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Post by erikamarie on Dec 16, 2015 16:40:40 GMT -5
The Angel Of Destiny made it clear that, had they given up their powers, they would have been left alone by both sides. Piper had the chance for a normal life, but she said no. It's all on her from that point on. Considering the rubbish we got in the later seasons, too bad the show didn't end with Witch Way Now. The final defeat of the Source at the end of S4 effectively ended the show anyway. Piper didn't receive the offer because her sisters settled on rejecting it,so she'ld have the responsibility of breaking the Power of Three as well she'ld not even protect her sisters still witches Maybe Piper'ld have preferred a normal life but sh'ld never be able to live this life if Phoebe and Paige chose to remain witches |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 16, 2015 16:25:57 GMT -5
It'ld be more logical that Coop has enchanted Phoebe using his ring rather than Phoebe fell in love with him
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 16, 2015 16:18:26 GMT -5
Sometimes it takes time toexpress an opinion, other times an actor can be appreciated right away
I didn't like the first Victor, he was too young, too dishy, a little deceitful,I thought he was a man you cannot trust
I liked the other Victor immediately, he looked the right dad, not too young or too elegant
It's a matter of feeling
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 15, 2015 10:57:22 GMT -5
I vote healing, I don't wish other powers for the sisters, Wyatt's are enough
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 15, 2015 10:53:54 GMT -5
If you think of the storylines they had and take out Paige, there really was enough for just the two of them - especially if you include both Leo and Cole throughout the entire series. Paige's storylines were especially just extras and unneeded - especially if, for example, all of her boyfriends were just more of Phoebe's. And without her orbing, Phoebe's premonitions remain important I don't like the idea of them getting a power boost - especially with Piper having the explosion power, they didn't need it. Trying to make it new and fresh was, of course, the reason why they did it, and by making it fresh it jumped the shark directly into an alternate universe. And it didn't make sense to introduce another sister - not when she was just a half. The Power of Three shouldn't have worked with her.That's where I disagree if I'm honest, I think they even made the point in the show, it was specifically the fact that she was related to them through their mother that meant she was a witch and did have the potential to replace a Charmed One. The fact that she was only half related to them didn't seem to matter in the show, because she was related to them through the right half. The prophecy Melinda Warren foretold about their being only three Charmed Ones I'm assuming is because she was told of them by her mother growing up, Paige was a secret at the time so clearly wouldn't have been factored into such a prophecy. When she met them in season one she touched Phoebe (I think?) and saw many more daughters, for all we know Paige was one of those, she just mistook her for someone else. There is great confusion about prophecy: nowhere is it written that the sisters should have a special destiny, eliminate the Source or put the leash on the Triad From Something Wicca This Way Comes Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They're good witches and I think we're those sisters.
