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Post by erikamarie on Oct 21, 2009 3:34:37 GMT -5
I didn't make myself clear (sorry,English isn't my first or second language)
Of course Piper's daughter could have been born,I tought that the decision to not relinquish their powers and lead normal lives (Witch Way Now) increased the chances that Piper's baby'ld be born in the magic day where it was prophesied the magic child.
It'ld be very long odds to the Twice Blessed to be born if Piper was the Piper of Morality Bites,the Piper handy at using her magic for revenge.
In Witch Way Now the Angel lets figure out they weren't so sure the sisters 'ld be able to fulfill their destiny,I think They'ld not allow Piper to be the mother of a prophesied child in this case
Angel of Destiny: You three have accomplished something that few others ever dream of. By vanquishing the Source of all evil, you have fulfilled your shared destiny, much earlier than anticipated. Truth be told, some of us did think you'd never achieve it at all, but that's really beside the point. What's important is you have and because of that we're offering you a reward, a chance to chart a new destiny, one of your own design
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2009 8:06:19 GMT -5
I can see what you're trying to say, erikamarie, and I do believe you're right. In Kern's world, where having the Twice Blessed and protecting the Twice Blessed was the most important part of the sisters' destiny, much more than protecting innocents and second only to getting rid of the current Source of All Evil (since he obviously wasn't the last or there would be no evil that they would need to protect the Twice Blessed from), then they definitely wouldn't want the sisters we saw to be his mother or his aunts--The Elders somehow made sure that the child born in the original universe was not born on that magical day. They also probably made sure that she was a girl, so that if by chance she could do what her mother and aunts didn't--get rid of the Source rather than concentrate on herself--she could have the Twice Blessed.
Of course, this assumes that there was a prophecy where the child was much more powerful than the mother and aunts. Since we never heard of such a fanastic wonderful prophecy until Wyatt was born...
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Post by erikamarie on Oct 21, 2009 9:05:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Esmeralda, this was my though
I look less black than you with Charmed,I think the Angel was pleased with the sisters and he thought they'ld be the family fit for the prophesied child
We knew Melinda Warren's forecast about three sisters,but in magic world presumably there were many other forecasts.
In "the day the magic died"
Merrill: Centuries ago, I unearthed a quatrain from the tomb of a wise apothecary. "When three planets burn as one over a sky of dancing light, and magic will rest for a holy day to welcome a twice blessed child."
It'ld be the son of another witch or even a normal woman,it happened he was the son of a Charmed One
In Morality bites we don't know if there was a running power of Three,after all in the Book of Shadows there were personal gain spells may be they have their powers but were void of the Power of Three
Wyatt more powerfull than the sisters?
Maybe, in a different way,the child has incredible magic skills but he cannot have the Power of Three,mandatory to pronounce specific spells so he is no able to vanquish every kind of demon
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jan 25, 2010 3:03:34 GMT -5
to answer first post how do we know that wyatt and chris werent in that future that prue piper and phoebe went to dont forget that girl melinda looked eight or nine. So that would make chris and wyatt older just they ended up showing melinda Because Future Leo only mentioned "our daughter". If Wyatt and Chris were part of that future, then he would've said, "our children", since what happened would've affected them, too. The future was supposed to happen in 2009, so if they were part of it, Wyatt would be Melinda's twin and Chris a year younger. If Kern wanted to keep things consistent, Wyatt and Chris would not have been part of the sisters' future, just like they weren't part of this one. Prue dying should not affect how many kids Piper and Leo had or what gender they would be. The only thing that might have changed was her name. Wyatt should've been Prudence Melinda after Piper's dead sister and best friend, and Chris never born. The Butterfly Affect. Changing one part of the past affects the future no matter what it is. It alters the timeline and the path taken to get there. In the future where Prue was alive perhaps it was true that she would have a girl as her first born but everything changed when it was altered. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 25, 2010 13:23:28 GMT -5
All they did was get rid of the Source . . . with Cole's help. He was the one who gave them the idea on how to get rid of the Source. And the Source was nothing more than an upper-level demon that ruled many demonic realms and dimensions. Why make such a big deal about him?
I really hated the idea of the Source being the "ultimate evil" or the "personification of evil". That is just so third-grade. And because of his vanquish - at the cost of Cole being possessed against his will, and later killed without them trying to save him - Piper was given Wyatt as a gift? Some gift.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jan 26, 2010 1:47:53 GMT -5
After going back and reading some of the posts I think that the show would have been better if Melinda was born first. We'll keep the whitelighter thing since Paige has her abilities to make it fair. Then I think Wyatt should have been born second.
Or another option is that Wyatt and Melinda are twins and Chris is born second. He come to the future because Wyatt and Melinda are the Coveted Two (no one finds out until Chris comes to the future).
Their twin-bond makes them a PO2 which is very special because it wasn't for-seen by Melinda Warren. So, Chris comes back in time to warn TCO about Piper's twins and how special they are. However, Chris reveals himself and only stays for one episode.
