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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 25, 2008 16:36:27 GMT -5
Wyatt,even though the little twist they through in to get them were kind of weak in my opinion, but I am not a big fan of twist. Although Melinda would have been fine in my book, I can honestly understand why the writers would have chosen Wyatt, I mean she would have acted a lot alike to Wyatt but I think she had the possibility of being a Billie and Paige clone. Of course we would probably never see here learning the craft, seeing as she is too young, but I believe that the fanfic writers would be writing stories of that. I honestly think it would just be another Charmed one. On Wyatt's side however, if that were to happen, then it would be taken on a different note. I always saw the men in the show being more subjectible to evil. If it were Melinda, she would have a lot of women influences(The Charmed Ones) and I would think that they would have become her idols. But in Wyatt's side, his interaction with Leo has always been my favorite part. At the young age he was, Leo seemed to be the only male role model in his life, since Cole died before he was born, making it a harder and more interesting job to make sure Leo was a good influence on his son. And then there is Chris, who doesn't really stick around long enough in my book to be a big influence on Wyatt. At first Wyatt didn't trust him, it wasn't untill later that he started trusting him, and then Chirs died, ohwell. Their grandpa on the other hand, had limited onscreen interaction for me to really debate whether or not he interacted with Wyatt a lot. Although judging by Chris and Victor's relationship, I guess Wyatt could have also had some nice interaction with their grandpa, but it is mostly Leo,IMO, that influences Wyatt the most. Ok, I hope that makes sense,  . Post what you think. Edit:I edited it arounnd a little to try and fix my mistakes. if you just read it then, I guess you have to reread it. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 25, 2008 17:52:56 GMT -5
While I know why they went with Wyatt (The whole shock factor). I was waiting for Melinda to show up since we saw her in Morality Bites and was very upset when Piper popped out a boy. And since I know how Wyatt turns out in the show, I still prefer Melinda. But if they kept Wyatt and wanted Piper to get preggers again, they should have had her pop out Melinda instead of Chris. We shouldnt have had to wait for the series finale just to see that.
And they should have gone the Grams route when Wyatt was first born aka the Halliwell women are not suppose to give birth to boys and it was a magical fluke or something.
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Post by ljones on Sept 25, 2008 17:59:52 GMT -5
It never bothered me, one way or the other. I never understood why Burge and Kern only allowed the women in the Warren line to have magical abilities. Seemed rather sexist to me.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 25, 2008 18:12:21 GMT -5
It never bothered me, one way or the other. I never understood why Burge and Kern only allowed the women in the Warren line to have magical abilities. Seemed rather sexist to me. I agree. There are plenty of male wiccans, so I don't understand the whole, only giving girls powers thing. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 25, 2008 20:03:48 GMT -5
That was supposedly just how their lineage worked out. But I did wish that they made Paige into a male instead of female to really shake things up.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 25, 2008 20:11:20 GMT -5
That would be interesting. But it kind of would go agaisn't the empowering woman theme they set up for the show.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 25, 2008 20:27:09 GMT -5
Well its not like they exactly stuck to that theme after the season.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 25, 2008 20:28:17 GMT -5
What women empowering thing? That went bye-bye as soon as Burge left and Kern took over. Males became dominant from there on in as the sisters became weak sissies who might have powers, but were lost without their men. The fact that they forced all three into marriages and three kids (and we only know for sure the name of the three boys in the next generation..Wyatt, Chris and Henry Jr--and can *anyone* really see our independent Paige naming her son THAT??--AND one of the grandsons--Matthew) tells you that.
In case you can't tell, I would've prefered Wyatt to be Melinda and Chris to be Christina and Henry Jr to be Paige Jr! I was especially irritated at the whole Twice-Blessed Child crap, making Wyatt more powerful than the sisters. I would've felt that way even if Wyatt were Melinda.
But the two timelines were definitely different...no Prue in the future...and we have no idea if it was even real or just an alternate reality the Elders showed them in order to teach them the lesson they never learned...their job was to protect the innocents, not just their own families and wrong things done for the right reasons are still wrong.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 25, 2008 20:41:07 GMT -5
Morality Bites was the future they were heading towards had Leo not intervened. So it was real and not created by the Elders.
