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Post by erikamarie on Feb 8, 2016 15:59:49 GMT -5
I believe that the Avatars probably altered Cole's ideal world, developing a devastating situation for him, in order to Cole'ld voluntarily come back to his original reality and join them
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 8, 2016 15:37:29 GMT -5
Something Wicca This Way Goes
PIPER: Okay. Any ideas?
PHOEBE: Oh, I was hoping you'd have some.
PIPER: Me? Why me?
PHOEBE: Well, because you're the only one who still has any confidence around here.
PIPER: Yeah, well, that's just 'cause I'm a good actor.
PAIGE: Well, I hope you can fool the Book because unless we get our confidence back -- and fast -- it may not let us get it back. And if Zankou gets The Nexus first, there won't even be a point of trying.
It is one of my favorite dialogues,eye-opening about the dynamics between the three sisters: ironic and affectionate but also full of confidence in their older sister's experience
Piper'ld never have Prue's role, nevertheless she came up with her own way of being a leader, with doubts about herself but more sure after her pregnancy
Paige has never been treated as the baby of the family,only as a sister who has to learn how being a witch, but regrding personal relationships, she and Phoebe seem roommates
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 8, 2016 15:08:39 GMT -5
I am relieved it did not happen,instead
Prue's dominant behavior, developing the character, was destined to become too prevailing: the ironic and placatory Paige allowed a collegial handling of the Power of Three
I love season 4 and even if I like Prue better then Paige, I loved the trio Piper-Phoebe -Paige also
And if Charmed ended with the fourth season, I would have lost too many things that I love: Wyatt and the magic day of his birth, Phoebe turned into a genius, the three sisters without their senses, Crone and Zankou, Tyler and the baby manticore, Chris and that dark and fascinating meeting in the attic with his big brother, Drake and Henry, the Avatars (managed very badly but the idea of forces opposed to free will was original) and Christy, Bianca, the Phoenix and the Halliwell's fake death
I'ld go on for a long time to enumerate what I'ld have lost, because with all its faults, Charmed was always full of ideas and never repetitive and I realize even better now watching Supernatural's decline which repeats itself again and again
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 3, 2016 2:12:53 GMT -5
I prefer season 5 but I like season 5, not as seasons 1, 3 and 4, my favorites, there are still several episodes that I look gladly and The day The magic Died is one of my top episodes
After a season, the fourth, full of anxieties and dangers, the fifth is much lighter and if the magic comunity had been used with more discretion and the magical creatures to be introduced were chosen with more care, it would have been better
Chrone is an intriguing character who deserved more time, Sam and Eve had potential as recurring characters, the demons market was a good idea: all sparks treated like a child does with the toys, used and immediately abandoned
Also in the season 8 there are a dozen episodes that I appreciate and one of my top, Kill Bille vol 2, but it's especially the season of wasted good ideas, unfortunately because of the tight time they had to put up the show
It was good the idea of a period of hiding of the sisters: they could try new jobs, find - as in Run Piper Run - innocents to save without betraying their presence, live apart, face the problem of tutelage of Wyatt and Chris assuming that the Elders couldn't let a magic bomb as Wyatt in the care of Victor but this plot was used hastily
Classic and perfect the idea of the internal enemy, the friend that creeps into your life, steals your knowledge and then stabs you behind and Christy was really a good character, detached and puppeteer, also this was a story that would take more time and Christy needed a less dumb blonde sister
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 3, 2016 1:33:55 GMT -5
In the first few episodes of Season 4, Phoebe grew closer to Paige than Piper did. Were they trying to build a Prue/Piper relationship with Phoebe and Paige? The relationships between sisters develop over time Prue has Penny's strong temper and being the eldest exacerbates this characteristic because Penny gives her custody of her baby sisters Piper has Patty's sweet temper and being the middle sister exacerbates her patient ability to mediate between two very similar sisters Phoebe looks like Prue but her being the youngest, without liability to the other sisters, increased a tendency to rebellion which belongs also to Prue, see Just Harried Paige looks like Phoebe and Prue, has the independence of who grew up as an only child, the discipline of those who fought alcoholism and as Phoebe has the insecurities of those who lost parents soon Their is an equal relationship, often they bicker, interfere in the love affairs of the other and protect each other |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 3, 2016 1:15:22 GMT -5
A Prue/Phoebe switch would be more fun
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 29, 2016 8:42:27 GMT -5
I liked "that rubbish" from the beginning!
