Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 17, 2009 14:50:08 GMT -5
And who says you need originality?? ESPECIALLY with something that important, something that helped make a fantasy seem more real. That's exactly my point. If they'd concentrated on the idea of a new sister learning how to become a Charmed One (or better; if she was a true Wiccan who already *KNEW* she was a witch and how to properly do spells and potions long before she knew she had powers), it would've been SOOO much more interesting and it would've remained a show about three sisters who happen to be witches rather than three demon-slayers living in the same Manor.
And Kern make Paige a carbon copy of Prue? Oh, please tell me you were kidding me when you said that, Astral Echo! With Kern's reaction towards Shannen??? NO WAY! He was too busy making Paige a carbon copy of Phoebs (note: PHOEBS, not Freebie/PhoeMe as Phoebs was turned into)!
Paige would've still been a carbon copy of Phoebs except she would've had Prue's power rather than a screwed-up, mixed-up version of her power that totally screwed up the rest of the series as mixed-up powers became more important than characters, as proven by everyone thinking that Paige's kids would be less powerful than her cousins when they would also be witchlighters!
Paige being a carbon copy of Phoebs with Prue's powers still makes much more sense (and is more consistent) than what they did.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 17, 2009 18:09:57 GMT -5
*Low whistle* Whoa! That's some discussion you guys are having.
I'm with Es on they should have stuck with the mythology set up in season one (while and anything that was established later on, but stuck with the first way they claimed something was).
I'm with whoever said that a slight change in the time of conception caused by something that was a result of Prue's death, could easily have been why there was Wyatt instead of Melinda. Makes me laugh to think what would have happened in Chris got his wish in "I Dream of Phoebe" and Piper and Leo actually had sex there. I'm thinking Chris would have wiped out his own existance right there.
I'm with Es on the idea that since we got Wyatt, he shouldn't have had powers, or at the very least he shouldn't have had whitelighter powers, which I know is not what she said.
I'm with whoever said that Prue may not have known what she was talking about when she said only her daughters would have powers. Emphasis on may. This is Prue. She probably did either from the Book or some other source. It's either that or she had a good reason to guess that . . . like no males in previous generations had powers. In which case neither Wyatt or Chris should have had powers.
I'm with Es in that Paige logically shouldn't have had whitelighter powers . . . she wasn't dead.
I'm not going to comment on the idea that Paige (or any child between Piper and Leo) shouldn't exist because of a dead dad, because I don't know.
I'm also with Es on the idea that Kern would not have tried to turn Paige into Prue even if Paige did have the same powers, and she didn't have to have the same powers, just the same Charmed power, telekinesis. So she didn't have to have astral projection. She could have developed her powers in a different direction, telepathy maybe. Anyway, I agree that Kern wouldn't have turned Paige into Prue's carbon copy. He tried to erase all evidence of Prue's existance. The last thing he wanted was her carbon copy running around with a different actress and a different name.
Oh. And on the actual topic of this thread of this thread. I would have prefered Melinda. I liked that little girl from "Morality Bites" even if she was only on screen a very short time.
However, I can see either one working with the mythology, so long as they stuck to the mythology . . . which they didn't.
And I do like Wyatt, or I like playing with him in stories. I like playing with Melinda, too, "Morality Bites"'s Melinda.
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Post by ljones on Mar 18, 2009 12:48:05 GMT -5
Why? The mythology that only female Warren descendants can only be witches does not make any sense to me. It was never backed by any proof when Prue made this assumption. And it reeked of sexism to me.
And the future seen in "Morality Bites" was changed in two ways:
1) The sisters refrained from using magic on Nathaniel Pratt and his dog at the end of the episode.
2) Prue died eight years before the future shown in "Morality Bites"
Who knows how the future was affected by these changes?
