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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 2, 2008 12:55:00 GMT -5
That wouldve been a good storyline and it would fit with the charecters.
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Post by ljones on Oct 2, 2008 17:33:57 GMT -5
Are you speaking of the episode in which Leo interferred in Daisy's romance with that darklighter . . . and ended up endangering her by his actions?
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 2, 2008 22:19:54 GMT -5
Are you speaking of the episode in which Leo interferred in Daisy's romance with that darklighter . . . and ended up endangering her by his actions? *scratches head* Did we watch the same episode? I have it on DVD and have watched it a lot and sure don't remember any of that! |
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Post by ljones on Oct 4, 2008 3:29:56 GMT -5
Alex and Daisy were having a nice romance, when Leo popped into their lives and told Daisy about Alex's true identity. Although Alex had originally intended to kill Daisy, he fell in love with her and decided to romance her, instead. When Leo interferred, Daisy quickly rejected Alex and he became obssessed over her.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 4, 2008 21:19:08 GMT -5
Alex and Daisy were having a nice romance, when Leo popped into their lives and told Daisy about Alex's true identity. Although Alex had originally intended to kill Daisy, he fell in love with her and decided to romance her, instead. When Leo interferred, Daisy quickly rejected Alex and he became obssessed over her. Which would've also happened when Daisy eventually found out his true identity...check out what happened with Phoebe and Cole. Just like them, Phoebe fell in love with Cole the mortal and when she found out who he really was first tried to change him and then ended up turning evil for him. My guess is that unlike Cole, Alex would *not* have tried to go good for Daisy; he would've tried to turn her evil, and he probably would've succeeded if she never found out what he truly was. That also would've caused Daisy to no longer have a chance to become a whitelighter, since that was back when becoming a whitelighter was something you EARNED, not something you were simply born into. Leo did the right thing by his charge by letting her know the truth. |
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Post by ljones on Oct 5, 2008 0:53:14 GMT -5
Phoebe tried to change Cole into some goody-two shoes . . . something which she, her sisters and Leo proved that they were NOT. Phoebe wanted an ideal man. Which is why she wounded up as an immature b*tch.
Cole has evil in him? Nearly all of the main characters did . . . including the Halliwells. Have you forgotten?
You're not one of those types who think love is about perfection and ultimate goodness are you? I think the show was trying to give that message and failed on all counts. Which is why CHARMED became an industry joke in Hollywood.
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 9, 2008 14:02:32 GMT -5
When did anyone say that Melinda Warren foresaw the male Warrens "not having powers"?
All we have to go by is Grams asserting, in "Necromancing the Stone," that no male witches had been born into the Warren line. Given that Grams probably assumed only female Warrens could gain powers, she's not the most unbiased source.
When was it proven that Wyatt is more powerful than the Power of Three?
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 10, 2008 7:45:08 GMT -5
When did anyone say that Melinda Warren foresaw the male Warrens "not having powers"? All we have to go by is Grams asserting, in "Necromancing the Stone," that no male witches had been born into the Warren line. Given that Grams probably assumed only female Warrens could gain powers, she's not the most unbiased source. No, we have Melinda Warren's words...her premonition at the end of "The Witch is Back" when she saw a long line of strong, beautiful DAUGHTERS! If her earlier premonitions (when she was alive) had been of both genders, she would've wondered why she didn't see any sons. It's because she hadn't. She had foreseen that her line would *just* be DAUGHTERS! That's what made *ME* think the only witches in the Warren line would be female and why I was so upset when Wyatt was born, after it had been proven that he was a witch while Piper was carrying him. As just a whitelighter, sure. But as a witch? No, that's why he should've been Melinda, and Chris should've either been pure-whitelighter or Christina. Ditto for Matthew, the grandson at the end. Leo should've been talking to his granddaughter, Prue. I truly think that once Prue died, we stepped into an alternate universe that had absolutely nothing to do with the previous one--only the names of the people hadn't changed. |
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Post by ljones on Oct 12, 2008 0:34:35 GMT -5
So what? Not all premonitions prove to be right. Even Phoebe has pointed this out. And when Melinda Warren made that prediction . . . Prue was still alive. Prue was dead by the time Piper had her children. And why should the gender of her children be so important? What is wrong having a witch in the family who is a male? Isn't Wicca supposed to be about the balance between male and female?
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 12, 2008 1:39:51 GMT -5
How do we know that Melinda's premonition wasn't of a special gathering among just the female offspring (sisters and female cousins, to one another) of the Charmed Ones' descendants?
Perhaps the girls in Melinda's premonition were having a girls-only interfamily gathering, and they had to use their powers to fend off demons? They never showed us Melinda's premonition on-screen...so just because she happened to catch a glimpse of the future that only involved female Warren family members doesn't mean that male witches were precluded from being born into their family. Maybe the young Warren boys (who descended from the Charmed Ones) had their own "guys-only" magical gatherings.
Honestly, Esmeralda, we all realize how heartbroken you are that you didn't get your precious Prudence Melinda Halliwell (as Piper's daughter) or your Wyatt-and-Chris-only Charmed Sons spinoff. But you can't reinvent canon just because it isn't what you personally would have done, if you were the showrunner or network executive.