Phoebe: We're the protectors of the innocent. We're known as the charmed ones
They are the most powerful witches, they are the protectors of the innocent, as every good witch: the decision to protect innocent or to figh demons will be their free choice They are not obliged to use their powers, they are not obliged to do anything When Melinda speaks of many beautiful daughters is because she is seeing her future descendants, not many Charmed Ones, but her lineage, over and over and she speaks of daughters, not of witches Prue would not have to die In Morality Bites her power was increased and dangerous as Piper's, the three sisters were destined to become powerful beyond the Power of Three,but this progress of powers concerns Prue, Piper, Phoebe, not Paige Paige'll learn to orb, will learn to heal, but her witch power'll always remain the same,because she in't part of the three sisters prophesied by Melinda, even if she'll be able to replace Prude within the Power of Three Prue's death is a great victory of the Source |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 14, 2015 18:22:33 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know what show you were watching, but Rex and Hannah were not "overly focused" on. In fact, they were criminally underdeveloped (it was only in there final two episodes that they got decent screen time). The only time R&H got any real development is when I took them under my wings. As for your ridiculous "Hannah trying to be a porn star" comment... I don't recall Hannah prancing about in skimpy outfits, her *ahem* assets visible for all to see. Of course, Hellish had not yet imposed her "costumes" on the show during R&H's oh so brief tenure on Charmed. You want to see a Charmed character trying to be a porn star, look no further than later seasons Phoebe Halliwell. Personal opinions, Tim! Rex takes on Prue to approach the sisters and steal their powers from them, it's a story that has to bring to a close in a few episodes or it'ld not make sense I thought that since the Sixties it was born the freedom to dress or undress as a woman wants, so I don't care how Hannna gets dressed but I also think, however, that she isn't a very interesting character, only a flat warlock...but a nice panther Rex physically resembles Dan, the classic cute big boy, rather smart,pretty sneaky: his character had a good role but I am not able to understand what kind of future he'ld have had |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 14, 2015 13:06:39 GMT -5
The concept of Utopia is very old and controversial, thinkers as Popper believed that the utopian / perfect society would end up being the opposite of the open society, that would be a totalitarian society
The Avatars's Utopia deletes the free will, believing that humanity can be happier if doesn't have to choose between good and evil on a daily basis
The Charmed Ones were not selfish, they were cheated, they believed to help the birth of a world without demons, as indeed the Whinchester brothers when they try to close the gates of Hell
Phoebe, in the vision induced by Kyra, feels a serenity that ascribe to a quiet life, not to a general anesthesia of the awareness
The world offered by the Avatars is a world determined by them, without conflicts, then without growth,a nightmare
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 4, 2015 1:56:44 GMT -5
None of them because I don't believe that a new Power of Three could be
More than tree hundred years because the dynasty Warren could generate powerful sisters and then this unique power becomes trivially hereditary, like the gene of red hair or the predisposition to high cholesterol?
I cannot accept it
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 4, 2015 1:46:57 GMT -5
Do you have your Roman numerals right? XXVIII would be the twenty-eighth century (X=10, V=5, and I=1 so 10+10+5+1+1+2=28., and we're only up to the 21st (XXI) or if you want to use the whole number, it's year MMXV (M=1000, so 1000+1000+10+5=2015). I think you mean XVIII, which would be the 18th century. Easier not to use Roman numerals. But all of that information is extremely interesting. Thanks to you and your sister for sharing.  This is what may happen writing in haste! |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 3, 2015 13:10:01 GMT -5
Sorry maybe I wasn't clear
Till the second half of XXVIII century, common women didn't use their husband last name in the Anglo-Saxon countries, in the Mediterranean countries never, in any age, common women have taken her husband's name unless it was their decision
Trust me, my sister in law teaches women's history at the University of Zurich
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 3, 2015 12:59:07 GMT -5
The Elders had big reason to feel guilty, but for their constant ignorance
The Triad? Unheard
Four men unleash hell, there are wars and aggression? Who knows who will be
Shax? So plale as killer but who knows from where he comes from
Angel of Destiny speaks of a mysterious threat? Go figure angels, we cannot know
Zankuo? It's your problem, girls we are busy
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 3, 2015 12:45:12 GMT -5
I don’t see many contrasts