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 19, 2009 18:55:24 GMT -5
Why? The mythology that only female Warren descendants can only be witches does not make any sense to me. It was never backed by any proof when Prue made this assumption. And it reeked of sexism to me. Why? Because I wasn't just talking about that. I was talking about all the mythology set up in season one. And, I neglected to put in this thread (put it somewhere else recently, so I forgot), but I agree that Prue may not have known what she was talking about. Frankly, to me that isn't part of the mythology, only the guessing. She may have had something to back it up. She may not have. However, if she did have something to back it up and it stated on the show (which it didn't) it would have been part of the mythology and they should have stuck to it. My point there, however, is that anything that was established as the mythology, should have been kept as it was there, and they didn't, which annoys me. As to only Warren females having which powers being sexist. Of course it is. Don't you know some of the most sexist people out there these days are the feminist. Yes, I believe I am of equal value to men, and I thank some of them for making that easier, but no, I do not believe I am superior to men and no I don't think it's right to try to make us men's clones. We aren't men . . . well, those of us who are women and girls anyway. However, even if Prue was right and only Warren females had powers, that didn't mean that men couldn't be witches with powers, even on Charmed. Max Franklyn was a male witch and he was in the first season of Charmed. |
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Post by ljones on Mar 30, 2009 13:34:31 GMT -5
But this was never really established on the show. It was an assumption that Prue had made without any research on her part.
And that was the problem with a lot of so-called rules and theories on magic in the series. The Halliwells tend to make assumptions about magic without going through any trouble to prove it.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 30, 2009 15:31:42 GMT -5
sounds like real life. A lot of people do it. Main problem is that some fans take their words for fact when the sisters make assumptions.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 31, 2009 7:59:41 GMT -5
The major person I trust isn't Prue making assumption but Melinda Warren. She knew her powers were for women. That's all she talked about during "The Witch is Back". Had she seen men using her powers during her premonitions, she would've said so and she never did. When she touched Phoebe's heart and saw a long line of strong, beautiful daughters, had her powers been meant for men, too, then she would've either said so or would've been surprised not to see any men. It's why I believe that the legacy of Charmed (not necessarily new Charmed Ones, but their legacy) will follow through her line, not Piper or Paige's. If they wanted it to follow through Piper's, Wyatt should've been Prudence Melinda.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 31, 2009 13:15:00 GMT -5
How did Melinda know her powers were only for women? The problem with seeing the future is that the future can change.
When Melinda saw a generation of beautiful daughters, for me it said that there wouldnt be any males born into the family (since well at that point there most likely wasnt) but when Prue died (this is my own theory ofcourse) it threw destiny for a whack and Piper had boys instead of girls thus Melindas vision way back when is to a point, invalid.
Its just like Phoebe visions, she saw lots of things happen and those events changed. Phoebe saw herself dieing in 2009 and most likely she hasnt died. Why? Because they did something to change the events of the future that drastically.
Melinda cant control how her powers are passed on to her future family members.
Had there been multiple males born into the Warren line before Wyatt and none of them had powers, then they could say that only females recieve melindas powers in the Warren family. But as far as we know there was only one male before Wyatt born (Grams' invisible brother) and ofcourse they also had a mortal father (as far as we know) so one guy not recieving powers doesnt warrant a possible fact that males dont inherit powers in the Warren family.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 31, 2009 15:57:23 GMT -5
Through her premonitions. That was her main power--to see what would become of her line, the reason she was able to make her prophecy. And her line was of women. Not men. Not until Kernus Braddus, The Demon of Inconsistency, got a hold of her descendants and threw them into an alternate universe that actually let others be more powerful than "the most powerful witches ever", ones named Wyatt and Billie and Christy and...
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 31, 2009 19:45:05 GMT -5
But this was never really established on the show. It was an assumption that Prue had made without any research on her part. And that was the problem with a lot of so-called rules and theories on magic in the series. The Halliwells tend to make assumptions about magic without going through any trouble to prove it. Once more, while this thread is about Melinda versus Wyatt, that line there was not. It was about the ENTIRE show and how so very many things that were FIRMLY established were not followed. That the Warren line would only be females was not firmly established, but many things were and that was what that particular line meant. Reread what I wrote, because you are taking it out of context. I tried to explain what I meant after the first time you did that and you apparently just picked what you wanted or else you totally misunderstood me. If it was my fault that you misunderstood what I said, then I appologize, but that line meant anything that was firmly established such as personal gain having consequences. |
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Post by K. Aabye on May 4, 2009 2:41:40 GMT -5
In my opinion, both kids should be born.. They're both great to watch on the show.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 4, 2009 12:26:25 GMT -5
So Prudence Melinda takes Wyatt's place and Wyatt takes Chris' place??
Sounds VERY good to me!
As long as NEITHER is the Twice-Blessed Child and both are pure witch because Leo can't pass down powers that were GIVEN to him by the Elders, not ones that were inherited by him. That would be perfect! Of course, this would also mean that Paige doesn't have any whitelighter powers, just witch powers and the Elders can't turn her into a whitelighter while she's still alive. Even MORE perfect!