Later, seeing it again, I noticed the attention to the details, especially in clothing: the Manor well-lighted and so different in the furnitures, full of demons dressed in black, a completely different Seer, without the usual poncho, very pretty with her hair well coiffed, with an almost chic and low-necked mauve dress
A nice contrast with the abandoned P3 and dead as death were the Charmed Ones, the dark surrounding in which it appears Piper, the cemetery with Paige's tombstone
A big contrast also beetwen the image of the pregnant Piper joking with Phoebe and the Piper of the alternate reality, dressed in black leather, dark and destroyed by the pursuit of revenge, cold and indifferent, arrogant and aggressive, as if the sweet Piper, insecure and shy, was buried with Prue
And Phoebe, with sparkling gems, dressed in red, the color of passion now vanished, inadequate on a person who appears so emotionless to what surrounds her,indifferent to the changes in furnishing the house,to the presence of demons, to Cole, even to what she was, enough to light a cigarette
Apart from my fixations of scenes and colors as interior designer, I enjoyed the conditions that lead to the destruction of Cole, because is Cole himself to set it with his perseverance not to give up his dream
I believe that the basis of many different sensations about seasons 4 and 5 there is the view that we have about Cole: who is Cole?
A poor unaware victim ?
A romantic lover?
A misunderstood potential savior of the innocents?
A demon without qualms who deserved his end?
Maybe we should start from this thread
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 29, 2016 8:17:13 GMT -5
Freezing's power is an intriguing power, I fell in love with it since the scene with chef Moore
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 27, 2016 7:10:07 GMT -5
In Sleuthing With the Enemy Phoebe hasn't to bee loyal only to her sisters, but also to Cole, which killed the Triad also, not only but also, for their
I understand Phoebe's lie, she is in love, is confused by the discovery, she tries, without thinking, to take time, she has even to understand the depth of feeling that prevented her from killing Belthazor
I've said, my judgment is that Phoebe's characters evolution is very realistic: the magic gave a purpose to her reckless youth, devoid of goals and chaotic
The magic helped Phoebe to grow, gave her self-confidence, serenity get a hold of her future but the magic'll bring the greatest pains,the loss of Prue,of Cole, of her baby
In Witch way now, she is ready to abandon it, her thinking is very clear
Paige: You can't be serious, Phoebe, you of all people, you love being a witch.
Phoebe: I know I do, but I...
Paige: But what? What has changed?
Phoebe: Oh, I don't know, I became queen of the Underworld and nearly died carrying baby Lucifer. That's what changed, Paige.
Piper: Paige, it's just that we've been doing this a lot longer than you have, and I'm not trying to discount all the good that we've done or that we could do. But at the same time I'm not gonna minimise the costs. Paige, I can't get pregnant because of what we do.
Paige: You guys are only seeing the bad. What about all the wonder of being witches, the stuff you introduced me to in the first place. You're gonna let all that go?