You are right saying that Melinda shows more than 22 years but in the seventeenth century women and men grow old quickly, especially if they lived in rural communities: no moisturizers, no protection from the sun, nothing fluor and vitamin D in the early years of age .. .. I believe that when they were aware of that when they choose the actress for Melinda’s role
Choice that I liked, she had the right maternal appearance of an ancestor despite being young and pretty
Melinda last name: I hope not to bore you but I have to make a short history of surnames
In the Anglo-Saxon and northern Europe society in general the woman takes her husband's name ipso facto only from the Reastauration age
In my Swiss Canton, wife and husband had to have the same last name and they can choose which of the man and woman surname: my maternal grandfather, born Zimmerscholt, chose the simplest Klaisen of his wife, so my mom and my uncles are Klaisen, then the law changed and my parents held their last names
In Italy, instead, women have never, in any age, took her husband's surname, from the Roman Empire onwards
If you are following that ugly series on Borgia - full of historicist mistakes- you’ll see that Lucrezia never takes the surname of her husbands: she is Lucrezia Borgia Countess of Pesaro, not Lucrezia Sforza Countess of Pesaro, Lucrezia Borgia Duchess of Ferrara, not Lucrezia d'Este Duchess of Ferrara
Or the Duchess of Milan, platonically beloved by Leonardo da Vinci,she is always Beatrice D'Este, Duchess of Milan, not Beatrice Sforza
In France only among the nobility the woman took her husband's surname,for dynastic reasons
The bourgeoisie didn’t care, especially the women working in corporations, ad example the surname Boucher indicated the membership of the mighty Guild of Butchers, Lefèvre to that of blacksmiths
In 1600, in America there was probably a mixed regime, some women were taking their husband's name, others not, only towards the end of 1700 it will become an obligation
In addition, sexual mores in Europe in XXVII and XXVII century were very free, the French Revolution branded them as libertines and undertook a moralizing work
This long digression is to show that Anderson, if she has a minimum of historical studies, is not wrong: Melinda could have chosen to retain her last name even if she had a husband
And if Melinda wasn't married, maybe she lived in one or those comunity which didn't belong to the Puritan community and had morals less rigid
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 2, 2015 4:17:42 GMT -5
But you are right, their misson was to protect innocents, the Source imposed upon them dragging them to fight him If you think, like I do,that there are signs of other timelines, you'ld believe in a timeline where Leo saved Prue and Piper and..who knows? Oh, yes, that's what I definitely believe - that in Timeline Prime (the original and true Charmed timeline), Leo saved Prue and Piper, Paige doesn't exist, the sisters defeated the Source with no need to call on the Halliwell line - a Power of Three spell worked just fine - and because he was *truly* the Source of All Evil, there were no longer any demons to bother humans, so they went back to their original destiny of protecting innocents. Since when they vanquished the Source, *all* demons were vanquished, so Belthazor was, leaving Cole as just the lawyer who Phoebe loved. Even though they didn't live sappily ever after, they did live without having to spend their lives protecting the Twice Blessed Brat or constantly battling demons. Now warlocks...that's another story... As I often said, the sisters loved to protect inoocents and, of course (unless one has little brain as Billie) hated to fight demons as it was a sport After all, this is why they refuse Angel of Destiny's gift, they love being witches as it was at the beginning, people may like to help the others, this could not have to mean that they have to tie themselves to a warrior nature This is the reason I love so much this episode: just magic, nothing powers In this story,the solidarity between women is strength, the wisdom inherited from nature is power, the magic comes from knowledge and their determination to help The powers of the child who is born in the magic circle before midnight make her stronger than each of the three sisters, as the child born on the night of the three magic signs is mightier than his mother and his aunts, because magic is a gift of nature and cosmic forces But both Melinda and Wyatt never could be powerful as the Power of Three, the power of a bond between sisters,in the past this power doesn't exist yet, but their bond does and it arises when they create the magic circle: Piper helps the birth, Prue protects and Phobe, the sister without active powers,flys to attack laughing |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 2, 2015 2:23:49 GMT -5
There is no reason to believe that the Avatars have Tempus's power, their ability is manipulation of reality
Alpha: The spell will put everyone to sleep. But only for a few hours. Just long enough to erase the mindset of duality. Of good and evil.
Gamma: To allow the original design, that which every human being has imprinted in their hearts, to take hold.