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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2010 2:28:51 GMT -5
It should not have mattered. It should not have mattered whether Piper had sons or daughters. I blame Constance Burge for all of this. There was no need to portray men in such a negative light in order to portray feminine empowerment. It made no sense that only women had abilities in the family. What in the hell was wrong with having both male and female witches?
This is a problem I have with modern day feminism. It's not about women being equal to men. It seemed to be about women being superior to men. And that is something I cannot accept anymore than I can accept the idea of men being superior to women. I'm not into male domination . . . or male castration. Sometimes, it seems as if Hollywood is incapable to creating stories in which both male and female characters are on an equal level. Especially in shows like CHARMED and BUFFY.
I don't care if Piper ended up having sons, instead of daughters. I never thought that the gender of the Halliwells' children should have mattered in the first place. If it did, then it was nothing but a case of pure gender bigotry on the producers' parts - and I mean both Constance Burge and Brad Kern.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 2, 2010 16:31:28 GMT -5
I think the only reason people debate and think about it is because of Piper seeing her daughter in the future. It got everyone excited to see Piper have a girl and then Wyatt's character was created instead. However suggesting twins with identical powers suggest the equality of both genders and would prove Melinda's vision wrong or interpreted wrong.
I always thought it would be interesting to see Piper have twins and Phoebe's line to continue the PO3.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2010 11:59:51 GMT -5
from Something Wicca This Way Comes
Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters
Culminating:the power of Three is the culmination of the power of the Warren line so there will be no more power of Three even though it'll be born other three sisters, Phoebe's line cannot continue the Power of Three
Wyatt actually has nothing to do with the vision of Melinda Warren,his power comes from an astral configuration
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 5, 2010 11:22:02 GMT -5
from Something Wicca This Way Comes Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters Culminating:the power of Three is the culmination of the power of the Warren line so there will be no more power of Three even though it'll be born other three sisters, Phoebe's line cannot continue the Power of Three Wyatt actually has nothing to do with the vision of Melinda Warren,his power comes from an astral configuration So are you saying the P03 ends with the Halliwell sisters? |
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Post by ljones on Feb 7, 2010 0:57:36 GMT -5
Yep. It does.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 7, 2010 10:50:10 GMT -5
I always thought that it would continue through their children or whoever has three girls...
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 8, 2010 10:36:43 GMT -5
It is a unique event and so it's right otherwise it would not make sense to spend three hundred years of preparation to get to a such power
Wyatt is unique too, his possible children should be normal witches
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:11:18 GMT -5
While I was kind of into the "Charmed Sons" spinoff idea way back when, looking back now, I really wanted Piper to have daughters. One of the main reasons I got into Charmed in the first place was because of the strong female leads saving the day, and the idea that the Next Generation is male-led just rubs me the wrong way. Yes, I know that Paige had twin girls, and Phoebe had three girls, but do you really think that any of them are powerful and important on the same level as Wyatt and Chris? None of them even have canon names! (Yes, I know the comics gave them names, but the comics aren't canon.) It's painfully obvious who the ringleaders of the Next Generation are, and it ain't Ladybug or any of the other girls. Sure, you could argue that Phoebe's daughters are another set of Charmed Ones, but even if they were, the show already established the Twice-Blessed Witch as being a greater power. Why would anybody bother with the "inferior" Power of Three when Wyatt can vanquish entire armies with the blink of an eye?  If there's any reason I'm glad the "Charmed Sons" spinoff idea died, this is it. Between Supernatural, Teen Wolf, and Arrow, there's enough shows about magical dudes on the air right now. |
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Post by priscillahalliwell on Oct 19, 2014 12:57:44 GMT -5
I am a big fan of going with what they have set up in the first seasons. So because of that I would have to say Melinda. Although I actually don't care if the kids are a boy or a girl, it is because of what they stated in earlier seasons that I would have gone with Piper and Leo having a baby girl.
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Post by sky1 on Aug 21, 2022 1:28:35 GMT -5
Neither. There should have been no kids on the show. Unless they do one episode going into the future like they did in S2. Once you introduce the kids. The show changes. The whole dynamics are changed/gone. It's no longer about sisters who happen to be witches whose job is to protect/save innocents.
It's about them being moms whose job is to protect their kids first and everybody else later (which is not wrong in RL or in fictional). But Charmed is not about that.
That's why as I said it messes everything up. Especially when your kid is so OP he can K.O. The Charmed Ones. Most powerful witches to exist. Until the kid got there. Now he is the most powerful witch to ever exist. Which ruined the whole premise of the show.
So yeah imo. No kids on this show. Not even in the end. No fast forward in the future like they did in series finale.