Phoebe: Paige, it doesn't balance out anymore. And after everything that we've lost, it doesn't seem worth it
It's not true that Phoebe doesn't care of the innocents,she takes a break from magic, devoting herself to her job with the illusion of being still useful to someone and subsequent events, Gideon, the Avatars, could turn her away definitively if Drake didn't come in her life
IMO, Phoebe's breaking point from her past self is when she decides to marry Cole
She isn't sure, she hasn't doubt about their love, she is full of doubts of the future,of what their life'ld be but she accepts, almost driven by a sense of duty, after he lost his powers
It 'a choice for which she asks for help without receiving: Paige is freshly in her life, Piper knows the depth of her love and she is not dominated by Phoebe's fears,so for Piperld be difficult to understand: Prue'ld be perfect, she certainly would give her the right motivation for putting off without offending Cole
Other mistake, the final one, to be scared by the Seer: as Cole, she'd have to run to her sisters, ask for their help to save Cole, the baby and herself, suffered from poisoning
Again,she decides alone, Paige hates Cole, Piper is facing the news of her sterility:Phoebe believes, in good faith and with the same Cole's arrogance, she'ld manage even such a situation and try to do it, with bad results
Again, Prue'ld have been decisive, Piper is too fragile, yet, to have a leading role, Paige is almost a stranger
It's an important subplot of Charmed: every time the bond between the sisters is not working, disasters occur
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 27, 2016 2:10:40 GMT -5
There's another explanation as to why we don't see her with the boys - she might very well be dead by this point - the "we've had our share of sorrows" Piper mentions around the same time that we're seeing the three kids... Or she could just not have been close to her brothers at that point in time. Whose to say all those kids would have a bond, they could be off living anywhere, perhaps not even interested in witchcraft. I agree and this is the way I'ld see a future show, Charmed Ones's children are not necessarily witches, the dynasty Warren task the prophecy of the birth of powerful sisters Moreover, their mothers have had difficult lives and deaths, they often had the temptation to abandon the magic, maybe some of the children may be not many involved in magic, dream of different lives, more free and serene |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 27, 2016 2:01:28 GMT -5
Why do you love so much to repeat the same sentences endlessly?
I am among those who believe that Piper'ld speak of her daughter as well as the restaurant and who doen't like the idea of a younger sister for Wyatt and Chris
But so many fans, including those that have made in Europe Charmed the fifth most watched US series during the twenty years 1991-2011 (Huffington Post) loved the ending, they rejoiced at the idea of Halliwell family that grew larger, they were happy that Piper had the long-awaited daughter
We cannot confuse the mood of those who turn on a computer and talk to other fans with all those who night after night they turn on the TV to enjoy a show, we aren't the world
From my house - Lugano,Canton Ticino - I get Sky Italy and Charmed is always in response both on pay channels than on state channel,because it is gladly watched by those who know it and those who have not ever seen
In a nice interview with the Guardian, Gillian Flynn wrote that she, in Charmed, admired the ability to make real characters with supernatural powers because Prue Piper Phoebe Paige could be our best friend, the school friend admired, the colleague with whom to talk,the sister to play with,they aren'tt the usual spunky heroines
The sisters are not characters 50s, are modern, they have love, relationships, independence, frustration, strengths and weaknesses of the women of this century and make 3 children is not 50's, it's a free and valiant choise in the modern world
The focus group asked for consultation by the production suggested that an happy ending would be the more pleasing final for Charmed: nothing open end -my favorite - no dramas but the projection of an image of a domestic serenity, the classic "comeback home" as a reward for the hero
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 26, 2016 17:41:36 GMT -5
Phoebe's premonitions are generally linked to the innocents to save and from the fourth season the theme of the innocent almost disappears
The fourth season is mostly about the Source,apart from the Muses, the process in which Phoebe is a jury member and Tyler's story, the episodes are all focused on the demons and their attacks
Also in the fifth season, the stories regard the attacks on the sisters, apart from the mermaid, the nymphs, Lydia and Theresa
In the sixth season, the demonic world is quieter, but Chris devotes himself to envilen their lives.