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Post by Piper Halliwell on May 5, 2009 13:16:25 GMT -5
my opinion is that melinda should have been born i know that in the future episode it was in different circumstances but i just think it should've been melinda but i do like the whole letting them both be born thing and i totally agree with Es on the twice blessed matter it was stupid  |
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Post by whitelightertony on May 10, 2009 6:15:46 GMT -5
To be fair, the spirit of Melinda Warren from "The Witch is Back" hadn't lived past the Seventeenth Century -- so prior to her death, perhaps there were only girls born into the family (and any boys born into the family had died at an early age). So Melinda could have been making a faulty assumption (with all of her female-centric talk) since she missed out on witnessing centuries worth of offspring firsthand.
We don't know how many premonitions Melinda Warren saw of her future descendants during her lifetime, if any; the one she saw at the end of "The Witch is Back" may have been her only premonition where she specifically got to glimpse her several-times-great grandchildren.
When she put her hand on Phoebe's heart, Melinda may have glimpsed an all-female Warren gathering in the future, where the male witches in the family weren't present.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 14, 2009 12:09:02 GMT -5
And much more likely, she didn't, or she would've said something about the fact that there were no males present. She was happy that the future would continue to be the way she had seen in her own premonitions--all females.
As soon as Wyatt was born and he was the Twice Blessed Child with a prophecy that no one had ever heard about up to that point when EVERYONE knew about The Charmed Ones, we know that we were now part of an alternate universe that had nothing to do with the previous one.
Fans who like Wyatt and Chris love that alternate universe and are glad the first-born was Wyatt. Those who love consistency don't no matter if they actually liked the original universe or not wish that it was Prudence Melinda. But that's the fun of shows like this...different people can like different things. Doesn't make either group right or wrong...just different.
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Post by ljones on May 17, 2009 19:58:59 GMT -5
The Elders manipulated Paige into accepting whitelighter duties. They didn't turn her into a whitelighter against her will.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 17, 2009 21:46:50 GMT -5
But they should not have been able to "jingle" her until she was dead.
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Post by ljones on May 19, 2009 0:49:48 GMT -5
But they should not have been able to "jingle" her until she was dead. They shouldn't have "jingled" her period. I hated the idea of Paige becoming a whitelighter. I also hated that she was manipulated into assuming whitelighter duties. But then, I've always disliked the whitelighters and the idea of witches having guardian angels straight out of Judeo-Christianity mythos. |
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Post by erikamarie on Oct 20, 2009 3:42:20 GMT -5
Melinda was born in the original future, where the sisters were become different persons, Prue a rich career woman, Piper a divorced mom, Phoebe a murderer. The future changed Prue died Melinda was erased, in fact, if Piper had had a daughter her name would be Prudence, Melinda only as middle name
Wyatt was a gift from the Angel of Destiny,they decided to remain the CO so it was possible to let that Wyatt was born in the magic day,as the prophesied child
It's powers don't arise from his parents -Paige and Chris are half witch half whitelighter so they have a power and the ability to orb,nothing more-but from the magic day foretold by three signs, aurora borealis, the planetary alignment, (" Jupiter, Mars and Saturn are all in Gemini. That only happens once every three hundred years") the wiccan Sabbath
Wyatt is the son of the magic, I liked that line,little Wyatt using his magic as a child was adorable
He has powers,he is able to tk as his aunts,he is able to orb as his father he has Piper's blow up power but mainly he used magic,to put his parents in the dolls house,to give life to his toys,to excange his parents soul,to create a dragon and a demon,I love little Wyatt as a magic child not as a superpowerful demon killer or witches killer as in many fanfic
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Post by dylan345 on Oct 20, 2009 10:37:57 GMT -5
Melinda was born in the original future, where the sisters were become different persons, Prue a rich career woman, Piper a divorced mom, Phoebe a murderer. The future changed Prue died Melinda was erased, in fact, if Piper had had a daughter her name would be Prudence, Melinda only as middle name I believe that Piper's daughter, whatever her name turns out to be, could have been born without all that happened in Morality Bites. There are numerous ways life could have turned out. Piper's daughter could have been born, and the sisters could be none of the things we saw in Morality Bites, or only one of them could be like that. I don't think it's so simple as to say that there is only one way. |
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