And frankly I wanted them to head towards a version of that future during the remaining seasons. It wouldve given them some great storylines.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 25, 2008 21:26:08 GMT -5
I didn't mean it in terms of magical power. Yes I know males are really powerful, but the sisters in perticlular are strong willed individuals. I think that is what the fans of the show were looking for,and if Paige were to be a man, then it could have jeapordized the whole idea of the show, and I wouldn't think it would fill the void that Prue left.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 25, 2008 23:35:44 GMT -5
Morality Bites was the future they were heading towards had Leo not intervened. So it was real and not created by the Elders. And frankly I wanted them to head towards a version of that future during the remaining seasons. It wouldve given them some great storylines. Leo had nothing to do with what happened in Morality Bites...in the present time, he just did what the Elders told him to do--he had no idea that the sisters were being sent to the future. In the future, he tried to stop them from helping Phoebe. It was purely the Elders who sent them forward and then brought them back. I truly think it was a fake future, trying to teach them a lesson. That's what Leo told Piper. And I personally think that they ARE headed for that future, espeically because I don't think Forever Charmed really happened...just Piper's delusion as she almost died. |
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Post by ljones on Sept 26, 2008 11:39:43 GMT -5
Considering that most of the strong male characters on the show were either weakened, killed or simply sent away; I would say that Kern stuck with Burge's empowering theme.
The problem with both Burge and Kern is their idea of female empowerment is to ensure that the men in the Halliwell circle are either weakened, remain weak or destroyed. Wyatt, being Piper's son, seemed to be the only exception.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 26, 2008 12:44:01 GMT -5
Morality Bites was the future they were heading towards had Leo not intervened. So it was real and not created by the Elders. And frankly I wanted them to head towards a version of that future during the remaining seasons. It wouldve given them some great storylines. Leo had nothing to do with what happened in Morality Bites...in the present time, he just did what the Elders told him to do--hea had no idea that the sisters were being sent to the future. In the future, he tried to stop them from helping Phoebe. It was purely the Elders who sent them forward and then brought them back. Um...when I say Leo interveneing, I mean him being the one to open the book to the future spell leading the sisters to go there. And if the future was false and created by the Elders then the sisters spell wouldnt have sent them there since the spell sends them to the future. Not some fake place. The Elders wouldnt have gone through all of that just to send them to a fake future when they could just knock them out and have them dream it. |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 26, 2008 15:05:18 GMT -5
And I personally think that they ARE headed for that future, espeically because I don't think Forever Charmed really happened...just Piper's delusion as she almost died. I don't fully understand what you mean there. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 27, 2008 2:17:39 GMT -5
She believes that the events of Season 8 are all just part of one continuous fantasy Piper is having as she and Phoebe burn on the pyre in the future. Burn, Piper, burn! Burn, Phoebe, burn!  To answer the original question, I don't mind that the writers went with Wyatt over Melinda. Piper and Leo having Wyatt, Chris, and Melinda (in that order) as children is fine by me.
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Post by micki98 on Sept 28, 2008 0:55:34 GMT -5
I preferred Melinda. I think that Piper and Leo fitted a little girl much better.
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 28, 2008 1:47:20 GMT -5
They still had a Melinda (albeit a different version of her) -- just not as their first-born.
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Post by ljones on Sept 29, 2008 11:19:30 GMT -5
It's certainly fine with me.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 29, 2008 14:03:59 GMT -5
The first time around watching Charmed (S4-6) I only caught little glimpses of Wyatt here and there so it never really bugged me because I never knew Piper was supposed to have a girl.
When I watched Charmed from the beginning on DVD, I felt cheated when Wyatt popped out and was a boy. The way its progression was made seemed a little too "we're just doing this to shock you" kind of made me mad and it really did hamper the "female empowerment" theme considering Wyatt is (as it's shown over and over) just as powerful if not more powerful than the Charmed Ones.
ALTHOUGH, I like the use "female empowerment" in quotes because the show doesn't really promote it (just like Buffy is faux-feminist and really a misogynistic portrayal of women having brain anneurysms, getting their heads chopped off, being thrown in jail and being shot). I say this: Prue is a feminist, Phoebe is a Sex and the City-ist, Piper is a mom-ist and Paige is an independent-ist.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 29, 2008 14:57:06 GMT -5
Buffy had a strong feminist sense to it. But it wasnt going to just let all the females live happy. The males got treated just as bad as the females did. Caleb got sliced in half from his privates, plenty of males decapatated, skinned, burned. Its far from faux or misogynistic.
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