The innocent who enter their lives are Richard Montana and Larry because of Paige's temp job, Derek by chance, while Phoebe's premonition is about the genius
After the third season, the scheme: Phoebe has a premonition, the CO try to save / help the innocent,a call for a toast at P3 in the night, disappears,the random history or the reaction due an attacks or a conspiracy, prevails
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 26, 2016 14:39:03 GMT -5
Again I must refer to Mortality Bites in which the mandate of the sisters is made clear: Protect the Innocent, not punish the guilty. By killing Cal Green, Phoebe had violated that mandate. At least when she realized what she had done, Phoebe was willing to own up to it, she told her sisters not to stop her execution for the crime. That was the lesson learned. The same applied to Rick. Yes, he was a criminal and a murderer, but that is totally irrelevant here. It's up to the State of California to decide his fate, not the Halliwell sisters. Phoebe had no more right to kill him than she did Cal Green. However, unlike the case of Cal Green, Phoebe was not willing to own up for what she (and Paige) had done here. They just said that there had been no other way. No other way. As I said, that's complete rubbish. Paige could have orbed the gun! There is no getting around that, I'm afraid. As P3Nathan pointed out in his review of this episode, Rick stood there blabbing for quite some time, Paige had more than enough time to use her powers to disarm him. So why didn't she? Had she accidentally orbed her brain into the next county? Now, if I had written the scene, it would have gone like this: Rick: Blah, blah, blah...
Paige: Holds out her hands. Gun!
The guns orbs out of Rick's hands and into Paige's.
Rick: What the??
Phoebe: Thanks, sis. A few martial arts moves and Rick is on the floor, out cold.
Paige: Right, you tie him up and I'll call Daryl. See, it was easy as pie. Killing Rick was not necessary. Instead the sisters violated their mandate. However, unlike the case of Cal Green, this time they got off scott free. I agree with you, I think that Morality Bites's lesson was the the sisters had to stay together if they wanted to grow as witches Phoebe refuses to flee not because she believes to deserve to be burned,she'ld be crazy if she thought this, but because Leo convinced her that it will stop the witch hunt However, many people may think many different things The Charmed Ones have certainly made mistakes in their eight years as witches, as is normal, if it has to be the story of three common sisters If it had been the story of three witches devoted night and day to the sacred mission,oure, perfect and ready to jump into the fire for the neighbor's cat, without friends, fiancè, children,short skirts or low-cut dresses, ready to give up their own life or take a bullet in order not to touch the sacred jailbird...I think maybe I'ld have watche for a half an hour and then I'ld have avoided the serie |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 25, 2016 15:35:08 GMT -5
I'ld remember that everyone is eligible for express their own opinions
Juls has a severe viewpoint of Cole and doesn't not tell lies remembering that as a mercenary killer Cole killed several innocent
The Charmes Ones didn't turn out to be ready to kill innocents
As the use of magic, the only rule should be "careful not to harm and to abuse of it", the magic is their gift and their prerogative, they are free to use it
Moreover, in no one episode I ever saw one of the sisters pretend to be a model of virtue or think that she never made mistakes
I don't mind, Cole is my favorite character after the sisters and Evil Wyatt, I like his human personality full of contradiction, for this reason I avoid to consider him a poor victim of Love or circumstances
If he really wanted to recover the happy days with Phoebe, without Paige and without Prue,he'ld have to go back to the time of his conversation with the Seer, tell her he needed time to think,go back to the sisters and discuss with them what to do
They'ld find a solution, together, Cole certainly knew how the powers of the Source worked and the risks he'ld take
But he didn't, he wanted to be a demon/man with powers like in the short period between Prue's death and Paige's coming, when he was Phoebe's love, support, teacher, brother in arms: magical days but even magic didn't have the the power to give them back to him
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 25, 2016 5:42:06 GMT -5
At the end of My Three Witches, Piper and Chris while are smiling appear remarkably similar
I cannot understand how it works, but during season 8 Paige and Phoebe looked like true sisters
Paige, that IMO during her first seasons wasn't nice, beautiful smile, beautiful skin but an ordinary face, changes from season 7, her facial features become refined, the eyes are no longer bulging, her mahogany brown hair revives the pale complexion: something, in her, reminds Phoebe
In season 8, Paige and Phoebe were truly beautiful
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 25, 2016 5:39:09 GMT -5
Paige called Patty "mom" because of in emotion of the moment, it is not common thing to see appear a deceased and unknown mother