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Post by Reality Bites on Oct 12, 2008 1:52:03 GMT -5
Melinda said she saw "many more generations of my beautiful daughters"... I would interpret that of her seeing a few more lines of witches that were strictly female. My guess, however, is that she foresaw a line of female Warrens that would carry specifically through Phoebe. After all, Phoebe is the sister to have all girls. Maybe it is through her, that the Warren line continues to beget only females.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 13, 2008 12:26:37 GMT -5
Could be. In which case the Power of Three would continue through them.
Personally I think Kern got lucky in choosing Phoebe to have three daughters...
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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 13, 2008 16:31:23 GMT -5
The power of 3 isnt a Halliwell thing, it was a Prue/Piper/Phoebe/Paige thing. Besides Wyatt, TCO children and future grandchildren etc...should be reverting back to your average witch. Sure there could be a prophecy about 3 of them in the family to become Charmed but it could also pass on to another family lineage.
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 16, 2008 12:40:41 GMT -5
Also, if she only saw female witches in her premonition, then how did she know for sure that they were all from the Warren line? Maybe she saw a combination of younger and older Warren descendants forming a coven with other witches of varying ages who weren't part of the Warren family?
And just because Phoebe has only daughters doesn't mean her daughters won't have sons of their own (making them Phoebe's grandchildren). There can never be another set of Charmed Ones or the Power of Three, so I don't see why everyone is trying to push this "all girls" dreck based on the ravings of a bitter old woman (Grams) and an off-screen premonition that we never got to see for ourselves that was described by a woman (Melinda) from the Seventeenth Century.
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Post by Reality Bites on Oct 16, 2008 17:59:39 GMT -5
Also, if she only saw female witches in her premonition, then how did she know for sure that they were all from the Warren line? Maybe she saw a combination of younger and older Warren descendants forming a coven with other witches of varying ages who weren't part of the Warren family? And just because Phoebe has only daughters doesn't mean her daughters won't have sons of their own (making them Phoebe's grandchildren). There can never be another set of Charmed Ones or the Power of Three, so I don't see why everyone is trying to push this "all girls" dreck based on the ravings of a bitter old woman (Grams) and an off-screen premonition that we never got to see for ourselves that was described by a woman (Melinda) from the Seventeenth Century. You're projecting way too much, at least on the comment from me that you quoted. I never made any claims...I only stated my interpretation and made a guess or two. I did not claim there will be another Power of Three, Esmeralda claimed, " the Power of Three would continue through them", in which case I believe she was referring to Phoebe's three daughters. I can't say for certain whether another Power of Three could come about. There was supposed to be one Power of Three, but instead the show depicted two separate versions of the Power of Three. So, saying a third is impossible is a statment that has its own fallacies. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 19, 2008 3:16:44 GMT -5
I was disagreeing with the general sentiments expressed by several people.
And I disagree with her on that, too.
It was technically the same Power of Three, with one blood sister replacing another. Esmeralda was suggesting a version of the Power of Three entirely comprised of three completely new individuals.
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Post by Reality Bites on Oct 19, 2008 5:42:27 GMT -5
I was disagreeing with the general sentiments expressed by several people. Based off a quote from me, who didn't express any of those sentiments? That the last time I play devil's advocate! (Not really...) Also, I remember several characters referring to the addition of Paige as the "new" Power of Three. Then again, maybe it's all splitting hairs. The Charmed Ones are the Charmed Ones to anyone outside the Halliwell circle, whether Prue or Paige was the telekinetic sister at the time. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 19, 2008 19:13:15 GMT -5
Well, Paige being added to the mix would be a "reconstitution" of the Power of Three...technically, the third incarnation of it, since Prue, Piper, and Phoebe would have been originally made Charmed when Phoebe was born, right before Grams and Patty bound their powers.
From Piper's and Phoebe's perspectives, Paige being added as a replacement for Prue was a "new" Power of Three, because they'd been so accustomed to sharing not only their Charmed status, but also their sisterhood, with Prue.
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Post by Charmedfan on Dec 8, 2008 18:31:02 GMT -5
to answer first post
how do we know that wyatt and chris werent in that future that prue piper and phoebe went to dont forget that girl melinda looked eight or nine. So that would make chris and wyatt older just they ended up showing melinda
dont forget to prue isnt alive in that future and phoebe doesnt get burnt at the stake. so things do change in the future
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 1, 2009 14:11:47 GMT -5
to answer first post how do we know that wyatt and chris werent in that future that prue piper and phoebe went to dont forget that girl melinda looked eight or nine. So that would make chris and wyatt older just they ended up showing melinda Because Future Leo only mentioned "our daughter". If Wyatt and Chris were part of that future, then he would've said, "our children", since what happened would've affected them, too. The future was supposed to happen in 2009, so if they were part of it, Wyatt would be Melinda's twin and Chris a year younger. If Kern wanted to keep things consistent, Wyatt and Chris would not have been part of the sisters' future, just like they weren't part of this one. Prue dying should not affect how many kids Piper and Leo had or what gender they would be. The only thing that might have changed was her name. Wyatt should've been Prudence Melinda after Piper's dead sister and best friend, and Chris never born. |
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