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Post by sonja on Aug 21, 2022 7:00:17 GMT -5
Neither. There should have been no kids on the show. Unless they do one episode going into the future like they did in S2. Once you introduce the kids. The show changes. The whole dynamics are changed/gone. It's no longer about sisters who happen to be witches whose job is to protect/save innocents. It's about them being moms whose job is to protect their kids first and everybody else later (which is not wrong in RL or in fictional). But Charmed is not about that. That's why as I said it messes everything up. Especially when your kid is so OP he can K.O. The Charmed Ones. Most powerful witches to exist. Until the kid got there. Now he is the most powerful witch to ever exist. Which ruined the whole premise of the show.So yeah imo. No kids on this show. Not even in the end. No fast forward in the future like they did in series finale. I don't think that not having kids would be better, especially for Piper or Phoebe, who always wanted kids. But I think having them later in the show and not having them be overpowered magical beings and have the show revolve around them would've been much better. It's an interesting concept, seeing how the sisters navigate this new role of being a mother while still being the Charmed Ones and protectors of the innocent, but I'm currently rewatching season 6, and it feels like Piper's character was reduced just to that one role. At this point, the show is about Wyatt and Chris and Leo and it's getting so hard to keep watching. So if I had to keep everything the way it already is, I have to be biased and say that it would've been slightly more bearable if it was Melinda instead. At least it wouldn't feel so male-centric (which doesn't feel like Charmed to me). But still, I would've preferred her to be born towards the end of the series and to not be so OP. |
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Post by Elle Em on Aug 21, 2022 7:03:55 GMT -5
Neither. There should have been no kids on the show. Unless they do one episode going into the future like they did in S2. Once you introduce the kids. The show changes. The whole dynamics are changed/gone. It's no longer about sisters who happen to be witches whose job is to protect/save innocents. It's about them being moms whose job is to protect their kids first and everybody else later (which is not wrong in RL or in fictional). But Charmed is not about that. That's why as I said it messes everything up. Especially when your kid is so OP he can K.O. The Charmed Ones. Most powerful witches to exist. Until the kid got there. Now he is the most powerful witch to ever exist. Which ruined the whole premise of the show. So yeah imo. No kids on this show. Not even in the end. No fast forward in the future like they did in series finale. I agree. Introducing kids changed everything. I'd much prefer that if one or more characters wanted kids, it was implied they'd have them one day, but that we never saw it. I watch this show for an escape, and there's none of that if I'm watching them taking care of kids, even if the kids are in the background. |
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Aug 21, 2022 15:46:58 GMT -5
Neither. There should have been no kids on the show. Unless they do one episode going into the future like they did in S2. Once you introduce the kids. The show changes. The whole dynamics are changed/gone. It's no longer about sisters who happen to be witches whose job is to protect/save innocents. It's about them being moms whose job is to protect their kids first and everybody else later (which is not wrong in RL or in fictional). But Charmed is not about that. That's why as I said it messes everything up. Especially when your kid is so OP he can K.O. The Charmed Ones. Most powerful witches to exist. Until the kid got there. Now he is the most powerful witch to ever exist. Which ruined the whole premise of the show. So yeah imo. No kids on this show. Not even in the end. No fast forward in the future like they did in series finale. I agree. Introducing kids changed everything. I'd much prefer that if one or more characters wanted kids, it was implied they'd have them one day, but that we never saw it. I watch this show for an escape, and there's none of that if I'm watching them taking care of kids, even if the kids are in the background. Nope we didn't see that did we. The show had to influence the decision for Piper and Phoebe to want kids based on seeing they did in the future. Someone pointed out in another thread how introducing kids on a fantasy drama series has often killed a show. They're right. Especially when its the same theme they all have in common and it isn't just Charmed who did it with the special child, miracle child or in Charmed's case "Twice Blessed Child". In Charmed's case, it went against the lore before with The Charmed Ones being the most powerful witches to exist. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 21, 2022 17:36:58 GMT -5
I agree having, Wyatt and Chris did change the show's dynamics with the premise of the Charmed Ones being sisters who happened to be witches that protected innocents diminished over time somewhat but I also liked the new challenge having children brought watching Piper juggle work, being a mum and her Charmed duties as well.
Yes, Wyatt was too overpowered and shouldn't have been. Also, all those other kids shouldn't have appeared in the flash forward either. Both Wyatt and Chris should've had either one witch power each plus one white lighter power whatever that was or no white lighter powers at all and just one witch power then the sisters would've still been the most powerful magic users overall.
How Charmed shifted from being about protecting the innocent to concentrating on the boys somewhat I do lay down at the writers not balancing things out in terms of Wyatt and Chris being raised whilst protecting people still but then I do get Piper was a mum who was concerned about her kids also.
In a perfect world had things been written differently having Wyatt and Chris would not have reduced Piper's role as a Charmed One. They would've been extensions of her but not her sole purpose overall so she would've raised the boys when evil wasn't around but then left whenever an innocent needed saving and returned to them afterward once the job was done.
Both of them would've understood that growing up when told why mummy and auntie Phoebe and Paige left a lot because what they did was important of course.
As to whether Wyatt or Melinda should've existed in hindsight probably Melinda would've been the better option overall keeping the ownership on the sisters been the most powerful witches and the female Warren/Halliwell lineage continuing on though it was quite a nice surprise when she turned out to be a he obviously.
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