Phoebe has never had memories of her mother,then the void of a growth without parents led to the rebellion against Penny, the only parental figure to whom rebel and partly against Prue, seen as an oppressive big sister
In addition, for a long time Phoebe'll fear of being abandoned,of being loved by no one
In Piper, the void left by her mother instead explodes during her pregnancy, when Piper empathizes with her son and fears a possible motherless growth
When Piper gets married, Prue perhaps realized how much of her life was conditioned by her having to be the big sister, the judicious vice-mom who has to take care of the yougers and rebels in the same provocative way of Phoebe'
The struggle of a growth without parents is one of the recurring themes of Charmed,it affects many of the behaviors of the sisters
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 25, 2016 5:13:03 GMT -5
I endure linked to the canon: if the maternal Piper forgot to mention her daughter, it means that this daughter doesn't exist; usually a baby sister ends up being a bimbo that her brothers have to save or an obnoxious know-it, wise and ready to flood of tips her daredevil brothers
It'ld be different if she was a little girl, a gift in Piper's maturity, at least 10 years younger than Chris, therefore irrelevant in her brothers's lives
It'ld be different if she was at Wyatt's age, Melinda sent from Mom Piper and Aunt Prue to a timeline where there is no witch hunt, a young witch grown in danger and with the dream to come back and change everythings
However, those who like the idea of Piper's little girl, has every right to believe it and to discuss it
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 22, 2016 2:26:01 GMT -5
That is juls’s opinion and like all opinions they are worthy of respect and peaceful source of debate, given that this is a forum, not the central committee of a party
I can understand that the romantics dreamed a happy ending for Cole and Phoebe but writers have chosen the path of realism and also of social reality because it’s no less than 30 years tha tthe myth of love at all costs, “I bear everything for love, I throw myself into the fire to save a marriage”, crumble
Starting from my experience(not from Supernatural that I follow indifferently because I love the brothers and Castiel aand Crowley but the plots are increasingly ridiculous) as far as I love my husband I doubt I could bear anything from him just to to save our marriage
While I'm sure I'd do anything to save our twins: biology against reason
I think it’s pointless to keep track about"who is more bad", it doesn’t make sense
Phoebe has always known of Cole’s past, she accepted it (Paige not, unlike Piper): when she refuses to kill him in Sleuthing With the Enemy she chooses to accept even Belthazor
But after the unwanted pregnancy, the traumatic death of their baby, the adventure on the side of evil, Phoebe is tired, she wants to recover a peaceful life, without Cole and she has the right, like all women who get fed up and say enough, even to men who are still loving
I agree with Sol that compared to the end of their relationship, mean nothing that Cole was or not possessed, or make a list of who is moreunderstandable and good: Phoebe is sick and tired, their love had a price too high that she no longer wants to pay
Piper however isn’t and will be not fed up with her Leo:in love relationship it's better don't think as a nitpicker
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 20, 2016 5:42:06 GMT -5
That's kind of harsh for a "Charmed" fan to say. I liked the episode, I just wished that Phoebe would've remembered that momentous moment and that it wasn't in an alternate reality. I hated that episode they could've done a better job. Phoebe's not gonna remember it since Cole thanks to the Avatar powers he gained altered reality. Although if you go on to Season 8 she sees for herself Cole's vanquish in that reality when Coop took her back to see some of her past loves The unbearable Cupids's ring'ld also be able to travel along different timelines, as in FC I hate that ring, it would be nice if someone settled to write a spell to cancel the powers of all those rings" I quite like the episode,even if there are some flaws I understand that Paige, not being entirely present, is dragged into Cole's reality, without suffering from the effects, less easy it's to understand why Cole's vanquish'ld bring Paige home If that was an alternate reality, it'ld have existed even without Cole If that was a world created around Cole, as Gith's world of desires,it was right itdisappeared with him but then, why Phoebe was not the Phoebe of his dreams? |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 20, 2016 5:16:11 GMT -5
As I told, five seasons are the best and love stories'ld not have solution during the various seasons, onlyat the end of the serie
I stopped to have a look at Bones when the protagonists got married, even an original character as Brennan has become prosaic with marriage and the scintillating Angela lost any role
I could say the same thing about Castle, which I followed for five seasons: time goes by, children grow and the funny relationship between an immature father and a wise daughter loses appeal once the daughter turns adult
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