Alpha: Utopia
They changed the humans, not the time and they needed a magic partnership
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 1, 2015 11:38:45 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Avatars could reset time. Start anew if wanted what Leo did unintentionally in S7, episode 9. Don't know the title of it but there it was done. And that's what all Avatars did when undoing Utopia. It was in the end like it never happened. I don't think they'ld be able to reset whatever time, they erased the false reality that they created Centennial Charmed Cole: Then that's why for now. Which means I assume, that I can use these powers to manipulate, say, time? Reality even? Avatar: Understand, Cole, these powers are not meant to be used for personal vendettas. They're meant to be used with others like us. To shape a future we control. The Avatars manipulate reality, not the time, in fact Cole isn't successful in making his world customised, only he and Phobe, but rushes in a timeline where the Source killed Paige before she'ld know her sisters, Piper is out of it and Phoebe doesn't love him more |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 1, 2015 11:15:47 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones were destined to become the most powerful witches ever and they did
No prophecy says that they had to destroy the power of the Source, the prophecies, that about the Charmed Ones as the one concerning Wyatt, speak only of power: who possesses the predestined power can accomplish marvelous deeds for the Good or,I steal the words to Obi Wan, falling under the influence of Evil or, simply, don't use it
It's no a duty, it's a choice and Destiny can only hope that they usee it for the Good
Angel of Destiny: You three have accomplished something that few others ever dream of. By vanquishing the Source of all evil, you have fulfilled your shared destiny, much earlier than anticipated. Truth be told, some of us did think you'd never achieve it at all
The sisters thought they'ld save the innocents without being watched by powerful and evil forces they know very few of the magic world
And when they were target by Tempus, Barbas, the Triad, the Source, when they lost Andy, and when Piper and Phoebe lost Prue, they changed, the Age of Innocence ended: it would be nice to live like in the beginning, they risked so much to save lives but then they'ld return to their home, to their life
The Source changed everything
Back to the topic
Sol reminded me that Penny often speaks amiss
In Warren lineage there were males and also siblings, the cousins of Pardon My Past were daughters of three siblings,as the three girls of Phoebe are always three normal sisters, not the new Charmed Ones
Maybe, every time in the family three girls were born, the parents wondered if they were finally the predestined sisters: as Deano said, as in the royal dinasty, the Charmed Ones were born and they were the peak of their dinasty
Wyatt, born in circumstance similar to those of the founder of the dynasty, is a new and different beginning, he is the son of the magic of an extraordinary night in which the Aurora Borealis shone on the night before the Wiccan Festival of Lights and Jupiter, Mars and Saturn were all in Gemini
Like her descendant, Melinda was born the night of Halloween in a magic circle, protected by the most powerful witches of all time and she too was a child prophesied and a powerful witch
At both ends of the Warren history, there are two children born in magical nights, Melinda opens and Wyatt closes the circle
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 1, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -5
We know that Melinda died in Salem but not when and how she got there Maybe Charlotte, to keep safe her daughter, moved to the East in the Shenandoah Valley, or in Pennsylvania It's not mandatory to have traveled the distance all at once People traveling, since the ancient times: the Romans sent ahead their armies teams of engineers who were building the roads - which still exist - but also in the Middle Ages there were the great pilgrimage routes, the Camino de Santiago, 800 km in the mountains, difficult even now - or Frangicena, from Canterbury to Rome through France and if you were still alive you'ld go on to Jerusalem I don't know your beautiful Canada - I'm planing an holiday,when I'll have enough days off -but my parents, when they where students,travelled between Alberta e British Columbia, I doubt it was easy for the settlers to occupy in those lands People move, I don't find strange that Melinda turned up to Salem I agree,we know just where Melinda was born and where she died, we know nothing of all the time in between At any time, people moved, I doubt that the long road between West Virginia and Massachusetts was longer and more difficult than that between Canterbury and Jerusalem or Venice and Beijing However, I am happy that somehow they landed in San Francisco, the city of the magic triangle I regret that, certainly because of the budget, San Francisco has not been a worthy backdrop to the story |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 30, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -5
