural fans would unquestionably recommend their shows to other people, but I'm not sure if Charmed fans would do the same. (In fact, I can think of two very specific people here who I will not name that I definitely cannot see recommending Charmed to others.) |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 31, 2015 18:51:36 GMT -5
I would recommend Charmed to other people if they wanted to watch the show and have them see all seasons first to get the feel of it and decide what they think then if like me they prefer seasons 1-4 end the best and 6 kinder afterwards or something else then I'd tell them to skip the rest and just view their favourites during the next reruns etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 19:03:33 GMT -5
I would recommend Seasons One through Four. That was Charmed at its best, IMO.
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