All Halliwell's Eve is one of my favorite episodes
Personal note: the sisters are often badly dressed but ugly costumes like those they wore are hard to find
Piper's pink dress pink fairy ... thrilling
I was thinking that there are similarities between Melinda and Wyatt's birth: in both births, evil forces are waiting for the coming of a child prophesied as powerful
In both births, the mothers are held captive
In both births, the pure magic, devoid of power, saves the day
This in support of my theory that Wyatt's birth is the beginning of a new prophecy and a new dynasty of witches, the Warren girls have finished their path
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 30, 2015 16:08:04 GMT -5
Looks like they forgot what century they were writing about. People in Colonial America tended to stay more or less where they were, unless they were a rich bigwig. Melinda would have no means or reason to move to Salem (she didn't strike me as having lots of money, which such a move would require in those days). And, as Betty said, did they even consult a map and realize the distance involved? It's not like there was an Interstate system in those days. Remember that even sh!tty dirt roads were few and far between in the Colonial days, so just traveling from Virginia to Maryland was nightmarish, let alone traveling from Virginia to Massachusetts. Even nowadays that's a hellish drive, let alone in the late 1600s. Plus, again, why would someone from Virginia want to move to Massachusetts anyways? Most Virginians were Anglican and pro-royality, the diametric opposite of Massachusetts' Puritan culture. Charmed failed history forever.  Charlotte was kidnapped by Ruth Cobb, I doubt that Charlotte'ld live near a dangerous woman like her Maybe she had relatives in Salem and I cannot think thatpeople in the seventeenth century was so static Bad streets, I agree, but Alexander the Great, to name one, in 326 BC went to India, Niccolò and Matteo Polo went to China from Venice in 1260, ten years after, Marco Polo travelled for 16000 kilometre I don't think it was an impossible task |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 30, 2015 15:48:28 GMT -5
Buffy was a very groundbreaking show for the portrayal of women on TV. It subverted old-timey horror tropes about the blonde cheerleader always being the first to die, as well as smashed the Smurfette Principle to bits. Instead of a lone, weak Token Chick surrounded by strong men, we had a lone, weak Token Guy (Xander) surrounded by strong women (Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Tara, Faith, etc.). It also brought us one of the first mainstream, non-fetishistic portrayals of a lesbian relationship on TV (Willow/Tara), even if the execution was somewhat flawed (ie. Season 6). Much has been written about Buffy's impact in academia. Countless other shows, ranging from Charmed to Alias to Kim Possible to Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars, can all cite Buffy as an influence. The TV landscape of the 21st Century would look very different without Buffy. Yet, at the same time, Buffy also still holds up as rather fresh and modern, despite having ended 12 years ago. This is sadly because genre TV hasn't really progressed that much for women since 2003.None of this is true for Charmed. Very few shows can directly cite Charmed as an influence, and the few that could never really got off the ground and died quick deaths (ie. Eastwick, The Secret Circle, The Witches of East End). Charmed's impact on the larger TV landscape was actually rather small. The Witches of Eastwick is a book of a nice writer and it's from 1984 I never watched the series I'm not so fond of supernatural novels I watched Buffy without being particularly amazed The reason is a great cultural difference:in Spanish high schools the athletes haven't particular carefulness, the girl who skips to the edges of the stadium doesn't exist, (no girl'ld do it) and the girls who has relevance in school is those in politics or that belong to particular associations, environmentalist or cultural Here the feminism was born between 1931 and 1939, with the Civil War and the emergence of a collective consciousness, we grow in the myth of women as Dolores Ibarruri or Margarita Nelken, perhaps this is the reason because I have only seen in Buffy the umpteenth teenage heroine able to save the world while her mother thinks she's doing her homework in her room I also don't have a great passion for the teenagers who save the world from a chemistry lesson and a shopping with mom The figure of the cheerleader is unknown in my country -for luck! - so it's unlikely to have identification processes It's been ages since the cute girls have stopped being rescued: an example for all, in 1977 the Princess Leia saved the image of all the princesses, holding a laser gun |
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